Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

[transplantbillsfan]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Did you not watch the 2nd half of the season and Bengal game….where Diggs was neutralized by opposing defenses because no one else on the field scared them at all

 

10 points at home in the Divisional is a joke

 

Again I ask with a twist...

 

did you not watch the Bills this season?

 

If you took that Bengals game as a vacuum game and came up with Deandre Hopkins as the one thing that would get us a Lombardi then you didn't watch that game.

 

By the way (since maybe you need this explanation), you shouldn't take that Bengals game as the definition of the 2022 Bills.

[KDIGGZ]

Teams are just going to double Diggs and he is going to get frustrated and blow up on the sidelines. This is going to be a trainwreck if they don't have another option

[Warriorspikes51]

6 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Teams are just going to double Diggs and he is going to get frustrated and blow up on the sidelines. This is going to be a trainwreck if they don't have another option

if we’re lucky, Kincaid could be another legit option…but it’s too risky to expect that. Especially with the staff’s penchant for holding rookies off the field

 

Hopkins

Evans

Ayiuk

 

 

Jeudy (Broncos took Mims)

 

Broncos current WRs

Jerry Jeudy
Courtland Sutton
Tim Patrick
Marvin Mims
Marquez Callaway
Kendall Hinton
K.J. Hamler
Jalen Virgil
Brandon Johnson
Montrell Washington
Lil'Jordan Humphrey

 

someone who hasn’t even been discussed? 

Edited April 29, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Success]

3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Teams are just going to double Diggs and he is going to get frustrated and blow up on the sidelines. This is going to be a trainwreck if they don't have another option

 

We probably have one of the top 7-8 pass-catching groups in the league at this point.  We added 2 very solid guys in FA, including some real speed.  We got the best TE in the draft, who can fill in the slot and we can run 2 TE sets with. We'll also have a real running game for the 1st time in years.

 

Not seeing the scenario you describe above.

 

[KDIGGZ]

1 minute ago, Success said:

 

We probably have one of the top 7-8 pass-catching groups in the league at this point.  We added 2 very solid guys in FA, including some real speed.  We got the best TE in the draft, who can fill in the slot and we can run 2 TE sets with. We'll also have a real running game for the 1st time in years.

 

Not seeing the scenario you describe above.

And which of these guys is so good that they will draw the double team away from Diggs? The TE that gets open 5 yards down field? The backup WR's we signed in FA? We have Diggs and then just a bunch of guys unfortunately 

[Warriorspikes51]

5 minutes ago, Success said:

 

We probably have one of the top 7-8 pass-catching groups in the league at this point.  We added 2 very solid guys in FA, including some real speed.  We got the best TE in the draft, who can fill in the slot and we can run 2 TE sets with. We'll also have a real running game for the 1st time in years.

 

Not seeing the scenario you describe above.

 

the problem is that Davis has only been used to run 3-4 basic routes all game. Patrick Peterson openly explained that after we lost the Vikings game

[BADOLBILZ]

14 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Teams are just going to double Diggs and he is going to get frustrated and blow up on the sidelines. This is going to be a trainwreck if they don't have another option

 

 

I don't think the opposition defensive gameplan would be any different with Hopkins.   They would probably still have the double on Diggs and put CB1 on Hopkins.   He's just a little more equipped to still catch those contested passes than the ham-handed Davis as WR2.    What it would open up is opportunities for either Davis as boundary WR2(WR3 overall) with Diggs in slot.........or Kincaid/Harty in the slot(with Davis on bench).  

 

Knox probably gets less attention than ever either way.    Hopefully Kincaid stays healthy and starts earning playing time and then this draft pick helps Knox take his game to another level.   His issue, IMO, is when he internalizes.   That's where the drops come from.  He's never had any outside competition.  Competition shifts the focus from within and frees up players minds from self-destructive internalizing.    It's a big reason why coaches want competition.   

 

 

 

 

Edited April 29, 2023 by BADOLBILZ

[JerseyBills]

7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

if we’re lucky, Kincaid could be another legit option…but it’s too risky to expect that. Especially with the staff’s penchant for holding rookies off the field

 

Hopkins

Evans

Ayiuk

 

 

Jeudy (Broncos took Mims)

 

Broncos current WRs

Jerry Jeudy
Courtland Sutton
Tim Patrick
Marvin Mims
Marquez Callaway
Kendall Hinton
K.J. Hamler
Jalen Virgil
Brandon Johnson
Montrell Washington
Lil'Jordan Humphrey

 

someone who hasn’t even been discussed? 

They haven't held stud rookies off the field- Tre,Milano, Edmunds,Allen , Brown , Benford/Elam , Levi Wallace,  Oliver , Groot. 

 

One of the biggest myths on here. Some need some S&C and coaching coming in

 

2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

the problem is that Davis has only been used to run 3-4 basic routes all game. Patrick Peterson openly explained that after we lost the Vikings game

Hardy will take alot of heat off Davis

 

I love the strategy too, one is a small burner and one is a big brawler. Makes it tough for the CB to lock in on one style because they're so different physically and play wise! 

[Jerboski]

Can we fit him, Melvin and Deion jones?

[Warriorspikes51]

3 minutes ago, Jerboski said:

Can we fit him, Melvin and Deion jones?

if they really wanted to, but they wont

[gobills404]

27 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Teams are just going to double Diggs and he is going to get frustrated and blow up on the sidelines. This is going to be a trainwreck if they don't have another option

The quality of the other pass catchers has gotten better this offseason. Diggs isn’t gonna get doubled anymore than already has been.

[mrags]

Anyone that thinks that Hardy and the other guy we got (can’t even remember his name) are a sure thing to make a difference is delusional. 
 

sure, they might be better than what we had last year. They might also be as useless as Crowder on IR all year or McKenzie dropping balls and staying in bounds with 3 seconds left in field goal range. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, mrags said:

Anyone that thinks that Hardy and the other guy we got (can’t even remember his name) are a sure thing to make a difference is delusional. 
 

sure, they might be better than what we had last year. They might also be as useless as Crowder on IR all year or McKenzie dropping balls and staying in bounds with 3 seconds left in field goal range. 

Harty and Sherfield are upgrades from McKenzie and Crowder….if healthy.

 

Sherfield actually stole the WR3 job in Miami and is a solid player

 

Harty has shown elite analytics when given the chance/ if he can stay on the field

[mrags]

14 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Harty and Sherfield are upgrades from McKenzie and Crowder….if healthy.

 

Sherfield actually stole the WR3 job in Miami and is a solid player

 

Harty has shown elite analytics when given the chance/ if he can stay on the field

Their best years still aren’t as good as McKenzies. Just saying. Assuming they will be anything better than what we’ve had is not exactly a guarantee. 

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

I posted this in the draft thread when it was first tweeted, but here you go

 

 

 

I mean, more power to him for still having faith. But Arizona's GM said yesterday that he "doesn't foresee" moving Hopkins and flat out said today "DeAndre's a Cardinal and we're moving forward".

 

I don't think they have any intention on moving him. Based on their reported asking price before the past couple days, which was completely unrealistic, I don't think they ever did.

 

4 minutes ago, mrags said:

Their best years still aren’t as good as McKenzies. Just saying. Assuming they will be anything better than what we’ve had is not exactly a guarantee. 

 

Um, you may want to look at McKenzie's stats and Harty's - because that's just factually wrong.

Edited April 29, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[mrags]

9 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I mean, more power to him for still having faith. But Arizona's GM said yesterday that he "doesn't foresee" moving Hopkins and flat out said today "DeAndre's a Cardinal and we're moving forward".

 

I don't think they have any intention on moving him. Based on their reported asking price before the past couple days, which was completely unrealistic, I don't think they ever did.

 

 

Um, you may want to look at McKenzie's stats and Harty's - because that's just factually wrong.

Harry- 36 receptions, 570 yards, 3tds

 

McKenzie- 42 receptions, 423 yards, 4TDs

 

sorry, he exceeded him on receptions and TDs and came up short in yards. I’ll take 2 out of 3. 
 

not to mention Hartys 2’d best year he had 20 receptions for 186 yards and 1 TD. Whole McKEnzie has had 4 seasons better than Hartys 2nd best season. Along with a 5td season. 
 

if you really want to argue that your wrong. He’s not better. You might hope he becomes better. But right now he’s just not. He’s been in the league 2 years and the stats I just put up are all of it. The other 2 years he accomplished almost zip. 
 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

4 hours ago, mrags said:

Harry- 36 receptions, 570 yards, 3tds

 

McKenzie- 42 receptions, 423 yards, 4TDs

 

sorry, he exceeded him on receptions and TDs and came up short in yards. I’ll take 2 out of 3. 
 

not to mention Hartys 2’d best year he had 20 receptions for 186 yards and 1 TD. Whole McKEnzie has had 4 seasons better than Hartys 2nd best season. Along with a 5td season. 
 

if you really want to argue that your wrong. He’s not better. You might hope he becomes better. But right now he’s just not. He’s been in the league 2 years and the stats I just put up are all of it. The other 2 years he accomplished almost zip. 

 

 

He was mainly a Kick Returner the other seasons. In his one year of actual snaps, he got 147 more yards on 6 less receptions. Having more receptions for less yardage isn't a positive in McKenzie's favor. 

Edited April 29, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I mean, more power to him for still having faith. But Arizona's GM said yesterday that he "doesn't foresee" moving Hopkins and flat out said today "DeAndre's a Cardinal and we're moving forward".

 

I don't think they have any intention on moving him. Based on their reported asking price before the past couple days, which was completely unrealistic, I don't think they ever did.

I remember when the Bills had "no intention of trading Stevie Johnson."

[Chandler#81]

3 hours ago, mrags said:

Anyone that thinks that Hardy and the other guy we got (can’t even remember his name) are a sure thing to make a difference is delusional. 
 

sure, they might be better than what we had last year. They might also be as useless as Crowder on IR all year or McKenzie dropping balls and staying in bounds with 3 seconds left in field goal range. 

HA!🤣 You got that name wrong too! Well thought out post!😉👍

[mrags]

7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

He was mainly a Kick Returner the other seasons. In his one year of actual snaps, he got 147 more yards on 6 less receptions. Having more receptions for less yardage isn't a positive in McKenzie's favor. 

So now your argument is that he’s going to be effective as a kick returner? After we resigned Hines. Got ya.  And kick returning does nothing for the offense. Offensively, he’s just not better. He might end up being better. But right now McKenzie has 4 years with more receptions than him. McKenzie has 2 years with more TDs than he has combined for his career. 

4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

HA!🤣 You got that name wrong too! Well thought out post!😉👍

That’s how bad he is. People don’t even remember his name. 

[MasterStrategist]

9 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Did you not watch the 2nd half of the season and Bengal game….where Diggs was neutralized by opposing defenses because no one else on the field scared them at all

 

10 points at home in the Divisional is a joke

You don't think teams doubled Diggs, prior to Cincy game?  Cincy didn't double him all game either.  

 

I saw weakness areas, Cincy game and all season:

1. Slot/underneath reliable target

2. OG play

3. DT play, Cincy game only - footing and Daquan missing

4. Def playcalling - Cincy game mostly

 

Beane has addressed #1 and 2 above.  Clearly we have other potential areas of weakness (MLB) now, but think Coach calling defense is a huge upgrade.

 

Then you have all the cap $ issues, trying to get Dhop.

[SCBills]

Hopkins is getting traded or cut .. Who knows when, but I’d be shocked if he’s on that roster to start the season.  It makes zero sense for what Arizona is trying to do, and Hopkins will not play nice. 
 

With the Bills, Chiefs and Ravens as the main rumored suitors, here’s where they stand at WR:

 

Bills (5) likely rosterable WR’s

 

Diggs

Davis

Shakir

Harty

Sherfield

 

Chiefs (6) likely rosterable WR’s

 

MVS

Toney

Skyy

Rice

Watson

James

 

Ravens (6) likely rosterable WR’s

 

OBJ

Bateman

Flowers

Agholar

Isabella

Thomas

 

On each team, the bottom roster guys are on one year, sub 2M contracts … Bills/Sherfield, Chiefs/James and Ravens with Isabella & Thomas. 

[MasterStrategist]

On 4/27/2023 at 3:31 PM, MasterStrategist said:

I specifically laid out how we help Josh:

1. Improve the OL

2. Improve slot WR

 

Just because we don't land Dhop, doesn't mean I'm not for putting more support around Josh...quite the opposite.  I just have a practical way to approach it. 

 

You're making this all or nothing, when the facts still stand that Dhop costs $19m this season and we are strapped against the cap.  On top of that, Beane has been hesitant to push any more cap hits into future years.  

@Buffalo03, i think Beane might have agreed

[Buffalo03]

1 minute ago, MasterStrategist said:

@Buffalo03, i think Beane might have agreed

When?

[MasterStrategist]

On 4/27/2023 at 2:45 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

OR....OR...OR..... at some point today you will realize you were wrong the whole time? 

Hmmm, this aged really well!?

 

OR OR OR did I miss something

Just now, Buffalo03 said:

When?

You didn't watch the draft?

[Buffalo03]

1 minute ago, MasterStrategist said:

Hmmm, this aged really well!?

 

OR OR OR did I miss something

You didn't watch the draft?

He took a TE, an olineman and a LB. Notice he hasn't taken a WR yet. And every report has been Dhop will not be traded this weekend

8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I mean, more power to him for still having faith. But Arizona's GM said yesterday that he "doesn't foresee" moving Hopkins and flat out said today "DeAndre's a Cardinal and we're moving forward".

 

I don't think they have any intention on moving him. Based on their reported asking price before the past couple days, which was completely unrealistic, I don't think they ever did.

 

 

Um, you may want to look at McKenzie's stats and Harty's - because that's just factually wrong.

Do you honestly think Dhop plays for the Cardinals this season? That isn't happening 

[MasterStrategist]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

He took a TE, an olineman and a LB. Notice he hasn't taken a WR yet. And every report has been Dhop will not be traded this weekend

Do you honestly think Dhop plays for the Cardinals this season? That isn't happening 

Kincaid is a TE/WR hybrid, he's basically a big slot.

 

and re:Dhop, I was responding to another poster, who told me we were trading for him Thursday night. 

 

Of course the narrative on Dhop will continue to change....smart money is on him being moved, but again that doesn't mean we are trading for him.

[NoSaint]

8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I mean, more power to him for still having faith. But Arizona's GM said yesterday that he "doesn't foresee" moving Hopkins and flat out said today "DeAndre's a Cardinal and we're moving forward".

 

I don't think they have any intention on moving him. Based on their reported asking price before the past couple days, which was completely unrealistic, I don't think they ever did.

 

 

Um, you may want to look at McKenzie's stats and Harty's - because that's just factually wrong.

grain of salt on comments. 
 

if you have an offer that is too low then “I’m walking away” is one way to try to move the needle. 
 

we won’t know the difference from here 

[Buffalo03]

1 minute ago, MasterStrategist said:

Kincaid is a TE/WR hybrid, he's basically a big slot.

 

and re:Dhop, I was responding to another poster, who told me we were trading for him Thursday night. 

 

Of course the narrative on Dhop will continue to change....smart money is on him being moved, but again that doesn't mean we are trading for him.

I'm not saying we will and yes, Kincaid is a Hybrid but if he goes down, who takes the attention off Diggs? If Diggs goes down, is Kincaid what we have to rely on? If they both go down, who's pur WR1? Dhop makes so much sense and the fact that we haven't taken a WR yet still gives a little light at least that this might happen. Ian Rapaport said last night, there are a lot of moving parts in a Hopkins deal. The cap figure has to basically come down before he gets moved and a couple other things but he's getting moved. It's just a matter of to who and when. Because of all the moving parts, it won't happen this weekend

[4merper4mer]

9 hours ago, mrags said:

Anyone that thinks that Hardy and the other guy we got (can’t even remember his name) are a sure thing to make a difference is delusional. 
 

sure, they might be better than what we had last year. They might also be as useless as Crowder on IR all year or McKenzie dropping balls and staying in bounds with 3 seconds left in field goal range. 

Incredible in depth analysis of a guy whose name you didn’t bother to look up.

[mrags]

Just now, 4merper4mer said:

Incredible in depth analysis of a guy whose name you didn’t bother to look up.

[TFBillsfan]

DHop would be a HUGE addition to the offense. I’d consider giving up our 3rd round 2024 pick as it  likely would almost be a 4th. I don’t think it will be that straightforward though. 100% agree he isn’t playing for AZ this year.

 

It’s not hard to expect Harty and Sheffield to have better numbers this year. Look at who they had throwing to them on their prior teams.

[4merper4mer]

23 minutes ago, mrags said:

Since you’ve been relegated to hard to understand seemingly personal attacks I guess I should try to help you out by utilizing facts.

 

The Bills signed Harty to two years, 9+M.  The Colts signed McKenzie to 1 year, <1M.  Do you think these numbers are in any way a reflection of the overall marketplace for these two players or are the Bills just throwing money around while McKenzie is at the same time oblivious to his own value?

[Buffalo03]

3 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

DHop would be a HUGE addition to the offense. I’d consider giving up our 3rd round 2024 pick as it  likely would almost be a 4th. I don’t think it will be that straightforward though. 100% agree he isn’t playing for AZ this year.

 

It’s not hard to expect Harty and Sheffield to have better numbers this year. Look at who they had throwing to them on their prior teams.

No. Beane needs that one for our next undersized LB next year

[billieve420]

9 hours ago, mrags said:

Harry- 36 receptions, 570 yards, 3tds

 

McKenzie- 42 receptions, 423 yards, 4TDs

 

sorry, he exceeded him on receptions and TDs and came up short in yards. I’ll take 2 out of 3. 
 

not to mention Hartys 2’d best year he had 20 receptions for 186 yards and 1 TD. Whole McKEnzie has had 4 seasons better than Hartys 2nd best season. Along with a 5td season. 
 

if you really want to argue that your wrong. He’s not better. You might hope he becomes better. But right now he’s just not. He’s been in the league 2 years and the stats I just put up are all of it. The other 2 years he accomplished almost zip. 
 

 

Also need to factor who is throwing the ball to those guys. Allen has given career years to number of WRs who have came here. In a pass heavy offense they will have chance to post better numbers than their previous teams.

[Dillenger4]

10 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Since you’ve been relegated to hard to understand seemingly personal attacks I guess I should try to help you out by utilizing facts.

 

The Bills signed Harty to two years, 9+M.  The Colts signed McKenzie to 1 year, <1M.  Do you think these numbers are in any way a reflection of the overall marketplace for these two players or are the Bills just throwing money around while McKenzie is at the same time oblivious to his own value?

You are bang on! Harty is far superior to McKenzie. Harty catches the ball whereas lil dummy dropped a lot of passes. Harty get's YAC whereas Lil Dummy was a whoosy. Harty had the Chiefs and Chargers offering contracts and he picked The Bills. He will be the starting slot receiver for us and I fully expect him to have a great season and contribute. He will also allow Cook and Harris to have better seasons as the opposing D will have to worry about his speed coming off the line. Add in Kincaid and look the F out!!!

[mrags]

11 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Since you’ve been relegated to hard to understand seemingly personal attacks I guess I should try to help you out by utilizing facts.

 

The Bills signed Harty to two years, 9+M.  The Colts signed McKenzie to 1 year, <1M.  Do you think these numbers are in any way a reflection of the overall marketplace for these two players or are the Bills just throwing money around while McKenzie is at the same time oblivious to his own value?

Well. Like I already stated. McKenzie has 2 seasons with more TDs than HARTY has in his career. He’s got 4 seasons that are statistically better than HARTY’s 2nd best season. HARTY’s best season has less receptions, and TDs than McKenzies best although he had a few more yards. He’s never finished a season without being injured. He’s missed 26 games in 4 seasons. 
 

again. If you want to believe he’s going to be more effective than McKenzie that’s fine. Obviously the Bills thought he would be. Which is why he’s on the team and McKenzke isn’t. And don’t get me wrong, I couldn’t stand McKenzie. They misused him and couldn’t find ways to utilize what he does best. But in no way is this kid any better than McKenzie at this point in his career. Time will tell. I’ll go with stats at this point. 

[Dillenger4]

9 hours ago, mrags said:

Harry- 36 receptions, 570 yards, 3tds

 

McKenzie- 42 receptions, 423 yards, 4TDs

 

sorry, he exceeded him on receptions and TDs and came up short in yards. I’ll take 2 out of 3. 
 

not to mention Hartys 2’d best year he had 20 receptions for 186 yards and 1 TD. Whole McKEnzie has had 4 seasons better than Hartys 2nd best season. Along with a 5td season. 
 

if you really want to argue that your wrong. He’s not better. You might hope he becomes better. But right now he’s just not. He’s been in the league 2 years and the stats I just put up are all of it. The other 2 years he accomplished almost zip. 
 

 

Not sure what elementary school you formulated your hypothesis data from - but you are clearly wrong.

Also - add in drops please. 

Lil dummy had 8 dropped passes and was benched twice because of this in 2 seasons.

Harty - 0, yes thats 0 and not an o, zero dropped passes.

Thank you. You sir just got wrecked!

[mrags]

16 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

Also need to factor who is throwing the ball to those guys. Allen has given career years to number of WRs who have came here. In a pass heavy offense they will have chance to post better numbers than their previous teams.

my arguments have been made. There’s no proof that this guy is any better or will be any better. There’s no statistical proof that he will ever amount to anything. 

1 minute ago, Dillenger4 said:

Not sure what elementary school you formulated your hypothesis data from - but you are clearly wrong.

Also - add in drops please. 

Lil dummy had 8 dropped passes and was benched twice because of this in 2 seasons.

Harty - 0, yes thats 0 and not an o, zero dropped passes.

Thank you. You sir just got wrecked!

Dude has statistically less receptions and TDs than McKenzie in his best season. 
 

wrecked 

[Dillenger4]

1 minute ago, mrags said:

Well. Like I already stated. McKenzie has 2 seasons with more TDs than HARTY has in his career. He’s got 4 seasons that are statistically better than HARTY’s 2nd best season. HARTY’s best season has less receptions, and TDs than McKenzies best although he had a few more yards. He’s never finished a season without being injured. He’s missed 26 games in 4 seasons. 
 

again. If you want to believe he’s going to be more effective than McKenzie that’s fine. Obviously the Bills thought he would be. Which is why he’s on the team and McKenzke isn’t. And don’t get me wrong, I couldn’t stand McKenzie. They misused him and couldn’t find ways to utilize what he does best. But in no way is this kid any better than McKenzie at this point in his career. Time will tell. I’ll go with stats at this point. 

Misused him????!!?!?

Brrhahahahahahaha

They gave him EVERY opportunity with straigh routes, motion plays, hand offs etc etc. I mean really dude/dudette... what t F are you talking about??

When a player gets benched twice in two seasons thats a bad thing. Add in the drops.. OMG the dude was a waste. Harty is a PRO.

3 minutes ago, mrags said:

my arguments have been made. There’s no proof that this guy is any better or will be any better. There’s no statistical proof that he will ever amount to anything. 

Dude has statistically less receptions and TDs than McKenzie in his best season. 
 

wrecked 

Get a life:

 

McKenzie- 42 receptions on 58 attempts., 423 yards, 4TDs LOLLLLLLL

Harty had 38 receptions on 38 attemps, with 8 TD's. Where are you getting your sh&t from?? Just stop trolling dudette.