Dr. Who Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Man.. relax…see what happens … This could drag out to draft day… in a negotiation .. you don’t just cave into the demands from the other side straight away That AZ GM is going to end up with 27 and the Bills paying out the whole salary with IronMaidenBills at the helm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Just now, Dr. Who said: That AZ GM is going to end up with 27 and the Bills paying out the whole salary with IronMaidenBills at the helm. And maybe even Josh Allen if the Arizona GM asked for him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Just now, Aussie Joe said: And maybe even Josh Allen if the Arizona GM asked for him Nah, the fella is a little crazy, but not that crazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 58 minutes ago, HappyDays said: That quote isn't exactly right. He posts the actual video in the tweet below: Jeremy Fowler says Arizona is asking for "a 2nd round pick and more." He uses the McCaffrey trade as an example, he does not say Arizona wants a 2nd and a 3rd. So this isn't new information. The report all along has been that Hopkins is available for a 2nd rounder plus a conditional pick. As I said earlier if Beane is playing a game of chicken and waiting until Arizona drops their asking price closer to the draft, that's fine. But if he ultimately has to lose the game of chicken to acquire a true WR2 then he should just do it. A brief history of Bills 2nd round picks in the McDermott era: James Cook Boogie Basham AJ Epenesa Cody Ford Zay Jones Dion Dawkins Dawkins is the only player on that list where you would take his career with the Bills over two years of DeAndre Hopkins. This hasn't been said enough - does everyone realize Gabe Davis cost us the #1 seed last year? He dropped a TD in the Dolphins loss. He dropped that ridiculous 70 yard pass on 4th and 21 in the Jets loss which at the very least put us into position to tie the game. And then against the Bengals in the playoffs when we still had a fighting chance he dropped a 3rd down deep throw which effectively ended the game for us. All of that plus he had trouble separating most of the year. So just know if you don't want the Bills to give up a 2nd for Hopkins, you're signing up for another year of that. I don't get it. I don’t understand why the 1st rounder isn’t on the table. Unless we’re bidding against ourselves obviously. If the Chiefs are in this that’s what it will cost. Arizona gets Bills 1st Bills Get Hopkins Arizona 3rd RD pick I’d do this - the cost of moving up to TRY to get a WR will cost more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Ok… I don’t want a GM that is just going to pay whatever it takes to acquire players The other night he wanted to give up Milano, Oliver & a 2nd for Mike Evans.😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'm not saying Davis singlehandedly cost us the #1 seed. But we're talking about upgradeable spots on the team. Allen isn't upgradeable. Dorsey isn't getting replaced. Frazier is already gone. I'm not complaining about Davis just to complain. We have a real opportunity to upgrade a part of the offense that was a major factor in why we fell short last year. Playing the blame game is missing the point. I'm focusing on something the Bills can actually control. I know your not complaining just to complain. I enjoy most of your posts and opinions. I just think people are enamored with a big name wr and one player is not going to do it. IMO, costs outweigh the benefit in this case. We don't need to upgrade Allen. We need him to play the way he is fully capable of. He didn't in those games. Just like I think Davis is better than what we saw last season. Dorsey just needs to get his crap together and create/have better gameplans/gamecalls. Frazier is gone, so I am expecting better results if we fill the holes on D. According to many, we have already upgraded the offense with Harty, Sherfield, McGovern, Edwards and Harris. Then we should have a Healthy Allen, Knox not having to be kept in to block and Shakir in his second year. Why do we have to have an expensive, shiny new toy that's 30? I'd rather use the 2nd to fill a real need and have some money available if needed. Don't get me wrong in any way. If it happens, Great and I will cheer and support the the team the same way I always do. If it doesn't, I am not going to cry or lose any sleep over it. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: I don’t understand why the 1st rounder isn’t on the table. Unless we’re bidding against ourselves obviously. If the Chiefs are in this that’s what it will cost. Arizona gets Bills 1st Bills Get Hopkins Arizona 3rd RD pick I’d do this - the cost of moving up to TRY to get a WR will cost more. Absolutely no way. Even if AZ ate a ton of that contract, it’s way too much. Bills need to hit on 27. It’s imperative. Whether it’s a Tackle (my hope), LB or best skill player (Bijan or WR) … that piece needs to be contributing low cost part of this team for the next 4 years. Edited March 25, 2023 by SCBills 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Man.. relax…see what happens … This could drag out to draft day… in a negotiation .. you don’t just cave into the demands from the other side straight away Me personally when I negotiate, I don’t haggle when I really really want something. Nickel and diming risks spoiling the mood of the other party or risking it being taken underneath you. I only haggle on things I know I can live without or it’s meh if I win meh if I lose. Given other options that exist realistically (OBJ, maybe Jeudy) I’d much rather have Hopkins given what he has shown last year and during his career with less surrounding talent vs playing with Alien and Diggs. This is a golden opportunity and I’d hate to see it fall through the cracks because we squabbled over picks or money that isn’t going to matter if we win a super bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 20 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: What if AZ says F it, and just holds onto Dhop without taking the Bills “best offer” . Sometimes bidding against yourself is necessary to land the deal. Nope. Move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: That AZ GM is going to end up with 27 and the Bills paying out the whole salary with IronMaidenBills at the helm. And then we now have Diggs and Hopkins headed into the draft and excited to watch the best show on Earth. It would be worth it, absolutely worth watching that play out for our Alien! 1 minute ago, LyndonvilleBill said: Nope. Move on. Unacceptable. Criminal to pinch pennies over a top 15 WR, and one that would free up Diggs the entire time. Edited March 25, 2023 by IronMaidenBills 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 No way in hell I’m giving up a 2nd or 3rd for deandre. Cardinals are smoking some ***** asking for that 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Mcg said: I'll be sleeping on the couch for avoiding my wife for the last 2 days . sounds like she added void years to you contract?.....lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: Me personally when I negotiate, I don’t haggle when I really really want something. Nickel and diming risks spoiling the mood of the other party or risking it being taken underneath you. I only haggle on things I know I can live without or it’s meh if I win meh if I lose. Given other options that exist realistically (OBJ, maybe Jeudy) I’d much rather have Hopkins given what he has shown last year and during his career with less surrounding talent vs playing with Alien and Diggs. This is a golden opportunity and I’d hate to see it fall through the cracks because we squabbled over picks or money that isn’t going to matter if we win a super bowl. We don’t know if Beane is haggling. He could have offered a fair deal based on the market. From Arizona’s side, with what is being reported .. Multiple Day 2 picks and taking on the full salary is not remotely fair market rate for this trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Just now, GETTOTHE50 said: No way in hell I’m giving up a 2nd or 3rd for deandre. Cardinals are smoking some ***** asking for that DeAndre has done nothing but put up 1,000 yard seasons with mediocre QBs and no opposite WR to take off double teams. His double team rate with his career numbers is astounding. He will absolutely blow up playing with Diggs and Allen. I can’t believe we are even having this conversation. 2 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 hour ago, folz said: Whoever leaked this is trying to compare a 26-year old RB whose 3 best seasons averaged 2,080 yards and 15 TDs per against a 30-year old WR whose 3 best years averaged 1,486 yards and 9TDs? And you can't use CMC injuries as an excuse that it evens things out, when DHop has missed 15 games over the last two years due to injury/suspension (despite being healthy for most of his career prior---but he is also 30 now). No doubt these are both great players, and I would love to have DHop on the Bills, if it works out (at the right price)...but this comparison is beyond ridiculous. DHop is not worth the same as CMC in trade value...and no one is buying that. it was also leaked they will not get that and have come off the high ask and will only get similar to the Brandin Cooks trade like a 5th and 6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Man.. relax…see what happens … This could drag out to draft day… in a negotiation .. you don’t just cave into the demands from the other side straight away Oh no, 350 pages 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 I read on Cardinals message board they might move him post June 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, SCBills said: We don’t know if Beane is haggling. He could have offered a fair deal based on the market. From Arizona’s side, with what is being reported .. Multiple Day 2 picks and taking on the full salary is not remotely fair market rate for this trade. “What good is fair market rate” if it doesn’t get you want you want? Sometimes you have to pay extra for things you want. Don’t over think it, just let it flow and deal with the fallout later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: I don’t understand why the 1st rounder isn’t on the table. For a number of reasons. First, players that get traded a 2nd time don't get the same value. Jalen Ramsey went from two 1st round picks to a 3rd round pick. Brandin Cooks has been acquired for less value each time he's been traded. Hopkins was originally acquired by the Cardinals for a 2nd round pick. It stands to reason they won't get more back for him. Second, he's past the age of 30, he's a two year rental for the team that acquires him, and he's coming off a year with a PED suspension. These factors combined lower his value as a player. Third, and probably most importantly, he costs a lot against the cap and the Cardinals are apparently unwilling to retain much if any of the salary. Personally I would instead use our 1st rounder to acquire Jeudy if that was the asking price. He's younger with more upside and wouldn't cause the same cap issues in 2023 or 2024. Using a 1st rounder on a 24 year old still on his rookie deal makes sense. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: And then we now have Diggs and Hopkins headed into the draft and excited to watch the best show on Earth. It would be worth it, absolutely worth watching that play out for our Alien! Unacceptable. Criminal to pinch pennies over a top 15 WR, and one that would free up Diggs the entire time. It's not pennies here. You NEVER pay MSRP when you go to a dealer. I would NEVER pay "Whatever it takes" to get a player. There are ALWAYS options and choices. We just did this with Von and what happened? There are NO guarantees and overpaying for a 30 year old WR would be "criminal " or "unacceptable". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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