NFL Week # 16 - Bills at Bears - post game thread

[mikemac2001]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

Allen was rough today. This sums it up perfectly:

 

 

This was the 2 pt play he stopped at the start bc he knew we f up pre snap I won’t hate on him for this he was waiting for a whistle bc pre snap guys were moving all over the place 

[Andy1]

He is a free agent after this season. Will be interesting to see what move he makes. I can’t see anyone giving him a big contract. His maximum value and where he can play best may be with the Bills where he faces light boxes more often than not. 

Edited December 25, 2022 by Andy1

[AlfaBill]

3 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

Wow, this is some of the worst football analysis I’ve ever seen. You clearly don’t know what you are watching.

 

Fields didn’t run because we used a contained rush with a spy. The few times he tried, he got hit early and dropped.

 

But please, keep regaling us with your outstanding takes

Hostile much?

I didn’t  see Fields run or attempt many rubs at all. Was it really as you say or did their OC try to pass the ball today?

here’s another one for you to wrap your ‘mind’ around.
Why did Miami stop running the ball last week when they were gashing us? Was that Frazier as well? 
 

please regale us with more of your superb analysis. 
smart ass. 

4 hours ago, BRH said:

what game were you watching?  He tried to run.  Couldn’t. 

I don’t recall more than a few Qb runs. 

Edited December 25, 2022 by AlfaBill

[newcam2012]

10 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

Speaking of Hines, while I haven’t been overly thrilled with him, that was a clutch spin move to get the 1st on a 3rd and 8. 

He's getting a little more integrated in the Bills offense. He can and does make some big plays. He could be an under the radar guy that can help the Bills win games. I would like to see him get a few more plays in the offense. However, Cook is looking better so that could limit his touches. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

 

Cook is really turning it up lately.

 

 Yes he has. His average is up to 5.8 ypc and he has more 20+ yard runs than Singletary 6 vs 5 on less than half the carries(80 vs 170). He and Knox are on tds streaks and that really needed to happen ffir this offense. Someone besides Josh & Diggs need to step up and show they can take some of the workload off their shoulders. 

 

 

 

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, AlfaBill said:

I don’t see Fields run or attempt many at all. Was it really as you say or did their OC try to pass the ball today?

 

You realize most of Fields runs are on scrambles, right? It's not the OC's decision. The reason he didn't scramble today is that our front 4 plus Milano as the spy executed contain style rushes to perfection. And that ties back to McDermott's and Frazier's coaching of that style, proven by the fact that they wrote the book on how to stop Lamar Jackson in his 2019 MVP season. I mean it was really perfect the way they gave Fields zero rushing lanes inside or outside. The Bears OL is bad so that helps. But it starts with coaching and discipline.

[Victory Formation]

9 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said:

Isn't Devin a FA after this season? I've always sensed he's a favorite of McD

Bills are better off just paying the man for what he’s worth.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

7 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:

This was the 2 pt play he stopped at the start bc he knew we f up pre snap I won’t hate on him for this he was waiting for a whistle bc pre snap guys were moving all over the place 

 

 That and he completed the pass and the 2 pt conversion would've been good if not for the penalty. I get there was an easier way to it, but the results would've been the same either way.

 

 

[No_Matter_What]

Totally random, but anybody has an idea how the hell wasn't Hamlin credited with a sack when he tackled Fields 2 yards in the backfield in the 2nd quarter with 4:41 to go (drive that ended by FG)?

[newcam2012]

10 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 And every week, for the last several, Cook has been stealing more and more of the attempts away from Singletary. Today it was nearly even Singletary 12, Cook 11.

 

 

I just don't see Cook being the starter this season. That's my point. He's a rookie, still makes mistakes, isn't as reliable as Motor, and his rapport with Allen is ongoing. With the Bills in win now mode with upcoming crucial games it's no time to change. It's not like Motor is playing poorly. 

[AlfaBill]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

You realize most of Fields runs are on scrambles, right? It's not the OC's decision. The reason he didn't scramble today is that our front 4 plus Milano as the spy executed contain style rushes to perfection. And that ties back to McDermott's and Frazier's coaching of that style, proven by the fact that they wrote the book on how to stop Lamar Jackson in his 2019 MVP season. I mean it was really perfect the way they gave Fields zero rushing lanes inside or outside. The Bears OL is bad so that helps. But it starts with coaching and discipline.

He didn’t try to scramble either. And as for Lamar the D contained him but he still picked up his yards. 

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, AlfaBill said:

He didn’t try to scramble either.

 

Because he couldn't... We had rushers slowly closing in and mirroring his pocket movements on every play where he didn't immediately get the ball out of his hands. We didn't lose contain once. If we did, I promise the guy that has been running all over the competition since peewee would have seen the opportunity and taken it. It's amazing that you're doubling down on this take. Fields didn't wake up today deciding to not scramble for the first time in his life. We didn't give him the option.

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

5 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

Totally random, but anybody has an idea how the hell wasn't Hamlin credited with a sack when he tackled Fields 2 yards in the backfield in the 2nd quarter with 4:41 to go (drive that ended by FG)?

The official scorer makes a judgment call on whether the QB was intending to run or pass.

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

I have @Mark Vader so twisted up that he spends his free time searching my posts and reacting to them 😂. Pure gold. 

Incorrect, I re-read the gameday threads and am unable to avoid the stench of your posts.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

Just now, newcam2012 said:

I just don't see Cook being the starter this season. That's my point. He's a rookie, still makes mistakes, isn't as reliable as Motor, and his rapport with Allen is ongoing. With the Bills in win now mode with upcoming crucial games it's no time to change. It's not like Motor is playing poorly. 

 

 He averages over 20% more per carry and per reception than Singletary with only a little time on the field before the last 6 weeks. He's been getting better and better, every few games you can see the difference. Whether he's a rookie or not he's shown he's better and more explosive than Singletary. To be fair to Singletary, Singletary's average is good at 4.6, but not 5.8 good.

 

 

[newcam2012]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

You realize most of Fields runs are on scrambles, right? It's not the OC's decision. The reason he didn't scramble today is that our front 4 plus Milano as the spy executed contain style rushes to perfection. And that ties back to McDermott's and Frazier's coaching of that style, proven by the fact that they wrote the book on how to stop Lamar Jackson in his 2019 MVP season. I mean it was really perfect the way they gave Fields zero rushing lanes inside or outside. The Bears OL is bad so that helps. But it starts with coaching and discipline.

The Bills were the superior team. It was pretty clear. The Bears probably have the worst WR core in the league. Their Oline is sub par as well. The only have Fields and Montgomey. The Bills talent coupled with a great game plan and execution was too much for the hapless Bears. 

 

With that said, I Give the Bills much respect for staying focused and taking care of business. I might add this wasn't an easy win like the score indicates. The Bills were losing the game at halftime. I know I wasn't the only one a little concerned. 

[Putin]

2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

The Bills were the superior team. It was pretty clear. The Bears probably have the worst WR core in the league. Their Oline is sub par as well. The only have Fields and Montgomey. The Bills talent coupled with a great game plan and execution was too much for the hapless Bears. 

 

With that said, I Give the Bills much respect for staying focused and taking care of business. I might add this wasn't an easy win like the score indicates. The Bills were losing the game at halftime. I know I wasn't the only one a little concerned. 

This is the one game I wasn’t worried at all at any time , 

[DrPJax]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

This game reminded me how difficult our schedule has been this year. We haven't had any layups like this since week two. Other contenders have had several layups. The talent discrepancy in this one was so great that we sleepwalked our way to a three score blowout.

 

      True , it has been a difficult schedule. I think it’s fair to say going in at half 6-7 against a 3-11 team with no effective passing game  is not how McD would like to see his “ championship level “ expectations met. Throw in another red zone int , a fumble that while not lost set up a fg , a missed fg and point after, several holding penalties , Diggs with 0 targets and Gabe losing concentration on more than one play, and that’s not a half you want to see before playing in Cincy next week. Throw in another int, where according to a former pro in Archuletta, it’s hard to figure where Josh was throwing the ball , Dorsey going away from a really successful run game while we were leading and that resulted in 3 straight 3& out series , and it just seems despite a great 12-3 record you are left thinking if these situations should repeat against a team with talent in the playoffs (clearly the Bears are the worst team  we have faced this year), like KC for example , we might not overcome those lost possessions.   
 

    We have a very talented team which makes it difficult to understand the periods that seem to happen in almost every game where the offense struggles ( i mean how do you have 0 targets to your #1 wr, as it’s rare to ever see the Bills shut out guys like Jefferson, Kelce, Waddle etc) and has to often come from behind when everything pregame points to what should be a team leading from start to finish , perfecting their identity on their way to playoff success.   They have a fantastic 12-3 record , but if that’s all you ever pay attention too , it seems analogous to the cliff notes version rather than understanding the bigger picture  the author worked so meticulously to entertain you with. It’s like having major surgery , getting a severe infection because something was left behind as the sponge count was off,  but with the help of an infectious disease specialist the patient survives to go home , yet  in reality something more serious is waiting down the road.  🤨

 

     It’s been a good season so far but there is a bigger goal that everyone has finally not been afraid to talk about; this team has spent and been set up to win a super bowl.  It’s goal was clearly stated from the beginning , get home field advantage and win a Super Bowl.  So far those things are still attainable so that’s amazing and Is something to be thankful for.  Three afc east titles in a row!  It’s just when your all world qb still throws 2 picks , including one in the red zone whole throwing to McKenzie, who people in the shout box were shouting  why is Josh throwing to a double covered guy who has struggled  to catch even while wide open, it feels like we could be glossing over some issues. Maybe not tho; maybe it’s as simple as  it’s just the “ regular season” , like practice to a guy like iverson!  
 

     It reminds me of one year in undergrad and making the deans list, only a few days later to get a letter from the Dean sent to all who made the list that stated, “ I hope this achievement is a TRUE REFLECTION of your work and accomplishments this semester”!   Lol,  I felt a little insulted! Of course I deserved to make the list!   Honestly tho, not every class I took was biochem or experimental surgery as there was a music history class thrown in there , kind of like playing the Bears!  I hope todays win and 12-3 , is a true reflection of how great this team is !  Merry Christmas , Go Bills!  😊

[Dan]

All I can say is... it was another messed up week of preparation, extreme weather game, and the Bills took care of business and found a way to win!   This is exactly what good teams do.  What an awesome time to be a Bills fan!
 

And now.. another tough game in Cinci to keep the #1 seed.  No time to rest, but i hope they do tomorrow.  

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Because he couldn't... We had rushers slowly closing in and mirroring his pocket movements on every play where he didn't immediately get the ball out of his hands. We didn't lose contain once. If we did, I promise the guy that has been running all over the competition since peewee would have seen the opportunity and taken it. It's amazing that you're doubling down on this take. Fields didn't wake up today deciding to not scramble for the first time in his life. We didn't give him the option.

yep. It was a thing of beauty. There was one play where the closing bills defender literally walked up on him. Perfect technique because if you come up at these guys too fast they give you one head fake and are gone.

[ganesh]

13 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 He averages over 20% more per carry and per reception than Singletary with only a little time on the field before the last 6 weeks. He's been getting better and better, every few games you can see the difference. Whether he's a rookie or not he's shown he's better and more explosive than Singletary. To be fair to Singletary, Singletary's average is good at 4.6, but not 5.8 good.

 

 

It is heartening that the draft class is turning around.  Both Elam and Cook are coming along and will help this team in the Post Season.  Go Bills!

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 He averages over 20% more per carry and per reception than Singletary with only a little time on the field before the last 6 weeks. He's been getting better and better, every few games you can see the difference. Whether he's a rookie or not he's shown he's better and more explosive than Singletary. To be fair to Singletary, Singletary's average is good at 4.6, but not 5.8 good.

 

 

I think you are getting a little lost with your stats. I've said over and over that stats don't tell the whole story. That's exactly the case here. Look at your sample size. It's not like Cook has been beating the drum for upteen games. Sure he has been playing better and is explosive. That's a great thing for the Bills offense. However, Cook is anything but a proven reliable commodity. His nice stretch of play doesn't warrant the starting role over Singletary. It warrants more touches which he is getting. The 1-2 combo of Singletary and Cook is nice to see. Now isn't the time for promoting Cook. I might add that it feels much more comfortable with Motor starting in big game vs Cinci, KC, SD, Balt, or any other quality playoff team. It's not like Motor is playing poorly. He ripped off a 33 yard TD and ran for 106 yards. This reminds me of last year when he really started running the ball well during crunch time.

 

I can't believe you are "banging the drum" for Cook being the starter. Don't get lost in a tiny small sample of games and stats. 

Edited December 25, 2022 by newcam2012

[Big Turk]

35 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:

This was the 2 pt play he stopped at the start bc he knew we f up pre snap I won’t hate on him for this he was waiting for a whistle bc pre snap guys were moving all over the place 

 

And he still converted it.

[newcam2012]

11 minutes ago, Putin said:

This is the one game I wasn’t worried at all at any time , 

Perhaps. At halftime, I had some reservations. I thought they would still win for various reasons. However, I'm not going to lie and say I wasn't concerned at halftme. 

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

Watched the game on replay. Finally got the kids into bed with sugar plums in their heads; and I start scrolling through this thread. 

 

What I love about this place is how when OUR GUY has a bad game, people on here go for the throat. Other fan bases, make excuses, and will go down swinging with THE WORST TAKES EVER, defending THEIR GUY.

 

Not here. 
 

Merry Christmas you wonderful old building loan!!!

[John from Riverside]

Guys, this is not college
They don’t awards extra things for style points. You are the winner or you are not

 

This Bears team even is depleted as it is has developed a reputation of hanging around in games did it last week two against a superior team?

 

We beat them and it wasn’t close

 

Edited December 25, 2022 by John from Riverside

[3rdnlng]

36 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

Hostile much?

I didn’t  see Fields run or attempt many rubs at all. Was it really as you say or did their OC try to pass the ball today?

here’s another one for you to wrap your ‘mind’ around.
Why did Miami stop running the ball last week when they were gashing us? Was that Frazier as well? 
 

please regale us with more of your superb analysis. 
smart ass. 

I don’t recall more than a few Qb runs. 

He had 7 runs for 11 yards.

[Buffalo Super Fan]

As a Bills fan I will take the win but this Bills team has a good record but doesn’t seem as good offensively as last season. Part of it is the Josh Allen elbow injury part of it is losing OC Brian Daboll to the New York Giants. Ken Dorsey offense is just a little bit off with Josh Allen. I had another issue with Sean McDermott not using the timeouts at the end of the second quarter to force a potential punt deep in the Chicago Bears own end of the field. Also the lack of targets to Stefon Diggs is bizarre but Sean McDermott is bizarre who just keeps padding his bank account.
 

BSF you are bizarre because you are always knocking Sean McDermott calling him a bum why can’t you say Sean McDermott is great and wonderful? I will say that about “Mr 13 seconds “ Sean McDermott when he actually wins a Super Bowl for Buffalo. BSF you are also too hard on wonderful Terry Pegula? See Sean McDermott when Terry Pegula wins something more than his bank account like a actual championship of any kind for Buffalo. Buffalo Bills, Sabres or even Buffalo Bandits then I will give Terry Pegula praise. Until then Terry Pegula is a no good greedy bum who can’t win the big one. “Howard Hughes” like Terry Pegula to me until the bum win something anything he can’t win a Bandits lacrosse championship he is a bum owner.
 

Yes the Buffalo Bills won today but Sean McDermott is flawed as a head coach we will see if he gets past the Kansas City Chiefs at home in Buffalo. I am not expecting it more likely Sean McDermott will mess it up somehow in the end along with that bum Terry Pegula. The whole Bills football show is over the minute QB Josh Allen gets fed up waiting to win a Super Bowl with the cheap eccentric owner Terry Pegula and incompetent head coach Sean McDermott there both bums until they actually win a championship for Buffalo no excuses in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Edited December 25, 2022 by Buffalo Super Fan

[vincec]

31 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Bills are better off just paying the man for what he’s worth.

The question is, what is that?

[Mango]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Hmm not sure I'm buying that the wind took such a short throw, but Allen always admits when he screws up so that's an interesting perspective.

It looked like a straight crosswind most of the game. The wind pushed it left outside of Cooks hands underneath which means it sailed to LB. He didn’t mean that it sailed down field. 

[JGMcD2]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

As a Bills fan I will take the win but this Bills team has a good record but doesn’t seem as good offensively as last season. Part of it is the Josh Allen elbow injury part of it is losing OC Brian Daboll to the New York Giants. Ken Dorsey offense is just a little bit off with Josh Allen. I had another issue with Sean McDermott not using the timeouts at the end of the second quarter to force a potential punt deep in the Chicago Bears own end of the field. Also the lack of targets to Stefon Diggs is bizarre but Sean McDermott is bizarre who just keeps padding his bank account.
 

BSF you are bizarre because you are always knocking Sean McDermott calling him a bum why can’t you say Sean McDermott is great and wonderful? I will say that about “Mr 13 seconds “ Sean McDermott when he actually wins a Super Bowl for Buffalo. BSF you are also too hard on wonderful Terry Pegula? See Sean McDermott when Terry Pegula wins something more than his bank account like a actual championship of any kind for Buffalo. Buffalo Bills, Sabres or even Buffalo Bandits then I will give Terry Pegula praise. Until then Terry Pegula is a no good greedy bum who can’t win the big one. “Howard Hughes” like Terry Pegula to me until the bum win something anything he can’t win a Bandits lacrosse championship he is a bum owner.
 

Yes the Buffalo Bills won today but Sean McDermott is flawed as a head coach we will see if he gets past the Kansas City Chiefs at home in Buffalo. I am not expecting it more likely Sean McDermott will mess it up somehow in the end along with that bum Terry Pegula. The whole Bills football show is over the minute QB Josh Allen gets fed up waiting to win a Super Bowl with the cheap eccentric owner Terry Pegula and incompetent head coach Sean McDermott there both bums until they actually win a championship for Buffalo no excuses in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

I got dumber reading this post. Literally nothing of substance… just you saying “bum” every other sentence. 
 

There are some plausible reasons for not using those timeouts before the half. Did you see the issues ST was having today? Hines is typically a pretty good returner and was pretty timid/almost goofed up a few times. Bears had issues too. Last thing they needed there was a muffed punt to give the Bears a chance to score before the half. 

Also, how is Terry Pegula cheap but at the same time McDermott is padding his bank account? 😂

Edited December 25, 2022 by JGMcD2

[Victory Formation]

Just now, vincec said:

The question is, what is that?

Probably between $6M-$7M/yr I would guess. (3yr $18M)

 

I think between Singletary and Cook we have a very nice RBBC and I think Hines is more than capable to fill in occasionally as RB3 while also doubling as our STs guy.

 

I think RBBC is absolutely the way to go in todays NFL. You want a more consistent running attack? Build a behemoth of an OL.

 

RD1 has to be either WR or OL imo.

[John from Riverside]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

As a Bills fan I will take the win but this Bills team has a good record but doesn’t seem as good offensively as last season. Part of it is the Josh Allen elbow injury part of it is losing OC Brian Daboll to the New York Giants. Ken Dorsey offense is just a little bit off with Josh Allen. I had another issue with Sean McDermott not using the timeouts at the end of the second quarter to force a potential punt deep in the Chicago Bears own end of the field. Also the lack of targets to Stefon Diggs is bizarre but Sean McDermott is bizarre who just keeps padding his bank account.
 

BSF you are bizarre because you are always knocking Sean McDermott calling him a bum why can’t you say Sean McDermott is great and wonderful? I will say that about “Mr 13 seconds “ Sean McDermott when he actually wins a Super Bowl for Buffalo. BSF you are also too hard on wonderful Terry Pegula? See Sean McDermott when Terry Pegula wins something more than his bank account like a actual championship of any kind for Buffalo. Buffalo Bills, Sabres or even Buffalo Bandits then I will give Terry Pegula praise. Until then Terry Pegula is a no good greedy bum who can’t win the big one. “Howard Hughes” like Terry Pegula to me until the bum win something anything he can’t win a Bandits lacrosse championship he is a bum owner.
 

Yes the Buffalo Bills won today but Sean McDermott is flawed as a head coach we will see if he gets past the Kansas City Chiefs at home in Buffalo. I am not expecting it more likely Sean McDermott will mess it up somehow in the end along with that bum Terry Pegula. The whole Bills football show is over the minute QB Josh Allen gets fed up waiting to win a Super Bowl with the cheap eccentric owner Terry Pegula and incompetent head coach Sean McDermott there both bums until they actually win a championship for Buffalo no excuses in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Must…resist

[Joe Ferguson]

Media will now mention Allen has the most INTs in the NFL. It wasn't mentioned a week ago because Mahomes was tied with Allen with 11 INTs.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

what a great win! First off, game ball to Leslie Frazier. How do you not let Fields get any yards on the ground? Like none? Great scheme. And great adjustments overall for the run D after that first drive.

 

Sloppy mistakes and execution errors on offense— all unforced. But the D bailed them out and the running game through.  
 

my main complaint is ST. Totally underwhelming in every way for the second game in a row. We pay a lot of ST aces. They can’t be getting outplayed like this. 

[JDubya76]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Must…resist

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, JDubya76 said:

No, papa says that I can’t

[Coach Tuesday]

49 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

You realize most of Fields runs are on scrambles, right? It's not the OC's decision. The reason he didn't scramble today is that our front 4 plus Milano as the spy executed contain style rushes to perfection. And that ties back to McDermott's and Frazier's coaching of that style, proven by the fact that they wrote the book on how to stop Lamar Jackson in his 2019 MVP season. I mean it was really perfect the way they gave Fields zero rushing lanes inside or outside. The Bears OL is bad so that helps. But it starts with coaching and discipline.

They have used him on plenty of designed runs.  Guessing we didn’t see those today because he’s been hurting a bit.

[Bruffalo]

This was one of those weird games where we basically dominated but it definitely didn't feel that way in the moment.  Kudos to the running game, Cook and Singletary really stepped up.  Allen was off, but in that weather I think it'd be crazier if he was on.  The decision making was weird, Dorsey was kind of frustrating, and outside of the scripted first drive the Defense was very good to elite. 

 

Nice win all in all, just felt weird in the moment.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

Takeaways:

 

Josh Allen loves to play hero ball against teams he thinks he is better against and he did it again today. I'm not sure if he does it to test his arm, but you can tell when there are zero fox given about playing it safe. 

 

There is a vicious rumor that the Bills can't run the ball, but we all know that we CAN run the ball effectively, but Dorsey doesn't stick to the running game like he did today that often. We've been running the ball very well WHEN WE DO.

 

I started James Cook in fantasy and said that he would have more yards than his brother today for a reason... the weather was a major factor, but you can tell the staff has more and more confidence in him and this kind of a game versus a low win team was the perfect opportunity to shine.

 

Our defense has a "bend but don't break" mentality that drives me crazy, but more often than not they get the job done and today was no different. To see Tre out there doing his thing like it was 2021 was a treat.

 

Sure we have flaws, but what team doesn't, especially with the injuries that we have had? Try not to be too hard on those who get frustrated and post negative comments... it's Christmas!

 

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah everyone!