Marquez Stevenson Released (update 12/10 - signed to Bills PS)

[JGMcD2]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Again Beane didn't draft White, Dawkins or Edmunds.

 

If you want to credit McD for that great but that's always been a very misleading claim validated by Doug Whaley who did draft them and did all the legwork.

That's not the point... you're acting as if they're going out and having to fix mistakes in the draft by overpaying in FA.

 

It's just blatantly false... 7/10 were drafted and extended.

[QLBillsFan]

43 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said:

OBJ isn't playing this year. If Dallas is concerned about how his physical went, then I'm sure the Bills are just as aware. 

Jerry not sold on OBJ and likely neither is BB. He may not step on a football field this year. His value long term for the Bills isn’t logical given the players currently contributing who we need to sign this off-season.

The OBJ hype seems a bit much given his most notable activity this year will be getting tossed off a plane ✈️ 😂!

[wppete]

26 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

I believe Beasley is still the property of the Tampa Bay Bucks. They would need to release him first.

 
🤔 Didn’t know that. If he becomes available I’ll be for it. 

[The Jokeman]

15 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

You have to hit on draft picks consistently or you'll find yourself in a bad salary cap situation like this team coincidentally is next year because of all the big money FA contracts we've handed out to FA's to compensate for said bad drafts.

 

This is just the reality of the situation and why a team like KC is position so well for the near and long term because Veach continues to crush each draft and hit on both high and low draft picks.

 

No Beane is not terrible, but he's really just average even with striking gold on JA17 and the real reason this team is where they are now.

Crush? Like Skyy Moore who they took in Round 2 this year? Who has 17 catches this year? Compared to Shakir who we took almost 100 picks later who has 8 catches? 

[JGMcD2]

7 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

I've done it over and over and just get flamed for it. Would also like to see this deep dive data again since I'm not stubborn and close minded.

 

But like I said take away JA17 and the 2017 haul in White/Dawkins/Milano (because he wasn't here and it wasn't his draft), where are the superstars and good to great players he's drafted? (again not FA players).

 

I'm willing to give him Ed Oliver even though he's a late bloomer. Wyatt Teller counts even though he pretty much admitted he didn't think he was that type of player and why he was traded.

 

But when you look at the rest of this roster and the core players they are mostly FA signings and trades (Miller/Poyer/Hyde/Morse/etc). Most posters on this board could make those type of moves if given the money and resources of an NFL front office. Again boils down to drafting and fact say Beane hasn't been very good at that outside of a few key guys like JA17. Maybe he gets better some day but the body of work in 5 full drafts from 2018-2022 tell me otherwise.

I mean this is easy... he drafts at the upper echelon of GMs when compared to his peers. You can't just look at the draft and go "But DK Metcalf went after, and he took Cody Ford instead" everyone else made that mistake. Seahawks passed on Metcalf twice.

 

The hit rate on finding an All-Pro caliber player is like 1 every 3 drafts if you're doing a good job. It just doesn't happen that often... he drafted arguably the best QB in football... which is pretty damn valuable. 

 

Given the money and resources, most posters on this board could go back years after a draft is completed and pick out the players a team SHOULD have taken. 

 

FWIW nobody has ever seen you post data or articles on here... you just jump on and start spewing doom about how Tua and the Dolphins are better than us. 

Edited December 6, 2022 by JGMcD2

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

44 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

As I said, he's whiffed on draft picks at the position (like oline) vs FA signings.

 

At some point though you do have to draft quality players at various positions and not just rely on FA help or you aren't very good at your job. If Davis pans out it's a different story but still TBD whether or not he's more than just a #3 type of WR that can make big plays occassionally.

 

You remind me of some of my haters out there I personal know lol

[Logic]

Brandon Beane is a former AP General Manager of the Year, under whose tenure the Bills have made the playoffs three out of four seasons (soon to be four out of five), are the current AFC one seed, have the second best point differential in football, and are the current Super Bowl betting favorites.

But sure, he's a below average talent evaluator and not a very good GM overall. He just got lucky to get Josh Allen. He didn't, like, make a bunch of shrewd trades and draft day maneuvers to get into position to take a super raw guy that most of the analysts in the world thought was a giant bust waiting to happen. Didn't surround him with a stable environment, good coaching, good enough protection and good enough weaponry, and exercise the patience needed for him to reach his potential. It was just luck. 

Beane is below average. The Bills are the AFC 1 seed, have the second best point differential in the league, and are Super Bowl betting favorites IN SPITE of Beane.

Sure, Jan.

[FilthyBeast]

3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

That's not the point... you're acting as if they're going out and having to fix mistakes in the draft by overpaying in FA.

 

It's just blatantly false... 7/10 were drafted and extended.

 

4/10 from Beane.

 

I'll say this, if he can navigate this team out of the salary cap nightmare they are in next year and still keep this team in the SB conversation in 2023 than maybe he really is a genius. Because that's what's going to need to happen to have any chance of signing quality FA's and not just relying on the draft for help.

 

This is essentially what KC did this year when they were supposed to be 'in transition' and a WC team at best needing to let guys like Hill and Matheiu go, but Veach's masterful drafting has kept them ahead of the curve especially with 2nd year studs like Bolton and Humprhey blossoming into all pro type players. This is what I keep hoping to see from Beane's picks only to be underwhelmed and disappointed.

[JGMcD2]

10 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Again boils down to drafting and fact say Beane hasn't been very good at that outside of a few key guys like JA17.

Dumbass... nobody in the NFL is.

 

Josh Allen, Tremaine Edmunds, Taron Johnson, Ed Oliver, Devin Singletary, Dawson Knox, Gabriel Davis and Greg Rousseau is better than 25-28 other teams over the same span. Guaranteed.  

[JGMcD2]

6 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

4/10 from Beane.

 

I'll say this, if he can navigate this team out of the salary cap nightmare they are in next year and still keep this team in the SB conversation in 2023 than maybe he really is a genius. Because that's what's going to need to happen to have any chance of signing quality FA's and not just relying on the draft for help.

 

This is essentially what KC did this year when they were supposed to be 'in transition' and a WC team at best needing to let guys like Hill and Matheiu go, but Veach's masterful drafting has kept them ahead of the curve especially with 2nd year studs like Bolton and Humprhey blossoming into all pro type players. This is what I keep hoping to see from Beane's picks only to be underwhelmed and disappointed.

Check out the Chiefs… 

 

2/10 top cap hits were drafted by Brett Veach. Patrick Mahomes and Juan Thornhill.

 

Everyone else Veach traded or signed in FA… why does he get a pass? 
 

Give Veach…  Mahomes, Bolton and Humphrey as “superstars” he has drafted. Who else? 

Edited December 6, 2022 by JGMcD2

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Just now, JGMcD2 said:

Check out the Chiefs… 

 

2/10 top cap hits were drafted by Brett Veach. Patrick Mahomes and Juan Thornhill.

 

Everyone else Veach traded or signed in FA… why does he get a pass? 

 

Agree. Titan's released there gm.

 

 

Beane is a great GM. Filthy reminds me of my many haters around here. Never show any proof or facts. Get's emotional and goes crazy.

[FilthyBeast]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

You remind me of some of my haters out there I personal know lol

 

Not a hater my man, just a realist.

 

6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Crush? Like Skyy Moore who they took in Round 2 this year? Who has 17 catches this year? Compared to Shakir who we took almost 100 picks later who has 8 catches? 

 

McDuffie looks like a stud, our first round pick is benched and has struggled for the most part. Many pundits also predicted this.

 

Karlaftis is coming along and looks like that lunch pail type of DE on the field whose going to get better and better.

 

Jaylen Watson looks like a 7th round steal and hasn't hit a wall like Benford after a promising start.

 

Leo Chanal has shown a lot more flashes than Bernard who has been a liability thus far on the field.

 

Pacheco is another 7th round pick that has outplayed our 2nd round pick RB so far and shows why never draft RB's before the 4th or 5th round.

 

Like I said not going to hit on every pick but you need to find you some studs and real contributors and Veach is a true 'Big balla' in that regard.

[JGMcD2]

Just now, FilthyBeast said:

 

Not a hater my man, just a realist.

 

 

McDuffie looks like a stud, our first round pick is benched and has struggled for the most part. Many pundits also predicted this.

 

Karlaftis is coming along and looks like that lunch pail type of DE on the field whose going to get better and better.

 

Jaylen Watson looks like a 7th round steal and hasn't hit a wall like Benford after a promising start.

 

Leo Chanal has shown a lot more flashes than Bernard who has been a liability thus far on the field.

 

Pacheco is another 7th round pick that has outplayed our 2nd round pick RB so far and shows why never draft RB's before the 4th or 5th round.

 

Like I said not going to hit on every pick but you need to find you some studs and real contributors and Veach is a true 'Big balla' in that regard.

You’re literally just putting your spin on random guys and making them out to be studs. Literally no context or comparison… you’re just saying it as if it’s fact. 
 

You’re hands down the worst poster on this board and it’s not even close. 

[FilthyBeast]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Agree. Titan's released there gm.

 

 

Beane is a great GM. Filthy reminds me of my many haters around here. Never show any proof or facts. Get's emotional and goes crazy.

 

LOL only a few players that Beane actually drafted also got a second contract and some were questionable to begin with (i.e Taron Johnson).

 

Again I don't hate Beane. He's just an average GM hyped up because of the National Lampoons xmas pajamas bit and other social media shenanigans in orchard park.

 

Bring me a SB win and I'll slurp him harder than anyone else on this board though....

[JGMcD2]

Just now, FilthyBeast said:

 

LOL only a few players that Beane actually drafted also got a second contract and some were questionable to begin with (i.e Taron Johnson).

 

Again I don't hate Beane. He's just an average GM hyped up because of the National Lampoons xmas pajamas bit and other social media shenanigans in orchard park.

 

Bring me a SB win and I'll slurp him harder than anyone else on this board though....

Average GM? Okay… who is better? 
 

Which Brett Veach picks have 2nd contracts? 

[buffaloboyinATL]

19 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

I've done it over and over and just get flamed for it. Would also like to see this deep dive data again since I'm not stubborn and close minded.

 

But like I said take away JA17 and the 2017 haul in White/Dawkins/Milano (because he wasn't here and it wasn't his draft), where are the superstars and good to great players he's drafted? (again not FA players).

 

I'm willing to give him Ed Oliver even though he's a late bloomer. Wyatt Teller counts even though he pretty much admitted he didn't think he was that type of player and why he was traded.

 

But when you look at the rest of this roster and the core players they are mostly FA signings and trades (Miller/Poyer/Hyde/Morse/etc). Most posters on this board could make those type of moves if given the money and resources of an NFL front office. Again boils down to drafting and fact say Beane hasn't been very good at that outside of a few key guys like JA17. Maybe he gets better some day but the body of work in 5 full drafts from 2018-2022 tell me otherwise.

Luckily for us, Josh Allen counts, and getting us the franchise QB of our dreams, means he is a great GM in my book.  

 

Regarding the free agent signings, he is the General Manager, not the Draft Manager. I don't care HOW he built this Championship roster, I care THAT he did it.  

[Logic]

4 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Not a hater my man, just a realist.

 

 

McDuffie looks like a stud, our first round pick is benched and has struggled for the most part. Many pundits also predicted this.

 

Karlaftis is coming along and looks like that lunch pail type of DE on the field whose going to get better and better.

 

Jaylen Watson looks like a 7th round steal and hasn't hit a wall like Benford after a promising start.

 

Leo Chanal has shown a lot more flashes than Bernard who has been a liability thus far on the field.

 

Pacheco is another 7th round pick that has outplayed our 2nd round pick RB so far and shows why never draft RB's before the 4th or 5th round.

 

Like I said not going to hit on every pick but you need to find you some studs and real contributors and Veach is a true 'Big balla' in that regard.

Now talk about Tremon Smith, Khalil McKenzie, Darwin Thompson, Nick Alligretti, Michael Danna, and Thakarius Keyes.

I'll wait here.

[34-78-83]

7 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

4/10 from Beane.

 

I'll say this, if he can navigate this team out of the salary cap nightmare they are in next year and still keep this team in the SB conversation in 2023 than maybe he really is a genius. Because that's what's going to need to happen to have any chance of signing quality FA's and not just relying on the draft for help.

 

This is essentially what KC did this year when they were supposed to be 'in transition' and a WC team at best needing to let guys like Hill and Matheiu go, but Veach's masterful drafting has kept them ahead of the curve especially with 2nd year studs like Bolton and Humprhey blossoming into all pro type players. This is what I keep hoping to see from Beane's picks only to be underwhelmed and disappointed.

How about you f$#^&*g appreciate the kind and gentle education/proven rebuttal of your takes you're getting from some of your fellow bills fans on this site and just simply throw them a nod? Do you simply HAVE to be "right" against all odds and facts. A lot of people on message boards should give it a try! Like "hey man, you know what? I was off on that and you proved it. Thanks man! Happy Holidays. Go Bills!"

[FilthyBeast]

1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said:

Average GM? Okay… who is better? 
 

Which Brett Veach picks have 2nd contracts? 

 

Well I can tell you an obvious one, and the only one that matters but I'm sure you know who that is since he's best QB in the NFL and already led them to 2 SB's, a championship, 4 straight AFFCG at home (likely a 5th), etc.

 

RELAX.....we just need to get a SB win and then this type of petty criticism won't matter.

[JGMcD2]

7 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Pacheco is another 7th round pick that has outplayed our 2nd round pick RB so far and shows why never draft RB's before the 4th or 5th round

Pacheco is also outplaying their 1st round RB. Tell Veach not to draft RB so high… 

[FilthyBeast]

9 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

How about you f$#^&*g appreciate the kind and gentle education/proven rebuttal of your takes you're getting from some of your fellow bills fans on this site and just simply throw them a nod? Do you simply HAVE to be "right" against all odds and facts. A lot of people on message boards should give it a try! Like "hey man, you know what? I was off on that and you proved it. Thanks man! Happy Holidays. Go Bills!"

 

I have always admitting when I'm wrong here. I don't attack other posters or cry to mods either because I don't like what someone else says or accuse them of being fans of other teams just trolling.

 

Fact we are arguing and debating a 7th round bust WR is a good thing we can all agree about especially on a 9-3 team that still has legit SB aspirations.

 

Happy holidays and go bills as well.

Edited December 6, 2022 by FilthyBeast

[BringBackFlutie]

45 minutes ago, Logic said:

Tremon Smith and Khalil McKenzie are crucial to the Chiefs' playoff push this year. Darwin Thompson and Nick Alligretti are really killing it for them. Michael Danna and Thakarius Keyes are paramount to their success.

Oh wait, those are a bunch of nobodies. 

The hit rate from round 5 onward is awful for every team, including the Chiefs.

People have unrealistic expectations of what constitutes a good draft. Typically, if you can get 3-4 contributing players from each draft, you're doing great. Those that expect GMs to hit on every pick from round 1 to 7 every year simply don't know what they're looking at.

 

Could you like, get this off your chest without feeding trolls?

[Logic]

1 minute ago, BringBackFlutie said:

 

Could you like, get this off your chest without feeding trolls?

[Augie]

28 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Crush? Like Skyy Moore who they took in Round 2 this year? Who has 17 catches this year? Compared to Shakir who we took almost 100 picks later who has 8 catches? 

 

Ahh, but the grass is always greener, as we know. I bet they have plenty of whiners on any team message board. 

 

I like to look at the big picture. We were a team that had not tasted the playoffs for 17 straight years. (You may have heard about this.) Now? With McD and Beane we are a regular SB contender and even a favorite most of this year. We stand 9-3 with the #1 seed in the AFC with a couple insane/for the ages losses. We could, and probably should, be 11-1 right now. But we are not. It is what it is, and we are still currently the #1 seed. 

 

There is still a lot of football left to be played. None of us know how this will end, but I like where we sit compared to where we were before the current regime. Talks of win the SB or you should be fired is just craziness and often comes off as unreasonable and a bit immature. 

[dwight in philly]

Give Barkley back his #5 , frees up #11 to get Beasley now 

Edited December 6, 2022 by dwight in philly

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Not a hater my man, just a realist.

 

 

McDuffie looks like a stud, our first round pick is benched and has struggled for the most part. Many pundits also predicted this.

 

Karlaftis is coming along and looks like that lunch pail type of DE on the field whose going to get better and better.

 

Jaylen Watson looks like a 7th round steal and hasn't hit a wall like Benford after a promising start.

 

Leo Chanal has shown a lot more flashes than Bernard who has been a liability thus far on the field.

 

Pacheco is another 7th round pick that has outplayed our 2nd round pick RB so far and shows why never draft RB's before the 4th or 5th round.

 

Like I said not going to hit on every pick but you need to find you some studs and real contributors and Veach is a true 'Big balla' in that regard.

McDuffie has as many starts as Elam and less INTs and tackles. I'd even venture to say we have a better ranked pass defense. 

 

McDuffie grades a 76.0 and Elam rates 58.3 per PFF. So I'll give you that one but McDuffie benefitted from sitting most of the early season to learn more before being thrust in to start.

 

Pacheco has out rushed Cook but also had 51 more carries and Cook has a better YPC average.

 

Benford grades out at 55.6 and Watson a  52.4. so I think it's a wash.

 

A rookie drafted 30th overall in 2022 DE with 2.5 sacks and 11 solo tackles in 12 games might compare or be worse than a DE that was taken 30th overall the year before who had 4 sacks and 42 solo tackles in 17 games. 

 

Again you're over staying KC's drafting. I could go on and on if you'd like?

2 minutes ago, dwight in philly said:

Give Barkley back hi #5 , frees up #11 to get Beasley now 

Beasley isn't coming back bro. 

[Mr. WEO]

6 D chess

[GolfandBills]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

And now we wait for the ObJ announcement 

Bills already have an open roster spot prior to his release.  

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

Gross.

 

WR is another position that Beane has whiffed big with draft picks vs. FA signings.

 

Maybe they truly are all in on OBJ landing in OBD.

 

Whiffed big?  Gross?  He was a late round pick.  So was Davis and Shakir.  Davis has outplayed his 4th round draft pick.  Shakir hasnt been here long enough to say anything about. Diggs is one of the best receivers in the NFL.  Other past FA signings... John Brown and Cole Beasley.  Both played great for us.  You have a very poor definition of whiffed big.

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

That’s interesting. Wonder why they went this route, as opposed to allowing him to revert to IR

 

They likely want him on the practice squad. 

 

Procedure goes IR -> active roster -> release and go through waivers -> sign to PS if he clears

 

 

Be interesting to see what Buffalo East in NJ makes of this.

Edited December 6, 2022 by Beck Water

[Logic]

19 minutes ago, dwight in philly said:

Give Barkley back his #5 , frees up #11 to get Beasley now 

No shot.

Edited December 6, 2022 by Logic

[Don Otreply]

There is always “that guy” in a thread…,

[Tanoros]

11 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Whiffed big?  Gross?  He was a late round pick.  So was Davis and Shakir.  Davis has outplayed his 4th round draft pick.  Shakir hasnt been here long enough to say anything about. Diggs is one of the best receivers in the NFL.  Other past FA signings... John Brown and Cole Beasley.  Both played great for us.  You have a very poor definition of whiffed big.

I think this person is thinking about the ones that could have been drafted earlier. Like you said, Beane hasn’t done bad at all with the wr’s. However, I really hope Beane gets Josh another great wr talent. It could be TE, RB, WR, vet, rook anything. We just need someone else who can really take over like Diggs in the pass catching game. 

[LABILLBACKER]

Thank God, that took forever. 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

No shot.

 

Is that actually Belicheck's dog?

[KHAN]

1 hour ago, dwight in philly said:

Give Barkley back his #5 , frees up #11 to get Beasley now 

[PonyBoy]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

And now we wait for the ObJ announcement 

 

Or as a poster put here recently OJB signing...🤔

[K-9]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

That’s a Texas-sized ten four.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Is it bad I kind of hope someone claims him? 

[TwistofFate]

Buffalo signed DeSean Jackson