I'm glad we have McDermott

[section122]

24 minutes ago, mrags said:

The situations are 100% similar. A year ago you learned that many things can happen with a sneak up the middle. Like your Center can Botch the snap, the QB can botch the snap. Your Center can be blown up by a DT. Your “pro bowl” LT can be destroyed on the play. And your QB can slip and go down immediately. 
 

and here we are a year later, with the game on the line, just like last year. And he didn’t learn from that blunder. 
 

you know what would have worked better? Josh in shotgun with some room to play around. Send out your stud WR in Diggs as well as your other not so sure handed Davis, Knox, and McKenzie. If any of the 4 of them get open, you throw the ball. If they don’t, you run around and buy time long enough to throw the ball out of play. Rinse, repeat 2 more times. Kill some clock. And worst case, on 4th down, do it again, but this time take a safety instead of throwing it away. Then punt to the Vikings with less than 20 seconds on the clock. And hope your star studded defense that you have built with pretty much all of your early round draft picks over the last 4+ years, as well as just about every free agent acquisitions can actually do their jobs and stop them. 
 

but he would probably do that, get that far, and then play prevent defense and let the Vikings score anyway. 
 

id much rather give Allen, your face of the franchise, your pro bowl, MVP candidate, 3+ shots to find an open WR than hope everything goes 100% right in the situation that he went with. 
 

again, you want to be ok with our coaches failures, that’s fine. I don’t have to agree. 

 

This is an utterly ridiculous post.  Tell me you wouldn't be the first person here if something went wrong doing as you described.  Why didn't they just qb sneak for a yard and then go victory formation would have been the refrain. Or why didn't they run the ball and run the clock?

 

Here's the thing, you get the benefit of hindsight.  If it worked, the Bills win and nobody questions the decision.  The QB and center messed up the snap.  The most basic play in football.  Somehow that is on McD?

 

Every team will win and lose games. As pointed out to you Reid took forever to win a super bowl and he is thought of as one of the best coaches in the league.

 

Here is my question to all the McD complainers.  Name me the coach you want to replace him.  Pick any coach.  I will absolutely guarantee you I can find something that you wouldn't like with real in game/season success examples.  Please someone take me up on this.

[teef]

10 minutes ago, mrags said:

I never said no more sneaks. I said with the game on the line. Backed up into your own 1. Or on a 4th down when you have a mobile QB that can clearly make plays on his feet. His better option every single time is to not call a designed run. You let Allen be Allen. Find the open guy, or run it himself if he finds a lane. 
 

you’re funny dude. Keep making excuses for bad coaching decisions. 

it was a good call where execution failed.  it happens, but that wasn't coaching like when josh fumbled in the vikings game.  it's not 100% on coaching.  players have to follow through.

[mrags]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Well you said we shouldn't have QB sneaked against the Vikings because the year before against the Titans, we were unsuccessful.

So if we are in the same situation, ball at the 1 to sneak it in to win the game with it on the line...you throw out the sneak?  He can clearly make plays with his feet but he clearly also QB sneak it.  If you're looking purely at probability, the 4th and 1 QB sneak is his most successful play.  Nah...get rid of it!  99% isn't good enough.

Lets call a play in which he's roughly 60% successful at.  You're funny dude.

 

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I’m done arguing with you. It’s not a discussion anymore. I clearly will not change your mind and you clearly will not change mine. But the fact is, with the game on the line, he tried QB sneaks 2 times and lost them both. So Grats. You’re making excuses for your coach that has clearly failed. 

3 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

This is an utterly ridiculous post.  Tell me you wouldn't be the first person here if something went wrong doing as you described.  Why didn't they just qb sneak for a yard and then go victory formation would have been the refrain. Or why didn't they run the ball and run the clock?

 

Here's the thing, you get the benefit of hindsight.  If it worked, the Bills win and nobody questions the decision.  The QB and center messed up the snap.  The most basic play in football.  Somehow that is on McD?

 

Every team will win and lose games. As pointed out to you Reid took forever to win a super bowl and he is thought of as one of the best coaches in the league.

 

Here is my question to all the McD complainers.  Name me the coach you want to replace him.  Pick any coach.  I will absolutely guarantee you I can find something that you wouldn't like with real in game/season success examples.  Please someone take me up on this.

I never said replace him. I simply am not ok with him not learning from his own mistakes. You shouldn’t be either. But it appears you are. 

3 minutes ago, teef said:

it was a good call where execution failed.  it happens, but that wasn't coaching like when josh fumbled in the vikings game.  it's not 100% on coaching.  players have to follow through.

Coaches should know where there can be failures and what might work better. He’s failed. Period 

Edited December 7, 2022 by mrags

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No it is about Alex Smith (who made the Pro Bowl the prior and that year) on a playoff team, vs. Peterman already a proven disaster on a rebuilding team that was at the bottom of the league in offense. 

 

The plan was for Mahomes, who was a project, not to play his first year just like Allen.  

 

Allen was a massive project, one of the most polarizing prospects ever.  He still has haters today.  Maybe, just maybe McDermott didn't want to put Allen out there because of the lack of talent we had on offense.  We were taking massive cap hits with getting rid of Watkins, Dareus and Darby. 

 

Our WR were Kelvin Benjamin, Zay Jones, Deonte Thompson and Jordan Matthews.  Our OL was Dawkins/Ducasse/Bodine/Groy/Mills.  2018 was a throw away year to clear the cap for the next year and Allen wasn't supposed to start.  What happened next year?  Cole Beasley, John Brown, Frank Gore and Mitch Morse were signed.

 

I simply cannot believe you are giving credit to Reid for naming Mahomes starter in 2018 lol.  They traded up for him...of course he was going to name him starter lol.

 

 

7 minutes ago, mrags said:

I’m done arguing with you. It’s not a discussion anymore. I clearly will not change your mind and you clearly will not change mine. But the fact is, with the game on the line, he tried QB sneaks 2 times and lost them both. So Grats. You’re making excuses for your coach that has clearly failed. 

I never said replace him. I simply am not ok with him not learning from his own mistakes. You shouldn’t be either. But it appears you are. 

Coaches should know where there can be failures and what might work better. He’s failed. Period 

 

99% isn't good enough.  McDermott didn't tell Allen to not slip.  McDermott didn't tell Morse and Allen not to muff the snap.  All his fault.

[teef]

7 minutes ago, mrags said:

 

Coaches should know where there can be failures and what might work better. He’s failed. Period 

oh really?  a coach should know when a player will make a mistake?  there can be a failure any game, any play and any time.  this black and white concept that if anything bad happens, it the coaches fault is just lazy.  

[mrags]

8 minutes ago, teef said:

oh really?  a coach should know when a player will make a mistake?  there can be a failure any game, any play and any time.  this black and white concept that if anything bad happens, it the coaches fault is just lazy.  

Except he had the same scenario a year ago and he decided to run Allen up the middle and failed. Game on the line. If you don’t get it, you lose. And he lost. 

12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The plan was for Mahomes, who was a project, not to play his first year just like Allen.  

 

Allen was a massive project, one of the most polarizing prospects ever.  He still has haters today.  Maybe, just maybe McDermott didn't want to put Allen out there because of the lack of talent we had on offense.  We were taking massive cap hits with getting rid of Watkins, Dareus and Darby. 

 

Our WR were Kelvin Benjamin, Zay Jones, Deonte Thompson and Jordan Matthews.  Our OL was Dawkins/Ducasse/Bodine/Groy/Mills.  2018 was a throw away year to clear the cap for the next year and Allen wasn't supposed to start.  What happened next year?  Cole Beasley, John Brown, Frank Gore and Mitch Morse were signed.

 

I simply cannot believe you are giving credit to Reid for naming Mahomes starter in 2018 lol.  They traded up for him...of course he was going to name him starter lol.

 

 

 

99% isn't good enough.  McDermott didn't tell Allen to not slip.  McDermott didn't tell Morse and Allen not to muff the snap.  All his fault.

His fault he should know it’s very possible that there’s blinders on the play 

[LyndonvilleBill]

7 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Idiots don't come until the weekend.😉

I apologize to ALL of you for putting a jinx on this thread. I was SO WRONG and I am SORRY!!!🤣🤣🤣

[LeGOATski]

18 minutes ago, mrags said:

Coaches should know where there can be failures and what might work better.

This is gold.

 

Coach should obviously know you can't do a QB sneak with Josh Allen. He's terrible at QB sneaks.

 

 

😏

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, mrags said:

His fault he should know it’s very possible that there’s blinders on the play 

 

It's a freaking QB/Center exchange.  The most basic play in football that starts every play.  4th and 1 QB sneak is our most successful play.  Geezus dude.

99% isn't good enough.  60% is better lol.  Nice thought process.

2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

This is gold.

 

Coach should obviously know you can't do a QB sneak with Josh Allen. He's terrible at QB sneaks.

 

 

😏

 

It's so bizarre lol.

[teef]

5 minutes ago, mrags said:

Except he had the same scenario a year ago and he decided to run Allen up the middle and failed. Game on the line. If you don’t get it, you lose. And he lost. 

His fault he should know it’s very possible that there’s blinders on the play 

This is such an unreasonable post.  So because Allen slipped once on a qb sneak, he shouldn’t try a qb sneak when backed up against his end zone?   You really want to blame a botched handoff in the coach?   Ok…what play would you have run in the Vikings game?

[mrags]

11 minutes ago, teef said:

This is such an unreasonable post.  So because Allen slipped once on a qb sneak, he shouldn’t try a qb sneak when backed up against his end zone?   You really want to blame a botched handoff in the coach?   Ok…what play would you have run in the Vikings game?

I already told you what I would have done. And it would have given you 3 shots at a complete pass or a scramble by Josh on his own if he sees room. Instead we went with a play that could have been botched. Even if it’s not botched, you were on the half yard line, chances of getting out of the end zone are slim. 
 

I said it before and got sucked back in. I’m done. I’m not changing your mind and I really don’t care. Keep thinking McD makes sound decisions on game days. 

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It's a freaking QB/Center exchange.  The most basic play in football that starts every play.  4th and 1 QB sneak is our most successful play.  Geezus dude.

99% isn't good enough.  60% is better lol.  Nice thought process.

 

It's so bizarre lol.

I’m done. Just stop. 

[section122]

1 minute ago, mrags said:

 

I never said replace him. I simply am not ok with him not learning from his own mistakes. You shouldn’t be either. But it appears you are. 

 

So you are complaining just to complain then?  If you want no action then what is the point?

 

Do you really think McD doesn't learn from his mistakes? He talks all the time about self scouting.  Or do you feel that is just fluff?

[teef]

Just now, mrags said:

I already told you what I would have done. And it would have given you 3 shots at a complete pass or a scramble by Josh on his own if he sees room. Instead we went with a play that could have been botched. Even if it’s not botched, you were on the half yard line, chances of getting out of the end zone are slim. 
 

I said it before and got sucked back in. I’m done. I’m not changing your mind and I really don’t care. Keep thinking McD makes sound decisions on game days. 

and what if josh throws a pick in that territory.  what if he's sacked?  every play in football has potential to be botched.  of course you're done.  you're unreasonable.  you think every loss is on the coach, and that's not necessarily true at all.  players can lose games, and that's happened this year.   try to be willing to look at the big picture rather than just pointing the blame at one person.  coaches can always shoulder some aspect of the game, but what you're doing is just meaty.

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

46 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The plan was for Mahomes, who was a project, not to play his first year just like Allen.  

 

Allen was a massive project, one of the most polarizing prospects ever.  He still has haters today.  Maybe, just maybe McDermott didn't want to put Allen out there because of the lack of talent we had on offense.  We were taking massive cap hits with getting rid of Watkins, Dareus and Darby. 

 

Our WR were Kelvin Benjamin, Zay Jones, Deonte Thompson and Jordan Matthews.  Our OL was Dawkins/Ducasse/Bodine/Groy/Mills.  2018 was a throw away year to clear the cap for the next year and Allen wasn't supposed to start.  What happened next year?  Cole Beasley, John Brown, Frank Gore and Mitch Morse were signed.

 

I simply cannot believe you are giving credit to Reid for naming Mahomes starter in 2018 lol.  They traded up for him...of course he was going to name him starter lol.

 

 

 

99% isn't good enough.  McDermott didn't tell Allen to not slip.  McDermott didn't tell Morse and Allen not to muff the snap.  All his fault.

He chose Peterman.  You can not defend Peterman.  All credibility is lost when Peterman was named the starter. 

 

Alex Smith was a Pro-Bowl QB and a top 4 AFC team.  Naming a rookie the Starter on a team coming off a 12-4 record was not gooing to happen.

 

We've seen the same playing out in SF and the issues in GB.

 

Once the Bills got rid of Tyrod & drafted Allen they should have been building an offense for him.

 

I will say it again  Peterman   

 

 

Edited December 7, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[mrags]

8 minutes ago, teef said:

and what if josh throws a pick in that territory.  what if he's sacked?  every play in football has potential to be botched.  of course you're done.  you're unreasonable.  you think every loss is on the coach, and that's not necessarily true at all.  players can lose games, and that's happened this year.   try to be willing to look at the big picture rather than just pointing the blame at one person.  coaches can always shoulder some aspect of the game, but what you're doing is just meaty.

 

 

K. Got it. Have fun 

11 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

So you are complaining just to complain then?  If you want no action then what is the point?

 

Do you really think McD doesn't learn from his mistakes? He talks all the time about self scouting.  Or do you feel that is just fluff?

Yes I think it’s Fluff. I 100% believe that he preaches learning from mistakes but doesn’t practice it himself. 

[Billsfan1972]

The QB sneak is the right play.  Every good team and especially one with a QB like Allen you get to the line and snap immediately and go forward (take a look at Jalen Hurts and how simply they convert them).  They didn't vs. Tenn and looked a little unprepared.

 

Vs. Minny again if McD was so well prepared and has his team the same, it never happens.  Again they looked lost on that play.

 

I'm not blaming McD for Minny and that fumble, but for all those telling us how the Bills are so well coached and prepared, they blew it there.

 

Live by the sword, die by the sword (those defending McD at all costs).

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

The QB sneak is the right play.  Every good team and especially one with a QB like Allen you get to the line and snap immediately and go forward (take a look at Jalen Hurts and how simply they convert them).  They didn't vs. Tenn and looked a little unprepared.

 

Vs. Minny again if McD was so well prepared and has his team the same, it never happens.  Again they looked lost on that play.

 

I'm not blaming McD for Minny and that fumble, but for all those telling us how the Bills are so well coached and prepared, they blew it there.

 

Live by the sword, die by the sword (those defending McD at all costs).

no one is defending mcd at all costs, but people are certainly blaming him at all costs.   how did the bills look lost on that play?  it's a bizarre narrative that you're conjuring up to place the blame.  it was a mishandled snap that was turned over.  it happens unfortunately, but place the blame on the people that mishandled that snap.  our expensive qb and center.  both are pros and should have made that work.

[Billsfan1972]

9 minutes ago, teef said:

no one is defending mcd at all costs, but people are certainly blaming him at all costs.   how did the bills look lost on that play?  it's a bizarre narrative that you're conjuring up to place the blame.  it was a mishandled snap that was turned over.  it happens unfortunately, but place the blame on the people that mishandled that snap.  our expensive qb and center.  both are pros and should have made that work.

Again I never have made a thing about the play.  If anything it was OT and the Allen pick that to me really made no sense and still never clearly explained what happened there.    

 

 

To me the play seemed off and I was just mentioning more so the Tennessee snafu.  Teef ignore this as I'm not debating the sneak.  

 

Edit I just watched the fumble and it appears Allen wasn't under center.  How does that happen?

Edited December 7, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, section122 said:

 

This is an utterly ridiculous post.  Tell me you wouldn't be the first person here if something went wrong doing as you described.  Why didn't they just qb sneak for a yard and then go victory formation would have been the refrain. Or why didn't they run the ball and run the clock?

 

Here's the thing, you get the benefit of hindsight.  If it worked, the Bills win and nobody questions the decision.  The QB and center messed up the snap.  The most basic play in football.  Somehow that is on McD?

 

Every team will win and lose games. As pointed out to you Reid took forever to win a super bowl and he is thought of as one of the best coaches in the league.

 

Here is my question to all the McD complainers.  Name me the coach you want to replace him.  Pick any coach.  I will absolutely guarantee you I can find something that you wouldn't like with real in game/season success examples.  Please someone take me up on this.

 

If Bill Belichik were to leave NE and want to coach elsewhere (somewhat realistic based on NE current state of affairs) I would dump McD without thinking twice about it and I think most Bills fans would be lying if the said otherwise.

 

Other current/recent head coaches I would most certainly take based on their resumes if available: Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy, Doug Peterson, Zac Taylor,  Mike Vrabel, Mike Tomlin, Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll.

 

Again it's not McD is a bad coach, but the facts (and history) say he's not good enough to take this team to the next level like a large majority of the guys I listed have done at least one time minus Taylor/Vrabel.

[teef]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

If Bill Belichik were to leave NE and want to coach elsewhere (somewhat realistic based on NE current state of affairs) I would dump McD without thinking twice about it and I think most Bills fans would be lying if the said otherwise.

 

Other current/recent head coaches I would most certainly take based on their resumes if available: Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy, Doug Peterson, Zac Taylor,  Mike Vrabel, Mike Tomlin, Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll.

 

Again it's not McD is a bad coach, but the facts (and history) say he's not good enough to take this team to the next level like a large majority of the guys I listed have done at least one time minus Taylor/Vrabel.

it would be so awesome when he makes patricia our OC.  that team is a mess and it's on belichik.  i wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot poll.  he's done.

[Billsfan1972]

I too want McD raising the Lombardi this year!!!!  Hope that make Teef & Royale with Cheese happy......😝😉

[Don Beebe]

In my humble opinion anyone who ***** about Coach McDermott should be forced to have Hank Boullogh for coach for a couple years. Remember when he got stuck in the elevator?

[Billsfanatic8989]

5 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

If Bill Belichik were to leave NE and want to coach elsewhere (somewhat realistic based on NE current state of affairs) I would dump McD without thinking twice about it and I think most Bills fans would be lying if the said otherwise.

 

Other current/recent head coaches I would most certainly take based on their resumes if available: Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy, Doug Peterson, Zac Taylor,  Mike Vrabel, Mike Tomlin, Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll.

 

Again it's not McD is a bad coach, but the facts (and history) say he's not good enough to take this team to the next level like a large majority of the guys I listed have done at least one time minus Taylor/Vrabel.

I would definitely take McVay, Shanahan, Reid, & Carroll over him.

 

Would need to think about Peterson & Payton. I mean Payton made three NFC title games in 15 years with a HOF QB. Not impressive.

 

I wouldn't take any of the bolded guys over him. McCarthy & Tomlin? Seriously? No way.

[teef]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I too want McD raising the Lombardi this year!!!!  Hope that make Teef & Royale with Cheese happy......😝😉

of course it would.  and you'd still find something wrong with the game.

[ddaryl]

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

I think this is pretty dramatic.  If we don't win the Super Bowl this will be a follie?  This isn't the 1992 Dream Team that it that much better than anyone else and beat everyone by 60.  We have a great roster but so do other teams.  The Chiefs, Eagles, Cowboys and Bengals are all good enough to win the Super Bowl.

 

There is always going to be a list of teams that "can" win the Superbowl... but that still does not make it acceptable for us to fail to get there.... especially this season.

 

Been a fan since the early 70s when I was kid. I no longer have the patience for 13 seconds, homerun throwbacks, or wide right, or even losses to the Jets and Miami this year when we had Allen and and revamped DL with Von Miller. We have a great QB and great players but yet we stumble... I guess some fans can accept our follies year after year... I can no longer just accept it, not when we have the players more than capable of not coming up short yet again.

 

Home field advantage is must but yet we keep finding ways to let slip through our grasp. We are back on track for now but I will not be happy if we lose HFA. Its an expectation , and I fully expect the Bills to be more than capable of not fubarring the whole thing up ....  If they lose HFA and then lose in the playoffs are you going to say "shucky darns will get them next year kiddo's" .

Now if your all ok with coming up short and can't be bothered to be a little upset with it then Good for You.. I guess

I've waited a long time for a team like this and anything short of the ultimate goal wil be dissappointing, and the fact is there will be reasons for it and somebody is responsible for those reasons, both good and bad... However coming up short of the ultimate goal is a squnadered chance and "Next Year" is not something I enjoy having to say anymore.

 

 

Edited December 7, 2022 by ddaryl

[Royale with Cheese]

40 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

He chose Peterman.  You can not defend Peterman.  All credibility is lost when Peterman was named the starter. 

 

Alex Smith was a Pro-Bowl QB and a top 4 AFC team.  Naming a rookie the Starter on a team coming off a 12-4 record was not gooing to happen.

 

We've seen the same playing out in SF and the issues in GB.

 

Once the Bills got rid of Tyrod & drafted Allen they should have been building an offense for him.

 

I will say it again  Peterman   

 

 

 

They brought in Morse, Brown, Gore and Beasley in 2019 and a few other FA in 2019.  They followed that up with Diggs in 2020.  

 

I said the plan was for Mahomes to sit his first year.  Why are you bringing up Alex Smith starting?  The plan was for Allen to sit as well, he was a project and we tore our roster down to build starting 2019.

[Billsfan1972]

17 hours ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

That is not true. but I'm not going to sing his praises if our failures keep popping up. I will equally be upset with the franchise as whole for coming up short yet again.

There is always going to be a list of teams that "can" win the Superbowl... but that still does not make it acceptable for us to fail to get there.... especially this season.

 

Been a fan since the early 70s when I was kid. I no longer have the patience for 13 seconds, homerun throwbacks, or wide right, or even losses to the Jets and Miami this year when we had Allen and and revamped DL with Von Miller. We have a great QB and great players but yet we stumble... I guess some fans can accept our follies year after year... I can no longer just accept it, not when we have the players more than capable of not coming up short yet again.

 

Home field advantage is must but yet we keep finding ways to let slip through our grasp. We are back on track for now but I will not be happy if we lose HFA. Its an expectation , and I fully expect the Bills to be more than capable of not fubarring the whole thing up ....  If they lose HFA and then lose in the playoffs are you going to say "shucky darns will get them next year kiddo's" .

Now if your all ok with coming up short and can't be bothered to be a little upset with it then Good for You.. I guess

I've waited a long time for a team like this and anything short of the ultimate goal wil be dissappointing, and the fact is there will be reasons for it and somebody is responsible for those reasons, both good and bad... However coming up short of the ultimate goal is a squnadered chance and "Next Year" is not something I enjoy having to say anymore.

 

 

And there was no way the 1990 Bills should have lost the SB.  And yes as big a fan I was of Marv, he bares a lot of the blame in that he didn't have the Bills prepared that week (way too much fun), the defense allowed too much underneath and allowed the Giants to control the ball and the last drive was like they were stuck in molasses and should have been a minimum 10 yards closer.

 

17 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

They brought in Morse, Brown, Gore and Beasley in 2019 and a few other FA in 2019.  They followed that up with Diggs in 2020.  

 

I said the plan was for Mahomes to sit his first year.  Why are you bringing up Alex Smith starting?  The plan was for Allen to sit as well, he was a project and we tore our roster down to build starting 2019.

The Bills did not have a starting QB that year.  Let me repeat Peterman.  Do you not understand what that means?  

 

I also have posted so many times that I thought they brought Allen along way too conservatively and had no pieces ready to help him (i.e. a veteran QB or WRs) in his rookie season.  

Edited December 8, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[Royale with Cheese]

14 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

There is always going to be a list of teams that "can" win the Superbowl... but that still does not make it acceptable for us to fail to get there.... especially this season.

 

Been a fan since the early 70s when I was kid. I no longer have the patience for 13 seconds, homerun throwbacks, or wide right, or even losses to the Jets and Miami this year when we had Allen and and revamped DL with Von Miller. We have a great QB and great players but yet we stumble... I guess some fans can accept our follies year after year... I can no longer just accept it, not when we have the players more than capable of not coming up short yet again.

 

Home field advantage is must but yet we keep finding ways to let slip through our grasp. We are back on track for now but I will not be happy if we lose HFA. Its an expectation , and I fully expect the Bills to be more than capable of not fubarring the whole thing up ....  If they lose HFA and then lose in the playoffs are you going to say "shucky darns will get them next year kiddo's" .

Now if your all ok with coming up short and can't be bothered to be a little upset with it then Good for You.. I guess

I've waited a long time for a team like this and anything short of the ultimate goal wil be dissappointing, and the fact is there will be reasons for it and somebody is responsible for those reasons, both good and bad... However coming up short of the ultimate goal is a squnadered chance and "Next Year" is not something I enjoy having to say anymore.

 

 

 

Just because I don't get as dramatic as you doesn't mean I don't get bothered or upset.  Some people are just better composed.

 

Home Field advantage is not a must.  

 

No I won't say "shucky darns will get them next year kiddos."  I guess I'm a Leave it to Beaver character because I can control my emotions?

 

Not reaching the ultimate goal would be disappointing but it will not be a follie unless we don't even make the playoffs.

8 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I also have posted so many times that I thought they brought Allen along way too conservatively and had no pieces ready to help him (i.e. a veteran QB or WRs) in his rookie season.  

 

Dude, we were $70 million in dead cap hell in 2018.  That's why we couldn't get active in FA until 2019.

Did you forget this or something?

 

https://thebuffalofanatics.com/how-the-buffalo-bills-turned-their-dead-cap-from-handicap-to-strength/

 

The number that is mind-blowing above is the dead cap for the 2018 season. Consider this, the Buffalo Bills made the playoffs to end the drought in 2017 and Brandon Beane immediately begins his rebuild. In doing so, he takes on $70 million in dead cap space. For reference, the Giants were second in dead cap that season with $44 million. The $70 million in dead cap is the largest amount of dead cap that an NFL team has ever had.

[Billsfan1972]

27 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Just because I don't get as dramatic as you doesn't mean I don't get bothered or upset.  Some people are just better composed.

 

Home Field advantage is not a must.  

 

No I won't say "shucky darns will get them next year kiddos."  I guess I'm a Leave it to Beaver character because I can control my emotions?

 

Not reaching the ultimate goal would be disappointing but it will not be a follie unless we don't even make the playoffs.

 

Dude, we were $70 million in dead cap hell in 2018.  That's why we couldn't get active in FA until 2019.

Did you forget this or something?

 

https://thebuffalofanatics.com/how-the-buffalo-bills-turned-their-dead-cap-from-handicap-to-strength/

 

The number that is mind-blowing above is the dead cap for the 2018 season. Consider this, the Buffalo Bills made the playoffs to end the drought in 2017 and Brandon Beane immediately begins his rebuild. In doing so, he takes on $70 million in dead cap space. For reference, the Giants were second in dead cap that season with $44 million. The $70 million in dead cap is the largest amount of dead cap that an NFL team has ever had.

Enough rehashing the Bills narrative from 2018.  I will just say that McD had no patience or interest in the Offense his first 3 years.  JMHO, let's leave it at that.

 

Now you maybe okay with a first round loss this year, but others are not as these are heady times for Bills fans.  I do expect the top seed and SB appearance.

 

You seem not so bothered by it.

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Enough rehashing the Bills narrative from 2018.  I will just say that McD had no patience or interest in the Offense his first 3 years.  JMHO, let's leave it at that.

 

You literally could not be more wrong about the bolded.  Everything that @Royale with Cheeseis telling you is spot on and the real facts.  These bolded hot takes above are not a reflection of the reality of what was the first years of this regime.  

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Enough rehashing the Bills narrative from 2018.  I will just say that McD had no patience or interest in the Offense his first 3 years.  JMHO, let's leave it at that.

 

Now you maybe okay with a first round loss this year, but others are not as these are heady times for Bills fans.  I do expect the top seed and SB appearance.

 

You seem not so bothered by it.

 

In 2019, we signed John Brown, Cole Beasley and made Mitch Morse the highest paid center in the NFL.  You're right, we needed offensive players and those guys all play defense.  

 

You are such a drama queen.

 

"You don't whine, cry and moan on this message board as much as I do.  That means you're okay with a 1st round playoff loss and not bothered if we don't make a Super Bowl".

Grow up.

[ColoradoBills]

On 12/6/2022 at 10:59 AM, Inigo Montoya said:

That being said, this place turns into a suicide cult after every loss and there are a fair number of trolls who come here to stir the pot.

 

That's so funny....................because it's true!

[Chaos]

20 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

The grass is always greener explanation is easy to contemplate but difficult to reproduce in reality... this team has had some really bad injury luck this season and we are 9-3. That doesn't just happen with any head coach, and especially not "more than half".

 

You dogging McDermott with just blanket statements based on your opinion is noted.

Name 16 teams that would not make the playoffs with Josh Allen as QB this year.  If you can I will agree I was wrong. 

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Name 16 teams that would not make the playoffs with Josh Allen as QB this year.  If you can I will agree I was wrong. 

This is the issue. At some point you have to look at the best QB in the league and one of the best defenses and ask why they haven't won a championship.

[Billsfan1972]

42 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

This is the issue. At some point you have to look at the best QB in the league and one of the best defenses and ask why they haven't won a championship.

Now the excuse is Von Miller.

 

I still have faith that they will win it but excuses are lining up perfectly right now.

46 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Name 16 teams that would not make the playoffs with Josh Allen as QB this year.  If you can I will agree I was wrong. 

It's not just his passing it's his legs that make the difference. Because we know someone will say Green Bay and I'd say put him in there and the threat of the run and let's see what happens.

Edited December 7, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[The Jokeman]

3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And there was no way the 1990 Bills should have lost the SB.  And yes as big a fan I was of Marv, he bares a lot of the blame in that he didn't have the Bills prepared that week (way too much fun), the defense allowed too much underneath and and allowed the Giants to control the ball and the last drive was like they were stuck in molasses and should have been a minimum 10 yards closer.

 

The Bills did not have a starting QB that year.  Let me repeat Peterman.

 

I also have posted so many times that I thought they brought Allen along way too conservatively and had no pieces ready to help him (i.e. a veteran QB or WRs) in his rookie season.  

Don't forget we signed AJ McCarron who while not a proven starter showed promise in limited starts in Cincy but for whatever reason failed here. Then getting Derek Anderson was a God sent as think he did wonders to teach Josh how to prepare and be a starting NFL QB while Josh recovered.

[Billsfan1972]

6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Don't forget we signed AJ McCarron who while not a proven starter showed promise in limited starts in Cincy but for whatever reason failed here. Then getting Derek Anderson was a God sent as think he did wonders to teach Josh how to prepare and be a starting NFL QB while Josh recovered.

Well good thing he didn't learn from Peterman.....😆

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Now the excuse is Von Miller.

 

I still have faith that they will win it but excuses are lining up perfectly right now.

It's not just his passing it's his legs that make the difference. Because we know someone will say Green Bay and I'd say put him in there and the threat of the run and let's see what happens.

 

Let me ask. Are you always this miserable? 

6 hours ago, teef said:

and what if josh throws a pick in that territory.  what if he's sacked?  every play in football has potential to be botched.  of course you're done.  you're unreasonable.  you think every loss is on the coach, and that's not necessarily true at all.  players can lose games, and that's happened this year.   try to be willing to look at the big picture rather than just pointing the blame at one person.  coaches can always shoulder some aspect of the game, but what you're doing is just meaty.

 

 

 

Fumble or mis snap is worst in that situation being close to goaline.  As well as Vikings understand that formation. Predictable makes things lots easier.

Edited December 8, 2022 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[Scott7975]

[Boatdrinks]

9 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

They brought in Morse, Brown, Gore and Beasley in 2019 and a few other FA in 2019.  They followed that up with Diggs in 2020.  

 

I said the plan was for Mahomes to sit his first year.  Why are you bringing up Alex Smith starting?  The plan was for Allen to sit as well, he was a project and we tore our roster down to build starting 2019.

Agree , Allen was a raw rookie and you had to be careful not to ruin him. Those plans went awry and he was pressed into service. Peterman had looked good in practice but when things got real he tanked in a hurry. You had two unknowns at QB, so the reasoning was sound.