LeGOATski Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said: This is completely asinine. The original poster is questioning the validity of Sean McDermott as a head coach as McDermott has been a head coach for five complete years without a Super Bowl championship. Did you bother to look up that it took Andy Reid 20 years as a head coach to win a championship as a head coach? According to your "facts" and implications that if a coach hasn't won it all in a handful of years that he's not good enough, Reid should have never gotten the gig as KC's head coach. Right? That's a fact that he went far over a decade without a championship so KC was foolish to hire him, right? I don't know if McDermott is the right coach for the bills (I suspect he's pretty darn good) but your argument is far beyond flawed. There are 32 teams in the league; with parity, it will take each and every team to 32 years to win one championship... But you're suggesting if a coach hasn't won it all in a half decade he should be highly suspect as incapable of ever doing so. Please tell me you're not a math teacher or philosophy professor. tl;dr - you obviously missed the part where @Chaosis not trying to imply anything, he's just posting facts, OKAY?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 5 hours ago, Chaos said: He has had a good impact on the franchise. My concern is that he is the Kirk Cousins of coaches. Better than obvious replacements, but not likely to win a championship. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you are dead on correct. McDermott cannot win a championship because he's not a championship winning caliber coach. And that over the next 5 seasons (beyond 2022) he will NOT win a championship. Rolling into that 2028 season, the people who are supporting him here, now, would be supporting him then. It's just what they do. By the same token, if we fired McDermott this off-season, and his replacement wins a SB in 2 years, it would become commonly acceptable around here to throw out McDermott jokes, with the butt of the joke being McDermott's incompetence. So really, you can't win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Chaos said: Only five NFL HC's have been with their current NFL teams longer than Sean McDermott. Andy Ried, (loss to McDermott) Bill Bellichek, (will likely lose to McDermott twice) Pete Carrol, John Harbaugh (loss to McDermott) Mike Tomlin (loss to McDermott) All have Super Bowl wins. And multiple appearances. Head coaches with shorter tenures and super bowl appearances include Sean McVay (hired same year as McDermott) (loss to McDermott) Kyle Shanahan (hired same year as McDermott) Zac Taylor As an aside here are coaches with wins against Sean McDermott's AFC East Third Place team in 2022 Mike McDaniel (rookie) Kevin O'Connell (rookie) Robert Saleh (second year) my additions added in Bold since if it is important to point out the coaches McDermott has loss to we might as well as point out who he has beaten. And that is only for this year. I think McDermott is 2-0 career against McVay? 1-0 against Shanhan? 1-0 against Carrol? winning records against Tomlin and Harbaugh. Has handed Belicheck his worst loss of his coaching career and beaten him in 4 of the last 5 meetings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 41 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you are dead on correct. McDermott cannot win a championship because he's not a championship winning caliber coach. And that over the next 5 seasons (beyond 2022) he will NOT win a championship. Rolling into that 2028 season, the people who are supporting him here, now, would be supporting him then. It's just what they do. By the same token, if we fired McDermott this off-season, and his replacement wins a SB in 2 years, it would become commonly acceptable around here to throw out McDermott jokes, with the butt of the joke being McDermott's incompetence. So really, you can't win. You really have not thought this all the way through your thinking that another coach is going to come in here and win a Super Bowl within two years? Do you think it’s that easy to find a Super Bowl winning coach? Meanwhile, McDermott has been good enough to have us right there at the end every year one play away from playing in the big game, pretty much bringing in a new coach could also go the other direction and put us back into purgatory for another 10 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 7 hours ago, Chaos said: Only five NFL HC's have been with their current NFL teams longer than Sean McDermott. Andy Ried, Bill Bellichek, Pete Carrol, John Harbaugh Mike Tomlin All have Super Bowl wins. And multiple appearances. Head coaches with shorter tenures and super bowl appearances include Sean McVay (hired same year as McDermott) Kyle Shanahan (hired same year as McDermott) Zac Taylor As an aside here are coaches with wins against Sean McDermott's AFC East Third Place team in 2022 Mike McDaniel (rookie) Kevin O'Connell (rookie) Robert Saleh (second year) Bills fans are the most patient. In almost every other NFL fanbase Mr. McDermott would be "on the hot seat" So based off math, he’s a top 25% HC. What’s interesting to me is the three HC ahead of him with less tenure are all offensive minded coaches 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 9 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Patience? We've been to the playoffs four of the last five years after patiently waiting 17 years. We'd be nuts to fire McDermott. I don't like this. I don't like it anytime people compare McDermott to the past 17 years. That's not the standard. We can't just accept "better than it used to be" if it's not good enough to win the Super Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Virgil said: So based off math, he’s a top 25% HC. What’s interesting to me is the three HC ahead of him with less tenure are all offensive minded coaches His logic is also flawed-how could 2 of those guys have shorter tenures if they were hired at the same time as McDermott?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Chaos said: Only five NFL HC's have been with their current NFL teams longer than Sean McDermott. Andy Ried, Bill Bellichek, Pete Carrol, John Harbaugh Mike Tomlin All have Super Bowl wins. And multiple appearances. Head coaches with shorter tenures and super bowl appearances include Sean McVay (hired same year as McDermott) Kyle Shanahan (hired same year as McDermott) Zac Taylor As an aside here are coaches with wins against Sean McDermott's AFC East Third Place team in 2022 Mike McDaniel (rookie) Kevin O'Connell (rookie) Robert Saleh (second year) Bills fans are the most patient. In almost every other NFL fanbase Mr. McDermott would be "on the hot seat" And…..boom. Facts folks. McDermott is a bad HC covered up by a generational talented QB who’s being wasted. Doug Collins 2.0. Edited November 19, 2022 by McBean 1 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 1 minute ago, McBean said: And…..boom. Facts folks. McDermott is a bad HC covered up by a generational talent QB who’s being wasted. Doug Collins 2.0. Just change your username to Bean 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 This has to be the year, if not I predict some very unhappy people here. Unless you want to play the injury card.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 The great Andy Reid’s first SB appearance in KC came in his 7th season as head coach of the Chiefs. And it took the generational talent of Patrick Mahomes to get him there. He couldn’t get past the divisional round with Alex Smith. In Philadelphia, he made one SB but other than that his Eagles teams lost 4 NFC championship games all to different teams. See, these are facts too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 50 minutes ago, McBean said: And…..boom. Facts folks. McDermott is a bad HC covered up by a generational talented QB who’s being wasted. Doug Collins 2.0. I guess Andy reid sucks, too. Great logic. Unreal how people will use useless trivia and facts to try to prove a point. Just shows a lack of critical thinking. You qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) Someone tell me how long it took each of those coaches to win the first Superbowl. Andy Reid was a HC from 1994 and he didnt win a Super Bowl until 2019... Bill Belichick HC from 1991, won first Super Bowl 2001 Pete Caroll HC from 1994, won first Super Bowl 2013 Edited November 19, 2022 by TBBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Chaos said: Only five NFL HC's have been with their current NFL teams longer than Sean McDermott. Andy Ried, Bill Bellichek, Pete Carrol, John Harbaugh Mike Tomlin All have Super Bowl wins. And multiple appearances. Head coaches with shorter tenures and super bowl appearances include Sean McVay (hired same year as McDermott) Kyle Shanahan (hired same year as McDermott) Zac Taylor As an aside here are coaches with wins against Sean McDermott's AFC East Third Place team in 2022 Mike McDaniel (rookie) Kevin O'Connell (rookie) Robert Saleh (second year) Bills fans are the most patient. In almost every other NFL fanbase Mr. McDermott would be "on the hot seat" Nonsense, "most patient." What crap!! He's simply among the five or six absolute best coaches in the league, and Bills fans recognize it. He's doing a terrific job, and only a few people, no names of course, don't get that. And that thing about only five head coaches have five years or longer is a statistical fluke. Belichick had five full years with the Browns and a record of 36 - 44. As of last year, Zimmer was in his 8th year without an SB Reid had 14 years in Philly without a Super Bowl win. They had that longevity because they were very good coaches, even without Lombardis. As is McDermott. "Most patient." What crap! Edited November 19, 2022 by Thurman#1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 10 hours ago, Chaos said: He has had a good impact on the franchise. My concern is that he is the Kirk Cousins of coaches. Better than obvious replacements, but not likely to win a championship. He's the Marty Scottenhiemer of coaches. Marty took the Chargers who were the laughing stock of the league and restored them to respectability but he could never get them over the hump to win a championship. Marty like McD made strange bone headed call after bone headed call in the playoffs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 1 hour ago, McBean said: And…..boom. Facts folks. McDermott is a bad HC covered up by a generational talented QB who’s being wasted. Doug Collins 2.0. And .... boom. Missing the point, folks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp566 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 It’s a huge thing in the nfl to be consistent year over year. I’d much rather have sustained success as opposed to 1 great year and then back to mediocrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 31 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: He's the Marty Scottenhiemer of coaches. Marty took the Chargers who were the laughing stock of the league and restored them to respectability but he could never get them over the hump to win a championship. Marty like McD made strange bone headed call after bone headed call in the playoffs What happened when the chargers fired schottenheimer? They haven't won 14 games since that year, they made it to 1 afc championship game the next year, and then lost the divisional round (same as marty) the next 2 years. Since then? They made the playoffs twice in 13 years. Firing marty was dumb just like firing mcd would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) It seems most people have this vision of a slow grind of building a team and then advancing step by step through the years. In real life, it is more like catching lightning in a bottle. In the NFL the lightning is getting the right Starting QB / HC combo. During the super bowl era, this is a list of how long each Starting QB/HC combo was together before winning their first champhionship together. A couple of notes, Lombardi/Starr won NFL championships together before the Super Bowl era. Stram/Dawson's first championship together was an AFL championship Next, a review of this list makes a strong case that Joe Gibbs is the greatest coach in NFL history. The mean average of time together before winning the first championship in the super bowl era is 2.5 Years. Only once were a coach and starting QB together for more than four years before winning their first championship together. (Ken Stabler/ John Madden in 1976). In terms of winning a championship, the Bills are in nearly uncharted waters vs history. Season QB-Coach Combo First Championship Together 1966 Bart Starr*MVP-Vince Lombardi Year 2 1967 Bart Starr*MVP-Vince Lombardi (2) Year 2 1968 Joe Namath*MVP-Weeb Ewbank Year 3 1969 Len Dawson*MVP-Hank Stram Year 1 1970 Johnny Unitas*-Don McCafferty Year 8 1971 Roger Staubach*MVP-Tom Landry Year 2 1972 Bob Griese*-Don Shula Year 3 1973 Bob Griese*-Don Shula (2) Year 3 1974 Terry Bradshaw*-Chuck Noll Year 4 1975 Terry Bradshaw*-Chuck Noll (2) Year 4 1976 Ken Stabler*-John Madden Year 6 1977 Roger Staubach*-Tom Landry (2) Year 2 1978 Terry Bradshaw*MVP-Chuck Noll (3) Year 4 1979 Terry Bradshaw*MVP-Chuck Noll (4) Year 4 1980 Jim PlunkettMVP-Tom Flores Year 1 1981 Joe Montana*MVP-Bill Walsh Year 3 1982 Joe Theismann-Joe Gibbs Year 2 1983 Jim Plunkett-Tom Flores (2) Year 1 1984 Joe Montana*MVP-Bill Walsh (2) Year 3 1985 Jim McMahon-Mike Ditka Year 4 1986 Phil SimmsMVP-Bill Parcells Year 3 1987 Doug WilliamsMVP-Joe Gibbs (2) Year 2 1988 Joe Montana*-Bill Walsh (3) Year 3 1989 Joe Montana*MVP-George Seifert Year 1 1990 Jeff Hostetler-Bill Parcells (2) Year 1 1991 Mark RypienMVP-Joe Gibbs (3) Year 4 1992 Troy Aikman*MVP-Jimmy Johnson Year 3 1993 Troy Aikman*-Jimmy Johnson (2) Year 3 1994 Steve Young*MVP-George Seifert (2) Year 3 1995 Troy Aikman*-Barry Switzer Year 2 1996 Brett Favre*-Mike Holmgren Year 3 1997 John Elway*-Mike Shanahan Year 3 1998 John Elway*MVP-Mike Shanahan (2) Year 3 1999 Kurt Warner*MVP-Dick Vermeil Year 2 2000 Trent Dilfer-Brian Billick Year 1 2001 Tom BradyMVP-Bill Belichick Year 2 2002 Brad Johnson-Jon Gruden Year 1 2003 Tom BradyMVP-Bill Belichick (2) Year 2 2004 Tom Brady-Bill Belichick (3) Year 2 2005 Ben Roethlisberger-Bill Cowher Year 2 2006 Peyton Manning*MVP-Tony Dungy Year 4 2007 Eli ManningMVP-Tom Coughlin Year 3 2008 Ben Roethlisberger-Mike Tomlin Year 2 2009 Drew BreesMVP-Sean Payton Year 3 2010 Aaron RodgersMVP-Mike McCarthy Year 3 2011 Eli ManningMVP-Tom Coughlin (2) Year 3 2012 Joe FlaccoMVP-John Harbaugh Year 4 2013 Russell Wilson-Pete Carroll Year 2 2014 Tom BradyMVP-Bill Belichick (4) Year 2 2015 Peyton Manning*-Gary Kubiak Year 1 2016 Tom BradyMVP-Bill Belichick (5) Year 2 2017 Nick FolesMVP-Doug Pederson Year 1 2018 Tom Brady-Bill Belichick (6) Year 2 2019 Patrick MahomesMVP-Andy Reid Year 2 2020 Tom BradyMVP-Bruce Arians Year 2 2021 Matthew Stafford-Sean McVay Year 1 Edited November 19, 2022 by Chaos 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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