ArtVandalay Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 The fact is too many fans have low esteem and their only defense is the Bills sucked for a while before him. Pretty bad reason. Some fans just want to be relevant. Others want to win. It's that simple. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Chaos said: I think its funny that people thumbs down or puke on the first post in the thread which expresses no opinions and simply lists out a series of facts. A lot of people don't like facts. I think your OP pointed out some valid realities of how you can be the victim of your own success. Higher achievements lead to higher expectations. Whenever expectations are not met a coach can start to get on the hot seat. Even if they are winning every year. I think Mike McCarthy is the perfect example of that. Super Bowl winning coach who continually head the Packers winning the division and sometimes the #1 seed. Even a Super Bowl victory ultimately couldn't save him. However, your "aside" is rather ridiculous and pointless if I am being honest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 39 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Patience? We've been to the playoffs four of the last five years after patiently waiting 17 years. We'd be nuts to fire McDermott. perspective is a hell of a thing. Someone could argue the playoffs mean little and we are nearing a 30 year run without a Super Bowl appearance and franchise history lacking any Super Bowl wins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Just now, ArtVandalay said: The fact is too many fans have low esteem and their only defense is the Bills sucked for a while before him. Pretty bad reason. Some fans just want to be relevant. Others want to win. It's that simple. The defense is a very small minority of new head coaches in the NFL put up double digit winning seasons four of their first five years. The Bills drought showed how rare it is to find a coach like McDermott after going through six separate head coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share Posted November 19, 2022 29 minutes ago, gobills404 said: I’m not saying he’s perfect or one of the elite coaches in the league, but there’s no denying the tremendous positive impact he’s had on this franchise. If he were to be fired, he would be the unanimous #1 candidate for every team looking for a new HC. He has had a good impact on the franchise. My concern is that he is the Kirk Cousins of coaches. Better than obvious replacements, but not likely to win a championship. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyoAZBillfan Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 There’s also coaches like Doug Pederson, Jon Gruden, John Fox who were rather new to teams and fairly one and done. McD/Beane I believe are shooting for a tad more. Also what’s Tomlin done in his tenure, how many McV, The Bengals are struggle with super bowl hangover… last point, who do you replace McD with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: The defense is a very small minority of new head coaches in the NFL put up double digit winning seasons four of their first five years. The Bills drought showed how rare it is to find a coach like McDermott after going through six separate head coaches. How many Superbowls does he have in the Sports Almanac?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Just now, ArtVandalay said: How many Superbowls does he have in the Sports Almanac?? I don't know. Marty fricken burned it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Do you want to talk about how 3 of those 5 super bowl winning coaches have had less playoff sucess since mcdermott joined the Bills or would that not help your point? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyoAZBillfan Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, section122 said: Do you want to talk about how 3 of those 5 super bowl winning coaches have had less playoff sucess since mcdermott joined the Bills or would that not help your point? Could add the fourths success has diminished considerably since his QB left town also. That’s a big help to the cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) Pete carroll 3-4 since 2015 John harbaugh 2-4 since 2014 Tomlin 0-3 since 2017 or if you prefer 3-7 since 2011. Its hard to win in the playoffs Edited November 19, 2022 by section122 Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Trust the process tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share Posted November 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, section122 said: Do you want to talk about how 3 of those 5 super bowl winning coaches have had less playoff sucess since mcdermott joined the Bills or would that not help your point? Its not a point. The original post is just facts. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 1 hour ago, gobills404 said: I’m not saying he’s perfect or one of the elite coaches in the league, but there’s no denying the tremendous positive impact he’s had on this franchise. If he were to be fired, he would be the unanimous #1 candidate for every team looking for a new HC. lets say it’s 2024 and Belicheck is retired. McDermott gets fired and goes to NE. How scared are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 39 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: The defense is a very small minority of new head coaches in the NFL put up double digit winning seasons four of their first five years. The Bills drought showed how rare it is to find a coach like McDermott after going through six separate head coaches. McDermott has three seasons of double digit wins. We went 9-7 his first year that broke the drought. Undeniably the best coach we've had since Marv. Is he good enough to win a SB ? I guess we'll see. I think it's pretty concerning he has a top 3 QB on a rookie contract and hasn't made the SB yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Chaos said: He seems on pass to be Marvin Lewis + You realize Marvin Lewis went 0-7 in the playoffs, right? 1 hour ago, Chaos said: I think its funny that people thumbs down or puke on the first post in the thread which expresses no opinions and simply lists out a series of facts. A lot of people don't like facts. In his current tenure Andy Reid got his first super bowl appearance quite early. Chiefs fans did not wait long. Tell me, how long did it take Andy Reid to actually win one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 The fact is- we’ve had nothing but terrible coaches the last 25 years. Now we have a very good coach- but we have an elite all world QB- so the expectation is super bowl or bust. So we’re in a predicament. Do we risk moving on from the not yet great head coach and risk messing up what seems to be a good thing in order to find someone better? If we fall on our face this year I’d be in favor of firing him as long as we’re replacing him with a great coach. I wouldn’t want to fire him if we replaced him with a first time HC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 How many years has Andy Reid been a HC without winning the Super Bowl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I think it's pretty concerning he has a top 3 QB on a rookie contract and hasn't made the SB yet. If we fail to go there this year (assuming we're not injury rattled beyond repair) then it's definitely a worthwhile conversation. The only way I'd make the change if I'm Pegula though is if you get a proven offensive minded head coach like Sean Payton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Chaos said: Just praising the Bills fans for their patience. 1 hour ago, Chaos said: I think its funny that people thumbs down or puke on the first post in the thread which expresses no opinions and simply lists out a series of facts. A lot of people don't like facts. In his current tenure Andy Reid got his first super bowl appearance quite early. Chiefs fans did not wait long. Thats because people know what you are trying to do with this thread. You dont need to express your opinion in the OP for people to see through it and know what its about. Andy Reid got his first super bowl with the Chiefs in year 7. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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