BillsBlue Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) Something just isn't right with our #17 our boy Blue. To me it all started after the play during theĀ Green Bay game where Josh tries to run the ball in the end zone down the sideline and is met with a very large DT face mask to face mask. I think Josh has been playing with a concussion since that hit and there was a hit in the jets game where Josh was on his hands and knees shaking his head side to side as well where he seemed to have had his bell rung. Flame away but this isn't how JA17 plays, somethings seriously not right and it reminds me of Trent Edward's after the Wilson hit and I'm scared........... Edited November 13, 2022 by BillsBlue 1 6 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, BillsBlue said: Something just isn't right with our #17 our boy Blue. To me it all started after the play during theĀ Green Bay game where Josh tries to run the ball in down the sideline and is met with a very large DT face mask to face mask. I think Josh has been playing with a concussion since that hit and there was a hit on the jets game where Josh was on his hands and knees shaking his head side to side as well where he seemed to have had his bell rung. Flame away but this isn't how JA17 plays, somethings seriously not right and it reminds me of Trent Edward's after the Wilson hit and I'm scared........... You might be on to something but it has really been since the bye that these RZ ints have happened.Ā Ā It's definitely something psychological.Ā Either concussion or just the expectations getting to him. Ā He refuses to check down which could be a huge wrinkle in the O and allows the D to ignore the check downs.Ā Ā Something ain't right and my expectations went way down. He cost us the last 2 games 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBlue Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, JerseyBills said: You might be on to something but it has really been since the bye that these RZ ints have happened.Ā Ā It's definitely something psychological.Ā Either concussion or just the expectations getting to him. Ā He refuses to check down which could be a huge wrinkle in the O and allows the D to ignore the check downs.Ā Ā Something ain't right and my expectations went way down. He cost us the last 2 games He's smarter than throwing to the wrong team, he doesn't play like this, he hasnt forced throws since his sophomore season, somethings wrong with his processing or visionĀ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 He's been playing careless with the ball throughout the season, defenders have often not been able to punish it.Ā Ā More batted balls at the line than any time before, throwing balls into the back of your O-linemen's head, staring down guys from snap to throw, allowing coverage to know exactly where you're going with the ball... Ā It's not like he just started the turnovers in GB, he was already doing that prior. Difference is he was able to balance that out a bit with positive drives & points. Ā And just like with the COVID season, Josh plays best when he's absolved from so much pressure. When things are well, he can ride it & keep it going, but when he's in a slump, he forces things, gets desperate, then regresses on everything from reading defenses to going through progressions, to even bad mechanics... 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 My hypothesis: Ā Brian Daboll is now gone.Ā 2 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBlue Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, McBean said: My hypothesis: Ā Brian Daboll is now gone.Ā I think Dorsey stinks at calling plays for sure, Josh used to have so many wide open options in dabz games most snaps 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 It makes for an interesting hypothesis, but I disagree. Ā Inconsistency has always been a part of Josh's game. Ā It's worse lately than we have seen in a long time, but I just don't think you get a magic excuse to wash his sins away like that. Ā Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBlue Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, BigDingus said: He's been playing careless with the ball throughout the season, defenders have often not been able to punish it.Ā Ā More batted balls at the line than any time before, throwing balls into the back of your O-linemen's head, staring down guys from snap to throw, allowing coverage to know exactly where you're going with the ball... Ā It's not like he just started the turnovers in GB, he was already doing that prior. Difference is he was able to balance that out a bit with positive drives & points. Ā And just like with the COVID season, Josh plays best when he's absolved from so much pressure. When things are well, he can ride it & keep it going, but when he's in a slump, he forces things, gets desperate, then regresses on everything from reading defenses to going through progressions, to even bad mechanics... It's just odd it's been such a dramatic change, I just wonder if it's a concussion or play calling or both smh š¤¦Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: You might be on to something but it has really been since the bye that these RZ ints have happened.Ā Ā It's definitely something psychological.Ā Either concussion or just the expectations getting to him. Ā He refuses to check down which could be a huge wrinkle in the O and allows the D to ignore the check downs.Ā Ā Something ain't right and my expectations went way down. He cost us the last 2 games Ā 2 minutes ago, BigDingus said: He's been playing careless with the ball throughout the season, defenders have often not been able to punish it.Ā Ā More batted balls at the line than any time before, throwing balls into the back of your O-linemen's head, staring down guys from snap to throw, allowing coverage to know exactly where you're going with the ball... Ā It's not like he just started the turnovers in GB, he was already doing that prior. Difference is he was able to balance that out a bit with positive drives & points. Ā And just like with the COVID season, Josh plays best when he's absolved from so much pressure. When things are well, he can ride it & keep it going, but when he's in a slump, he forces things, gets desperate, then regresses on everything from reading defenses to going through progressions, to even bad mechanics... Trent Edwards sucks and to compare him to josh completely takes away anything else you ever have to sayĀ Ā an all pro compared to Trent Edward? Put down the whiskeyĀ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, BillsBlue said: He's smarter than throwing to the wrong team, he doesn't play like this, he hasnt forced throws since his sophomore season, somethings wrong with his processing or visionĀ Absolutely.Ā I said the same during the weekĀ Ā I'm legit concernedĀ I Hate that he refuses to check down. I think the fame might be getting to him and he thinks he needs to be Superman every play. Ā He would have had 7-10 yards had he run it that last playĀ 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBlue Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: It makes for an interesting hypothesis, but I disagree. Ā Inconsistency has always been a part of Josh's game. Ā It's worse lately than we have seen in a long time, but I just don't think you get a magic excuse to wash his sins away like that. Ā Ā This is such an absurd level of boneheaded play, he's been money for 2 years straight going tino this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, BillsBlue said: He's smarter than throwing to the wrong team, he doesn't play like this, he hasnt forced throws since his sophomore season, somethings wrong with his processing or visionĀ He forced all sorts of balls last season. He just got hot at the back end of the year and the playoffs so we assumed he shook that from his ethos permanently.Ā Ā Fast forward to this 2022ā¦he didnāt.Ā Ā (He also said for the first time in his career he took an offseason off. It may not be to blame. Ā But after three brutal weeks itās a worthy talking point) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: You might be on to something but it has really been since the bye that these RZ ints have happened.Ā Ā It's definitely something psychological.Ā Either concussion or just the expectations getting to him. Ā He refuses to check down which could be a huge wrinkle in the O and allows the D to ignore the check downs.Ā Ā Something ain't right and my expectations went way down. He cost us the last 2 games Maybe it's just ***** coaching too. The first half of the season could have been muscle memory for the players and coaches that have been here under Daboll. Maybe the offense started getting challenged in new ways with the trends and patterns DC's have been able to pick up on. And now Dorsey's ability to read and react is getting challenged where it wasn't before. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) Hate that Boy Blue rubbish Ā Ā 6 minutes ago, McBean said: My hypothesis: Ā Brian Daboll is now gone.Ā He was a scapegoat here for every loss they hadā¦ except maybe the last oneĀ Edited November 13, 2022 by Aussie Joe 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBlue Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Ā Trent Edwards sucks and to compare him to josh completely takes away anything else you ever have to sayĀ Ā an all pro compared to Trent Edward? Put down the whiskeyĀ Lmao š¤£Ā maybe I was a bit dramatic with the te comparison but hey st least you made me laugh after that crappy loss lolol I'm more so comparing the stark difference in play after taking s huge shot to the head not talent levelsĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Nothing to do with a single hit/play. Ā It all has to do with coaching, Dorseys/Josh's aggressive styles.Ā When they're on their A-game, few will be beat them.Ā Ā Problem is, being overly aggressive comes with risks.Ā It's a very fine line.Ā Ā Someone needs to take that 4th quarter game tying drive, and put it on replay for Josh's. Showing him its OK to checkdown the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 We make things look so difficult on offense so often.Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, pigpen65 said: Maybe it's just ***** coaching too. The first half of the season could have been muscle memory for the players and coaches that have been here under Daboll. Maybe the offense started getting challenged in new ways with the trends and patterns DC's have been able to pick up on. And now Dorsey's ability to read and react is getting challenged where it wasn't before. There was at least 5 plays Allen could have checked it down for positive yards Ā I think it's the expectations and fame thinking he has to be Superman every gameĀ Ā The 4 red zone ints have been inexcusable though and not on the coaches. He looked like a rookie on them throws 1 minute ago, MasterStrategist said: Nothing to do with a single hit/play. Ā It all has to do with coaching, Dorseys/Josh's aggressive styles.Ā When they're on their A-game, few will be beat them.Ā Ā Problem is, being overly aggressive comes with risks.Ā It's a very fine line.Ā Ā Someone needs to take that 4th quarter game tying drive, and put it on replay for Josh's. Showing him its OK to checkdown the ball. Why can't 17 ever check it down. It's killing us and been a theme his whole career 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBlue Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mango said: He forced all sorts of balls last season. He just got hot at the back end of the year and the playoffs so we assumed he shook that from his ethos permanently.Ā Ā Fast forward to this 2022ā¦he didnāt.Ā Ā (He also said for the first time in his career he took an offseason off. It may not be to blame. Ā But after three brutal weeks itās a worthy talking point) I guess you might be onto something the way he closed the year out was unreal, I think he's missing beez too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 24 minutes ago, BillsBlue said: Something just isn't right with our #17 our boy Blue. To me it all started after the play during theĀ Green Bay game where Josh tries to run the ball in the end zone down the sideline and is met with a very large DT face mask to face mask. I think Josh has been playing with a concussion since that hit and there was a hit in the jets game where Josh was on his hands and knees shaking his head side to side as well where he seemed to have had his bell rung. Flame away but this isn't how JA17 plays, somethings seriously not right and it reminds me of Trent Edward's after the Wilson hit and I'm scared........... To compare josh to Trent is ******* ludicrousĀ Ā and Iāve been drinking to cope so ima sorry If i tagged somebody wrong Ā go bills 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBlue Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: Nothing to do with a single hit/play. Ā It all has to do with coaching, Dorseys/Josh's aggressive styles.Ā When they're on their A-game, few will be beat them.Ā Ā Problem is, being overly aggressive comes with risks.Ā It's a very fine line.Ā Ā Someone needs to take that 4th quarter game tying drive, and put it on replay for Josh's. Showing him its OK to checkdown the ball. I like this take and if it isn't a concussion etc this seems spot on 4 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: There was at least 5 plays Allen could have checked it down for positive yards Ā I think it's the expectations and fame thinking he has to be Superman every gameĀ Ā The 4 red zone ints have been inexcusable though and not on the coaches. He looked like a rookie on them throws Why can't 17 ever check it down. It's killing us and been a theme his whole career He was taking the yac plays earlier this year or we were scheming them more/the short game was great, I dunno what happened to our bread and butter 7-12 yards passing plays that were indefensibleĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 I just think Josh is pressing too much and not playing settled comforatble football...... hate thining in high pressure situations he is failing but right now he is... the fumbles sneak the int in OT those are all high pressure situations..... I've seen him succeed in those but lately he hasn't and it could be something.... Ā One thing for certain there is something wrong there imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBlue Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: To compare josh to Trent is ******* ludicrousĀ Ā and Iāve been drinking to cope so ima sorry If i tagged somebody wrong Ā go bills Take a sip for me but really what I'm comparing is the level of immediate regressionĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, BillsBlue said: I guess you might be onto something the way he closed the year out was unreal, I think he's missing beez too I hadnāt gotten the all 22 this year until this week. The Bills were rolling and I just wanted to enjoy the season. But I re-upped this week.Ā Ā Saying weāre missing Beasley operates under the assumption that nobody is running crossers, slants, or anything quick/shallow. And thatās just not the case. There are guys heās around and open and he isnāt even looking. Or he looks and throws over their head to the tough throw behind him for 20 rather pick up 6 and play the sticks.Ā 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 My hypothesis Ā Ā Ā Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 There's nothing wrong with him except that he's pressing because the team expects him to be the answer to everything on offense.Ā He's putting too much pressure on himself and forcing throws. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBlue Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Mango said: I hadnāt gotten the all 22 this year until this week. The Bills were rolling and I just wanted to enjoy the season. But I re-upped this week.Ā Ā Saying weāre missing Beasley operates under the assumption that nobody is running crossers, slants, or anything quick/shallow. And thatās just not the case. There are guys heās around and open and he isnāt even looking. Or he looks and throws over their head to the tough throw behind him for 20 rather pick up 6 and play the sticks.Ā Maybe 13 seconds put too much of a chip on his shoulder and made him greedy?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: There was at least 5 plays Allen could have checked it down for positive yards Ā I think it's the expectations and fame thinking he has to be Superman every gameĀ Ā The 4 red zone ints have been inexcusable though and not on the coaches. He looked like a rookie on them throws Why can't 17 ever check it down. It's killing us and been a theme his whole career Ā Didn't he check it down in the final series of regulation time? Then, when in excellent position with a check down in overtime he throws another inexplicable interception. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBlue Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, Brandon said: There's nothing wrong with him except that he's pressing because the team expects him to be the answer to everything on offense.Ā He's putting too much pressure on himself and forcing throws. I dunno he just seems like a different player the last couple games, it's just been dramatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, BillsBlue said: Take a sip for me but really what I'm comparing is the level of immediate regressionĀ Iāve drank a bottle of whiskey and im upset šĀ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBlue Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Iāve drank a bottle of whiskey and im upset šĀ Eat some food and drink some water bro and take a deep breath...Josh will figure it out somethings just not rightĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, BillsBlue said: Maybe 13 seconds put too much of a chip on his shoulder and made him greedy?? I think heās played dominant and weāve been dominant, so he just grips too tight to ābe dominantā. Then when that doesnāt go well, he presses harder to get that game, drive, play, etc. back. Weāre just in a vicious circle we have to get out of. Ā Glad this is happening now rather than December or January.Ā 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, BillsBlue said: I dunno he just seems like a different player the last couple games, it's just been dramatic Ā He had around 400 total yards and played well most of the game. Ā He reminds me of early career Brett Favre right now. He's trying to do too much.Ā Sometimes it works out,Ā sometimes it doesn't.Ā Edited November 13, 2022 by Brandon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, BillsBlue said: Eat some food and drink some water bro and take a deep breath...Josh will figure it out somethings just not rightĀ I agree š¤š¤itās just 2000 years of German genetics that tick my drinking when stressedĀ Ā I am not worried long term .. itās just a nervous habitĀ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 42 minutes ago, BillsBlue said: Ā [snip] Ā Didn't read your post, so I won't comment on that, but thank you for not using "theory".Ā š 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 40 minutes ago, BillsBlue said: Something just isn't right with our #17 our boy Blue. To me it all started after the play during theĀ Green Bay game where Josh tries to run the ball in the end zone down the sideline and is met with a very large DT face mask to face mask. I think Josh has been playing with a concussion since that hit and there was a hit in the jets game where Josh was on his hands and knees shaking his head side to side as well where he seemed to have had his bell rung. Flame away but this isn't how JA17 plays, somethings seriously not right and it reminds me of Trent Edward's after the Wilson hit and I'm scared........... What are you talking about? This is how Josh has always played. The difference is that in the past his "should be" INTs turn into Jaw dropping TDs. He's been a gun slinger his whole life and he's going through a stint where it isn't working our for him and you're asking him to be Chad Pennington. The reason that he's throwing more INTs because we're throwing the entire outcome of the game on his shoulders every single week. You can't do that. Our defense makes a stop on 4th and 18 and that pick doesn't exist and we're talking about how JA is the best player in the NFL again. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 51 minutes ago, BillsBlue said: Something just isn't right with our #17 our boy Blue. To me it all started after the play during theĀ Green Bay game where Josh tries to run the ball in the end zone down the sideline and is met with a very large DT face mask to face mask. I think Josh has been playing with a concussion since that hit and there was a hit in the jets game where Josh was on his hands and knees shaking his head side to side as well where he seemed to have had his bell rung. Flame away but this isn't how JA17 plays, somethings seriously not right and it reminds me of Trent Edward's after the Wilson hit and I'm scared........... Ā it's exactly how he played his first two years in the league.Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 37 minutes ago, BillsBlue said: He's smarter than throwing to the wrong team, he doesn't play like this, he hasnt forced throws since his sophomore season, somethings wrong with his processing or visionĀ Concussion leaves you cloudy and indecisive, slow to react.... at a position that makes more on the fly decisions than any other position/sport. Ā Hes actually too good for these picks, or a mental lapse on a snap in his own EZ.Ā Ā All the symptoms are there. Embarassing as a fan base to hear how quick ppl are turning on a dude thats given us everything. Putting his brain on the line for us with a concussion he has to keep hush about, and ppl are saying "season is over" blah blah blah.Ā Ā Dont care if i get 100 downvotes. Be better. TWO GAMES ITS BEEN. TWO. Relax, everything will be fine. We found a nice rhythm till the 4th. Well take what we can from it, grow, and move on. Shame on some of you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 I think it's easier than you think.Ā My thought is the receiver wasn't in the right spot.Ā It looked to awkward not to be a timing route that the WR screwed up on.Ā My guess is they were supposed to be on the inside and didn't get to their spot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said: I think it's easier than you think.Ā My thought is the receiver wasn't in the right spot.Ā It looked to awkward not to be a timing route that the WR screwed up on.Ā My guess is they were supposed to be on the inside and didn't get to their spot Ā I think there's a strong possibility that some of these bad plays are actually resulting from miscommunication between Allen and the receivers.Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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