[Name Only Title] Ed Oliver

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

Just now, NewEra said:

You’re right, it was a mirage….

 

but coaching lost that game.  There is no doubt.

 

 Yeah, I wasn't disputing that. When you think of #1 defenses the 2021 Bills defense shouldn't come to mind lol.

 

 

[BuffaloBill]

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[Eastport bills]

On 11/7/2022 at 10:41 AM, ToBillsFan said:

Who can justify resigning this man?

 

0 sacks 0 effect on the run game. All this in his contract year where he should be destroying everything in his way.

Everybody must go with no exception. Back the truck up to the locker room. Get ‘‘em all out of my sight. Funny you didn’t mention how disruptive Ed has been in pressures up the middle. How does 29 tackles in 12 games translate to zero effect in the run game? He’s been averaging 40 tackles a season and the defense is top 5 in yds allowed and points. He’s an important part of the rotation in the front four plus he plays thru injury. I’m sure you had the same silly post about Edmunds, Milano, Singletary etc.

[Don Otreply]

it is as if pretending to know something is enough…,  
 

 

 So yeah, let’s just release/cut every player on the D line that doesn’t have 15 sacks, or enough splash plays to make a few fans happy, and then continue to ignore the glaring needs on the O-line and at WR while we spend our draft capital and limited FA funding to replace that defensive front, just Brilliant…,  
 

 

GO BILLS!!!

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 That #1 ranking was a mirage. We played a bunch of bad teams & offenses. The opposing QB list, at that time, was riddled bad young QBs and bad old QBs. The list of bad QBs faced last year:

 

Jones - twice 

Wilson & White - once each

Tua - twice

Mills

Heinicke

Siemian

Ryan

Wentz

Newton

Lawrence 

Roethlisberger 

 

 

 

Average QB faced:

 

Tannehill

 

 

 

Good QBs faced:

 

Mahomes

Brady

 

 

 

OK, but this year we have faced the Who’s Who of teams and still have a top-five defense

[TBBills]

"I want to have an Ed Oliver day!"

Shaq Lawson

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

OK, but this year we have faced the Who’s Who of teams and still have a top-five defense

 

 Not questioning that and have given several rundowns on games vs .500 or better teams for the top 5 Super Bowl contenders, including the 49ers defense facing a bunch of bad offenses like we did last year. And our record against top 10 offenses, defenses, pass rushers, QBs and RBs. I tried to cover it all lol.

 

 

[3rdand12]

Its the Pro Bowl
wgaf ?
Lets do this Super bowl thing

 Go Bills

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 hours ago, Eastport bills said:

Everybody must go with no exception. Back the truck up to the locker room. Get ‘‘em all out of my sight. Funny you didn’t mention how disruptive Ed has been in pressures up the middle. How does 29 tackles in 12 games translate to zero effect in the run game? He’s been averaging 40 tackles a season and the defense is top 5 in yds allowed and points. He’s an important part of the rotation in the front four plus he plays thru injury. I’m sure you had the same silly post about Edmunds, Milano, Singletary etc.

 

 I agree. He has consistently pushed the interior line into the QB this year. He was one of the reasons why Green Bay all but abandoned the passing game for a long stretch in that game. On pass plays he was in the backfield throughout the 1st half.

 

  Also was Defensive Player of the week for his massive game on Thanksgiving against the Lions. Still don't know how he didn't get a turkey leg. We don't win that game without him.

 

 

[Eastport bills]

3 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 I agree. He has consistently pushed the interior line into the QB this year. He was one of the reasons why Green Bay all but abandoned the passing game for a long stretch in that game. On pass plays he was in the backfield throughout the 1st half.

 

  Also was Defensive Player of the week for his massive game on Thanksgiving against the Lions. Still don't know how he didn't get a turkey leg. We don't win that game without him.

 

 

It’s sad that important contributors just get  abuse from congenital critics regardless of their play. Hopefully they don’t follow social media.

[Shake_My_Head]

Not going to read this whole thread.   The only concern I have with Ed is availability.   

 

When he right, he's a major asset to the team.    Unfortunately, he just seems to be banged up a lot and is on the injury report yet again this week.     IMO, it's going to be a hard decision about what his next contract is going to look like.

[Brand J]

Thought he had 1.5 sacks this game. He was only credited with 1.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

He had an actually great day today. More please 

[benderbender]

After his performance this season

[balln]

Yup. 

[TheBeaneBandit]

14 minutes ago, balln said:

Yup. 

Guys like Lawrence have that elite size which is really the only knock on Oliver besides availability. I definitely liked Lawrence coming out. Oh, and SOMEONE FIX THE THREAD TITLE!!!! LOL!!!

Edited January 2, 2023 by TheBeaneBandit
Being a funny man

[balln]

Just now, TheBeaneBandit said:

Guys like Lawrence have that elite size which is really the only knock on Oliver besides availability. I definitely liked Lawrence coming out.

Right. It was a curiously bad pick . Oliver was media over hyped bc of his blow up w coach over a coat , and compared to Aaron Donald. Whoops 

Lawrence has 7.5 sacks

 

we have to live w Oliver’s 2.5. Now if he has 3 tonight in a win vs cincy. All is forgiven. 

[oldmanfan]

Oliver is a disruptive force in the middle, and there are too many Bills fans who have no idea what they’re watching.

[balln]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Oliver is a disruptive force in the middle, and there are too many Bills fans who have no idea what they’re watching.

So are 5 other players taken AFTeR him in the draft , that are also out producing him. 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, balln said:

So are 5 other players taken AFTeR him in the draft , that are also out producing him. 

You can play this game with any player in the league pretty much.

[TheBeaneBandit]

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Oliver is a disruptive force in the middle, and there are too many Bills fans who have no idea what they’re watching.

For sure. It also seems on plays where he totally wins his matchup but doesn't make the play himself nobody is there to get the cleanup/assist play. 

[97bills]

On 12/22/2022 at 5:34 PM, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 I agree. He has consistently pushed the interior line into the QB this year. He was one of the reasons why Green Bay all but abandoned the passing game for a long stretch in that game. On pass plays he was in the backfield throughout the 1st half.

 

  Also was Defensive Player of the week for his massive game on Thanksgiving against the Lions. Still don't know how he didn't get a turkey leg. We don't win that game without him.

 

 

I no I thought he was the best player on the field that day. But Josh Allen and diggs is a sexier pick. 

[IndyMark]

On 11/11/2022 at 9:14 PM, Monty98 said:

I don't understand why people think DT get astronomical sack numbers. Ed will get some looks every once in a while where he's single blocked, but he's often going to get chipped by a RB in the pass game. Oliver gets great penetration, but the downfall with that is you lead to a secondary block. The benefit of that is you take that running back out of the play. I understand stand people expect 10+ sack seasons cause he was drafted at 9. That is absurd, if he's constantly in the 6-8 range as a DT and gets his share of TFLs we are winning with him.

 

Secondly, I do believe he has a high ankle sprain.. that's what he got dinged up with? I'm 3 months out from a high ankle sprain and I still don't have full strength/weight bearing ability. Granted he's an athlete with a world class rehab team, but they always tell people the high ankle sprains last and linger all season

 

I am not sure anyone is stating that we are looking for astronomical sack numbers from Ed, or any DT. However, TFL's should be a bigger thing for him, as should just tackles.

 

In a similar vein, why do people think "pressures" are a thing?  I believe some "pressures" are probably truly missed sacks - particularly in Ed's case;  I would like to see the definitions of those as it is not uncommon for Ed to whiff on a sack where our other DL actually make it.

 

Again, I think the truth about Ed is in the middle of those of thus that think he is severely underperforming  and those of us whom think he is a stud. 

 

Ed was absolutely absent in the Miami game, among others.  Yet, he has shined (?) in a few games.

 

Bottom line Ed is average.

[IndyMark]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Oliver is a disruptive force in the middle, and there are too many Bills fans who have no idea what they’re watching.

The only issue with your observation is that it has not been the case for most of the games this year, injuries notwithstanding. I want Ed to dominate and shine, but it does not happen enough and when viewing his whole body of work, he has as many and likely more "off" games then games where he had notable impact.

 

Oliver provided almost zero disruption or impact during the most recent dolphins game, among others this year. The only time he truly dominated was against second tier, if not third string, players - Detroit game. Which is all well and good, but he needs to disrupt consistently and against top tier OL's.

 

If he shows up tonight, great!  I cheer him on, like all Bills. He simply has not been consistent enough nor disruptive enough in his career to date.

 

Go Bills!

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, IndyMark said:

The only issue with your observation is that it has not been the case for most of the games this year, injuries notwithstanding. I want Ed to dominate and shine, but it does not happen enough and when viewing his whole body of work, he has as many and likely more "off" games then games where he had notable impact.

 

Oliver provided almost zero disruption or impact during the most recent dolphins game, among others this year. The only time he truly dominated was against second tier, if not third string, players - Detroit game. Which is all well and good, but he needs to disrupt consistently and against top tier OL's.

 

If he shows up tonight, great!  I cheer him on, like all Bills. He simply has not been consistent enough nor disruptive enough in his career to date.

 

Go Bills!

 

He was unusually quiet in that second Dolphins game, agreed. He was coming off the pec injury but he was back to dominating again in Chicago with a sack, a pressure and two tackles for loss. When Ed has been healthy this year he has been dominant. 

1 hour ago, IndyMark said:

I am not sure anyone is stating that we are looking for astronomical sack numbers from Ed, or any DT. However, TFL's should be a bigger thing for him, as should just tackles.

 

In a similar vein, why do people think "pressures" are a thing?  I believe some "pressures" are probably truly missed sacks - particularly in Ed's case;  I would like to see the definitions of those as it is not uncommon for Ed to whiff on a sack where our other DL actually make it.

 

Again, I think the truth about Ed is in the middle of those of thus that think he is severely underperforming  and those of us whom think he is a stud. 

 

Ed was absolutely absent in the Miami game, among others.  Yet, he has shined (?) in a few games.

 

Bottom line Ed is average.

 

Sorry to tell you but you have no idea what you are watching.

[Simon]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He was unusually quiet in that second Dolphins game, agreed. He was coming off the pec injury but he was back to dominating again in Chicago with a sack, a pressure and two tackles for loss. When Ed has been healthy this year he has been dominant. 

 

Yeah, he was wearing a brace all week leading up to the Miami game and essentially played the Dolphins one-handed.

I'm starting to worry a bit about his injuries; he plays so damned hard I wonder if he's always going to be nicked up in some fashion

[IndyMark]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He was unusually quiet in that second Dolphins game, agreed. He was coming off the pec injury but he was back to dominating again in Chicago with a sack, a pressure and two tackles for loss. When Ed has been healthy this year he has been dominant. 

 

Sorry to tell you but you have no idea what you are watching.

Nor do you my friend, nor do you.

 

Go Bills!

[balln]

great game today. 1 tackle

[HOUSE]

He has 3 horses to feed 

[GunnerBill]

35 minutes ago, balln said:

great game today. 1 tackle

 

He wasn't very good today. There is still heavy strapping on that pec by the looks of it. 

[Simon]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

He wasn't very good today. There is still heavy strapping on that pec by the looks of it. 

 

Yeah, he's got about 40 lbs of tape on him.
Errrr, I mean Kilos. Or wait, is it still Stone?

[DCofNC]

Anybody who’s still under the delusion Oliver is anything special is just a Homer of epic proportion.  He’s completely invisible most games.  Jordan Phillips is a better player.  There, I said it.

[Max Fischer]

Y'all are weird. 

 

 

[Simon]

39 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He wasn't very good today. There is still heavy strapping on that pec by the looks of it. 

 

I was thinking that if you took a seesaw and set Isiah McKenzie on one end and the amount of tape on Ed Oliver on the other end, that Lil Dirty would probably still be calling for his momma to come and help him down.

 

[John from Riverside]

He is playing hurt on top of that Phillips had to be yanked out of the game because he was injured as well so he was pressed into even more work

 

You generally don’t look good when your that hurt honestly, should he even be playing

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

Anybody who’s still under the delusion Oliver is anything special is just a Homer of epic proportion.  He’s completely invisible most games.  Jordan Phillips is a better player.  There, I said it.

Jordan Phillips literally had to be pulled from this game because half of his body wasn’t working for him. I suggest reevaluating your evaluating skills.

Edited January 9, 2023 by John from Riverside

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

Anybody who’s still under the delusion Oliver is anything special is just a Homer of epic proportion.  He’s completely invisible most games.  Jordan Phillips is a better player.  There, I said it.

 

Say whatever you want. It's wrong. 

 

2 of the last 3 games Ed has been poor since the pec injury. Compare that to how he played earlier in the year and it is only reasonable to conclude that the injury is playing a part. 

 

Invisible most games though? I mean seriously WTF are you guys watching?

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

I attempted to focus on his play today … I fell asleep. 

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

He is playing hurt on top of that Phillips had to be yanked out of the game because he was injured as well so he was pressed into even more work

 

You generally don’t look good when your that hurt honestly, should he even be playing

Jordan Phillips literally had to be pulled from this game because half of his body wasn’t working for him. I suggest reevaluating your evaluating skills.

Yeah.. cool.  So you think one player is better than the other because one got injured today.  I guess that makes AJE better than Von Miller because Miller didn’t play today.

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Say whatever you want. It's wrong. 

 

2 of the last 3 games Ed has been poor since the pec injury. Compare that to how he played earlier in the year and it is only reasonable to conclude that the injury is playing a part. 

 

Invisible most games though? I mean seriously WTF are you guys watching?

Justin Zimmer flashed as much as Ed Oliver, the two are the same player, except one had a first round pick wasted on him and the other has to fight the battle of being an undersized DL who happens to be a great athlete.

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Yeah.. cool.  So you think one player is better than the other because one got injured today.  I guess that makes AJE better than Von Miller because Miller didn’t play today.

Justin Zimmer flashed as much as Ed Oliver, the two are the same player, except one had a first round pick wasted on him and the other has to fight the battle of being an undersized DL who happens to be a great athlete.

I’m really not trying to pick a fight here but I’m trying to figure out whether or not you’re being disingenuous. Both of these players have had lingering injuries. One did not get hurt today and get pulled from the game. He has been hurt just like Oliver has been playing with that pic injury for a while.

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, DCofNC said:

 

Justin Zimmer flashed as much as Ed Oliver, the two are the same player, except one had a first round pick wasted on him and the other has to fight the battle of being an undersized DL who happens to be a great athlete.

 

Utter nonsense.