An honest question...

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Bermuda Triangle said:

I don't know - Oliver seemed invisible yesterday.

 

2 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

I don't know - Oliver seemed invisible yesterday.

I bet he was out snapped by Phillips. As for some reason McD and Co think Phillips is good against the run. 

[Milanos Milano]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

If you want to talk about Beane and McD continued patch work OL. Or obsession with Putting premium assets into the Defense. We can have that conversation 

Maybe if we stopped drafting 2nd rounders and trading them for peanuts, that would be helpful. 

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Sure

 

Miller

Oliver

Milano

Hyde

Dawkins

White

 

to name a couple. 

Miller is the only one on your list that’s remotely close to irreplaceable.  Oliver wasn’t missed when he was out, Milano is a good player, but not HOF. Hyde is being replaced right now, Dawkins is a decent start, not more and white hasn’t been on the field in a year and there has been virtually no drop off.   This is not a team full of great players like the delusional Bills fans think.  It’s a bunch of names you know, that’s it.   Even Diggs is questionable when you look at Jefferson out producing him in the same system. 
 

Allen is the only guy on this team that can’t be replaced, he’s one of the very best in the game.  The rest of the team is replaceable and all will be replaced in due time.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, DCofNC said:

Miller is the only one on your list that’s remotely close to irreplaceable.  Oliver wasn’t missed when he was out, Milano is a good player, but not HOF. Hyde is being replaced right now, Dawkins is a decent start, not more and white hasn’t been on the field in a year and there has been virtually no drop off.   This is not a team full of great players like the delusional Bills fans think.  It’s a bunch of names you know, that’s it.   Even Diggs is questionable when you look at Jefferson out producing him in the same system. 
 

Allen is the only guy on this team that can’t be replaced, he’s one of the very best in the game.  The rest of the team is replaceable and all will be replaced in due time.

 

There have been some REAL head-scratchers in the first and second rounds for the past three drafts, and that's costing this team dearly.

 

They've been SOMEWHAT better in FA, I'll grant them that.

 

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, DCofNC said:

Miller is the only one on your list that’s remotely close to irreplaceable.  Oliver wasn’t missed when he was out, Milano is a good player, but not HOF. Hyde is being replaced right now, Dawkins is a decent start, not more and white hasn’t been on the field in a year and there has been virtually no drop off.   This is not a team full of great players like the delusional Bills fans think.  It’s a bunch of names you know, that’s it.   Even Diggs is questionable when you look at Jefferson out producing him in the same system. 
 

Allen is the only guy on this team that can’t be replaced, he’s one of the very best in the game.  The rest of the team is replaceable and all will be replaced in due time.

So I have asked this a couple times. How easy it is to replace an All Pro Safet, Top 10 LT,DT and LBer

[T master]

This happens every time the Bills lose a game FIRE EVERY BODY - THEY CAN'T COACH - THEY CAN'T BUILD A TEAM RIGHT -  WHAT PLAYERS SUCK .

 

For God's sake has any one ever heard the saying "any given Sunday" every team has good players & any team can have a bad game even Josh & as we saw that the Bills did these are the same players that whipped the reigning SB champs .

 

This is the same team that beat the Chiefs the highest powered offense in the league and then when you have a big chunk of your starters hurt what do you expect ? Hyde & Poyer out - Tre Out - then who ever they lost in the game .

 

This was a humbling loss for sure & one that i think will motivate all to do better in the games to come & hopefully they will get healthy & being playing their best ball going down the stretch but it's better to hopefully learn from their mistakes now rather than in a play off game it's all fuel to get better !! 

 

Personally i don't like it when the Bills are elevated to a spot where they are the SB winners before the games are even played i would rather them be in a spot where they are the under dog it seems to give them more motivation so if they get their asses handed to them this time & there might be more before the end of the season use it as motivation !! 

 

GO BILLS !!! 

[SinceThe70s]

Couldn't you play this game with most teams?

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, SinceThe70s said:

Couldn't you play this game with most teams?

With All teams. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

With All teams. 

Some teams more easily than others.

 

[Charles Romes]

Dawkins could be replaced in the off-season but if he went down now it would be over.  There is a big difference between and an average oline, and bad one. With a QB elite at evading the rush the team is set up to have an average oline investment level.  No one should be surprised when there is difficulty facing a top dline. 

[Buffalo03]

58 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I'll eat the crow if needed.

 

But I'm not concerned that I'll have to at this moment.

 

Over one bad game? When we are still one of the best teams in football? 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Buffalo03 said:

Over one bad game? When we are still one of the best teams in football? 

 

I mean, yeah, maybe. We were just humiliated pretty handily by an inferior team who in turn was humiliated by an even WORSE team the week prior.

 

Think they win this week against a much better team than the Jets?

 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Is Dawkins the best player on the OL?

impossible to tell

[Jauronimo]

League's best roster built by front office that can't evaluate talent.  More at 11.

[Billsforumsucks]

21 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Miller is the only one on your list that’s remotely close to irreplaceable.  Oliver wasn’t missed when he was out, Milano is a good player, but not HOF. Hyde is being replaced right now, Dawkins is a decent start, not more and white hasn’t been on the field in a year and there has been virtually no drop off.   This is not a team full of great players like the delusional Bills fans think.  It’s a bunch of names you know, that’s it.   Even Diggs is questionable when you look at Jefferson out producing him in the same system. 
 

Allen is the only guy on this team that can’t be replaced, he’s one of the very best in the game.  The rest of the team is replaceable and all will be replaced in due time.

Are you kidding? Wow, by your own criteria we do not need Allen too. After yesterday any QB could of done what he did, right?

 

Milano is a must! If he played yesterday we win the game, simple. And Hyde replacement is nowhere near the caliber of Hyde,  if Hyde is not injured we are undefeated. Get this poor ass woe is me after a loss crap out of here, do you think the team needs the negative energy? I watched the pressers after the loss and they are taking it hard, let us have their back. GO BILLS!

[Gugny]

10 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

I mean, yeah, maybe. We were just humiliated pretty handily by an inferior team who in turn was humiliated by an even WORSE team the week prior.

 

Think they win this week against a much better team than the Jets?

 

 

Four years ago, the Bills faced the Vikings as a 17-point underdog and kicked the piss out of them.  I think we have a chance.

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

impossible to tell

I think it's pretty clear Morse is.

 

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Four years ago, the Bills faced the Vikings as a 17-point underdog and kicked the piss out of them.  I think we have a chance.

 

 

If we get a much MUCH better performance from 17 than we've seen the past couple weeks, you have a point.

 

But when he's off, there's no one to help win.

 

[Mr. WEO]

21 minutes ago, T master said:

This happens every time the Bills lose a game FIRE EVERY BODY - THEY CAN'T COACH - THEY CAN'T BUILD A TEAM RIGHT -  WHAT PLAYERS SUCK .

 

For God's sake has any one ever heard the saying "any given Sunday" every team has good players & any team can have a bad game even Josh & as we saw that the Bills did these are the same players that whipped the reigning SB champs .

 

This is the same team that beat the Chiefs the highest powered offense in the league and then when you have a big chunk of your starters hurt what do you expect ? Hyde & Poyer out - Tre Out - then who ever they lost in the game .

 

This was a humbling loss for sure & one that i think will motivate all to do better in the games to come & hopefully they will get healthy & being playing their best ball going down the stretch but it's better to hopefully learn from their mistakes now rather than in a play off game it's all fuel to get better !! 

 

Personally i don't like it when the Bills are elevated to a spot where they are the SB winners before the games are even played i would rather them be in a spot where they are the under dog it seems to give them more motivation so if they get their asses handed to them this time & there might be more before the end of the season use it as motivation !! 

 

GO BILLS !!! 

 

 

This isn't about just starters on D being out.  

 

 

The Offense allowed 5 sacks, 2 ints 2 fumbles (recovered), 18 catches for 183 yards.  

 

They were up 14-3 with 6:30 left in the second Q and would only score 3 more points the rest of the way.

[T master]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

This isn't about just starters on D being out.  

 

 

The Offense allowed 5 sacks, 2 ints 2 fumbles (recovered), 18 catches for 183 yards.  

 

They were up 14-3 with 6:30 left in the second Q and would only score 3 more points the rest of the way.

 

It is a team game after all !!! 

[MAJBobby]

21 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

Dawkins could be replaced in the off-season but if he went down now it would be over.  There is a big difference between and an average oline, and bad one. With a QB elite at evading the rush the team is set up to have an average oline investment level.  No one should be surprised when there is difficulty facing a top dline. 

What player that this regime has selected on the OL that would give you confidence they could replace Dawkins

[Billsforumsucks]

4 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I think it's pretty clear Morse is.

 

 

If we get a much MUCH better performance from 17 than we've seen the past couple weeks, you have a point.

 

But when he's off, there's no one to help win.

 

Yea because he threw THE BALL TO THE OTHER TEAM! How do you help that! We win if he does not, trade Allen now! He is replaceable, you want to rip all the other players for playing poorly but not Josh?

 

You guys are over the top, Chiefs lost to Indy a few weeks back, they probably should replace Kelce?

[The Frankish Reich]

2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

This is true of many teams. What are the Chiefs without Mahomes and Kelce? A fairly average NFL team. 

And you can make a very good case that Tyreek Hill was not replaceable. They win that game last night easily if he’s in the lineup. 
But overall, that’s right. The QB and maybe one key receiver are the only pieces that can’t be replaced, as long as the GM has time to do it. 

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Who in this team outside of Josh Allen couldn't be replaced?

 

Stefon Diggs?

 

I can't come up with too many other names, and that's troubling. I'm starting to look at beane and McDermott like I do James Franklin. That is to say, they're guys who were able to resurrect a dead program, but I'm afraid they're incapable of actually elevating the program to the pinnacle.

 

Can you name any other players on the roster who aren't easily replaceable? 

 

Two of them weren't on the field yesterday

 

Poyer

Milano

 

I'd also like to know what you mean by "replaceable", in its usage it seems like one of those terms that get defined in a specific way and then a lot of talk goes on before figuring out that the people arguing are discussing it differently

 

What does "replaceable" mean to you?

[Billsforumsucks]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

This isn't about just starters on D being out.  

 

 

The Offense allowed 5 sacks, 2 ints 2 fumbles (recovered), 18 catches for 183 yards.  

 

They were up 14-3 with 6:30 left in the second Q and would only score 3 more points the rest of the way.

We also have a lot of starters on the "O" the are out.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Flucod said:

Yea because he threw THE BALL TO THE OTHER TEAM! How do you help that! We win if he does not, trade Allen now! He is replaceable, you want to rip all the other players for playing poorly but not Josh?

 

You guys are over the top, Chiefs lost to Indy a few weeks back, they probably should replace Kelce?

 

>.>

 

I think i've been clear in other threads he's played horribly. Let me phrase this in a way you'll more easily understand:

 

Do you think the offense would function more efficiently with a better #2 wideout and a competent running game so that 17 doesn't have to be perfect every week?

 

Or, do you think it's more valuable to continue to waste capital on DE/DT/CB year in and year out?

 

[Buffalo03]

19 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

I mean, yeah, maybe. We were just humiliated pretty handily by an inferior team who in turn was humiliated by an even WORSE team the week prior.

 

Think they win this week against a much better team than the Jets?

 

I have realized the Jets are not as inferior as maybe we thought. And secondly again, we have beaten the 5-3 Titans, 5-3 Ravens and 6-2 Chiefs. All division leaders. What makes you think we couldn't beat a better Jets team?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

This topic is silly.

Outside of the franchise QBs, every player in the NFL can be replaced. Ask Vegas, they don't move the line for any injury except to the QB.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

A possible answer. But he's got some injury concerns, hasn't had a full season yet 

 

So....how many games do other top LBs miss?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

Two of them weren't on the field yesterday

 

Poyer

Milano

 

I'd also like to know what you mean by "replaceable", in its usage it seems like one of those terms that get defined in a specific way and then a lot of talk goes on before figuring out that the people arguing are discussing it differently

 

What does "replaceable" mean to you?

 

I mean who else besides Diggs and Allen can this team go a protracted stretch without and still function properly.

 

Certain players are irreplaceable. Some not so much.

 

An example:

Would this team's season be sunk if one of the DTs goes out injured for the year? Doubt it.

 

Would this season be over if Diggs was lost for the year? Absolutely.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Ahhh so in your world it is so easy to replace top 10 players with top 5 players. Jesus the takes here from some people. 

Well Maj, we could've had some top quality offensive linemen instead of drafting the likes of Epenesa, Basham. You have to agree with this. 

[SoMAn]

The Bills have managed to win most of their games with injuries to White, MIlano, Edmunds, Poyer, and several others missing games.

 

They have the ability to win games without some of these players - the proof is in the pudding.  Next man up has been successful. The challenge the Bills have been facing is not just one or two top tier players missing, but five or six, mostly on the defensive side of the ball. We have backup's backups playing.

 

Josh has been able to get them through it for the most part, but he had an off day - he acknowledged it.

 

Maybe the time change messed with him. It's the same time-change weekend when they had an away game and a huge upset by Jacksonville last year.

 

It's the cumulative affect of so many injuries that's causing concern. The Ravens went through this last year and missed the playoffs completely.

 

And yet the Bills have managed to lose only 2 games by a total of 5 points and are still top seed in the conference at this time. 

 

I'm not concerned.  If they can get Poyer, Milano, and a healthy White back on the same field, they'll get their groove back. 

[DCofNC]

40 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

So I have asked this a couple times. How easy it is to replace an All Pro Safet, Top 10 LT,DT and LBer

Replacing an All Pro is not easy, but the rest of those rankings are in you head, Oliver is not even CLOSE to top 10 at DT, Milano though good, is only thought of that highly in Buffalo, and Glenn isn’t a top 10 LT either. 

[MAJBobby]

10 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Well Maj, we could've had some top quality offensive linemen instead of drafting the likes of Epenesa, Basham. You have to agree with this. 

Sure I can play hindsight. 

 

Basham, Yep I probably would take Creed Humphrey over Basham at this point, granted that means Morse would be gone so younger at the position but likely a wash in terms of improvement on the OL.

 

Epenesa I dont think I would take Ezra Cleveland over him though.

4 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Replacing an All Pro is not easy, but the rest of those rankings are in you head, Oliver is not even CLOSE to top 10 at DT, Milano though good, is only thought of that highly in Buffalo, and Glenn isn’t a top 10 LT either. 

Oliver is a Top 10 DT

Milano is also a Top LBer you hear it very week

 

Glenn is not a Bill but you are correct here

Edited November 7, 2022 by MAJBobby

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

I mean who else besides Diggs and Allen can this team go a protracted stretch without and still function properly.

 

Certain players are irreplaceable. Some not so much.

 

An example:

Would this team's season be sunk if one of the DTs goes out injured for the year? Doubt it.

 

Would this season be over if Diggs was lost for the year? Absolutely.

 

 

I see.  So partly that's a function of depth vs. the "star power" (for want of a better word) of the player in question.

 

For example, we wagered that Davis would step up and grow into a #2 WR.  Instead, and with plenty of targets, he's maintaining about the same productivity as he had as a #3/backup #2 WR and it's scary to think of Diggs going down.  We wagered that platooning Crowder + McKenzie would roughly equal Beasley of last year, then Crowder broke his leg.

 

I would say this season, Dawkins, Morse.

 

On defense, one of {Poyer, Hyde}, Milano, one of {White, Jackson}.  Defense has gotten the lions share of the FA and draft resources the last couple years IMO, and Frazier/McDermott have a "whole greater than the sum of its parts" philosophy there so it's harder to single out a guy, but there was a clear drop off IMO in the games where we had neither Poyer nor Hyde, and when we didn't have Jackson but White still on PUP so starting 2 rookies.

[poblano]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

A possible answer. But he's got some injury concerns, hasn't had a full season yet 

 

and when he has been out it has been noticed,  this defense is clearly better with him in.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I see.  So partly that's a function of depth vs. the "star power" (for want of a better word) of the player in question.

 

For example, we wagered that Davis would step up and grow into a #2 WR.  Instead, and with plenty of targets, he's maintaining about the same productivity as he had as a #3/backup #2 WR and it's scary to think of Diggs going down.  We wagered that platooning Crowder + McKenzie would roughly equal Beasley of last year, then Crowder broke his leg.

 

I would say this season, Dawkins, Morse.

 

On defense, one of {Poyer, Hyde}, Milano, one of {White, Jackson}.  Defense has gotten the lions share of the FA and draft resources the last couple years IMO, and Frazier/McDermott have a "whole greater than the sum of its parts" philosophy there so it's harder to single out a guy, but there was a clear drop off IMO in the games where we had neither Poyer nor Hyde, and when we didn't have Jackson but White still on PUP so starting 2 rookies.

Exactly. They've played fast and loose with the offense. I don't like that one bit. WHY they do it is a whole other question.

 

[Mr. WEO]

21 minutes ago, Flucod said:

We also have a lot of starters on the "O" the are out.

 

 

a lot?

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Big Groot has been outstanding this year as well. This team has dudes. They’ll figure it out.

[whorlnut]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

You should. Because he is. 

Have they?  I seem to see safeties getting beat a ton and the secondary being out of position a lot with no Hyde. 
 

Ed Oliver is a top 10DT

 

a LBer that plays balls out every play is gonna get nicked. It is football. 

Hate to say this, but I fully expect our first rounder in 2023 to be a safety.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, whorlnut said:

Hate to say this, but I fully expect our first rounder in 2023 to be a safety.

More premium Assets into the Defense.  I agree with you that is what McD needs to have his defense.  Heck with the OL or Josh's weapons.