Roughing the Passer

[Brand J]

This just in from the Tuesday Owner’s Meeting: League will not back out of “protecting the QB.” 
 

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“Everyone knows if your quarterback is not healthy, you don’t have a chance to win,” said Vincent, a former defensive back. “We’re not changing the philosophy around that call.”
 

-Troy Vincent

NFL Executive VP Football Operations

I like what Shannon had to say about this. It won’t change until Jerry Jones and the Cowboys get screwed by a (non) RTP call in the playoffs. 
 

Article in The Athletic

 

*Also, no one is asking them to back off protecting the QBs, the fans just want RTP to actually be RTP and not routine tackles. It’s a huge penalty that affects the outcome of games.

Edited October 18, 2022 by JayBaller10

[BigDingus]

As long as Brady keeps benefiting from the calls, we can all sleep well at night 🙃

[Southern_Bills]

I guess tripping a QB isn't as much of a "point of emphasis" 🤷

[Scott7975]

Im all for protecting the QB.  Nobody wants to see the most important star of the game go out.  Some of these RTPs are just out of control and not RTP at all.

[mikemac2001]

If they throw a flag have someone verify it quickly radio down RTP or no RTP 

 

they do it for other calls when they huddle so why not this 

[Augie]

17 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

I guess tripping a QB isn't as much of a "point of emphasis" 🤷

 

Or kicking or grabbing in certain areas…..where they would rather not be kicked or grabbed. 

[eball]

19 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

As long as Brady keeps benefiting from the calls, we can all sleep well at night 🙃

 

This is a false narrative that continues to be spread as if it is fact.  Look it up.  Brady has been the beneficiary of a ridiculously low number of roughing the passer calls over the past few seasons.

 

[LeGOATski]

5 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:

If they throw a flag have someone verify it quickly radio down RTP or no RTP 

 

they do it for other calls when they huddle so why not this 

It's too late for common sense. The NFL machine keeps chugging along.

[BigDingus]

9 minutes ago, eball said:

 

This is a false narrative that continues to be spread as if it is fact.  Look it up.  Brady has been the beneficiary of a ridiculously low number of roughing the passer calls over the past few seasons.

 

 

Excuse me sir, I don't let facts get in the way of hating on Brady! 😤

Now get out of here & don't come back (unless the facts support my Brady hate)! 

[Manther]

Josh gets hit late a lot and does not get the calls for Roughing the Passer.  He is a top 3 QB in the NFL (I think the best), why is he getting knocked to the ground late often when he is inside the pocket?  And, the tripping call missed on Jones was silliness.

 

It is infuriating not as much for the non calls, but, the wear and tear and potential injuries.

 

Why do the Ref's not protect JA17?

[Scott7975]

Where are the men in black from our playoff game that they decided intent on a rule when the NFL doesnt allow intent in the equation?  First time I seen them was that game on that play and that was also the last time I seen them.

[Billsfan1972]

20 minutes ago, eball said:

 

This is a false narrative that continues to be spread as if it is fact.  Look it up.  Brady has been the beneficiary of a ridiculously low number of roughing the passer calls over the past few seasons.

 

Brady seldom gets hit but when he does there is a high percentage that are called RTP.  

[Punching Bag]

8 minutes ago, Manther said:

Josh gets hit late a lot and does not get the calls for Roughing the Passer.  He is a top 3 QB in the NFL (I think the best), why is he getting knocked to the ground late often when he is inside the pocket?  And, the tripping call missed on Jones was silliness.

 

It is infuriating not as much for the non calls, but, the wear and tear and potential injuries.

 

Why do the Ref's not protect JA17?

When did JA17 last donate to Zebra Retirement Fund?

 

Personally I think he should run thru zebras a few times.

[T&C]

Everyone remembers when the black clad phantom officials rushed the field and took away a td By Rule.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Just enjoy that our team now has the product they want to sell. It’s going to help with the calls, the schedule and the rings. 
 

josh allen is the face of the nfl. 

[BucketList]

Brady may not be the beneficiary of many RTP calls, but he has been the beneficiary of many defensive holding, illegal contact and defensive pass interference calls throughout the majority of his career. Most of them occur when his team is driving to win the game. 

[Warcodered]

The penalty as it stands isn't bad, it's how bad the refs are at calling it that needs to be improved.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, T&C said:

Everyone remembers when the black clad phantom officials rushed the field and took away a td By Rule.

Because it was the right thing to do

[mikemac2001]

7 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Because it was the right thing to do

Hmm 

 

the rule was a TD the player made a mental mistake what’s the difference with making a mental mistake any other time during the game 

[JDubya76]

Vincent is an idiot. Always has been. You can’t teach common sense and you can’t fix stupid.

 

Fact of the matter is they need to decide what the threshold is for roughing and call it consistently. Personally, I would love to see them do anything consistently, just me. Right now almost anything would be better than suffering through these subjective interpretations and arbitrary applications.

 

That RTP call last night when “Let’s Ride” was tackled around the waist was egregious. 

[Rc2catch]

The quicker fans can stop blaming non calls and bad calls on every single game and accept it’s a flawed system the easier things will be. 
They clearly need some tweaks and maybe adding an extra challenge or two for coaches during the game. Making more plays reviewable would help such as roughing the passer. 
The only two calls I have seen actually determine the games were of course the Brady call, and the Chris Jones call on Matt Ryan for saying bad words. I can handle an extra 15 minutes a game to add a couple extra challenges if it helps sort this mess. 
Officiating is bad in every sport, there is no perfect science to it and everyone fans included have a bias 

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

The quicker fans can stop blaming non calls and bad calls on every single game and accept it’s a flawed system the easier things will be. 
They clearly need some tweaks and maybe adding an extra challenge or two for coaches during the game. Making more plays reviewable would help such as roughing the passer. 
The only two calls I have seen actually determine the games were of course the Brady call, and the Chris Jones call on Matt Ryan for saying bad words. I can handle an extra 15 minutes a game to add a couple extra challenges if it helps sort this mess. 
Officiating is bad in every sport, there is no perfect science to it and everyone fans included have a bias 

 

 

ROBOTS. 

 

 

 

 

They went overboard after the Tua fiasco. Take it out on Tua and the Dolphins, not the rest of the league and the fans. I’m all for looking after the QB, (especially OURS!), but there need to be limits to these horrible calls. It will run people off if it keeps going this way. How about we at least have real grass in EVERY STADIUM POSSIBLE. 

 

I’m seriously wondering, what percentage of concussions come from head contact with the turf? Sure, there are other possibilities, but it’s usually head on turf it seems. Grow some grass! 

[AlfaBill]

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

This is a false narrative that continues to be spread as if it is fact.  Look it up.  Brady has been the beneficiary of a ridiculously low number of roughing the passer calls over the past few seasons.

 

It’s not the number of calls. He typically avoids contact like a BTTCH. It’s when he does get hit it’s usually a weak RTP

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

This is a false narrative that continues to be spread as if it is fact.  Look it up.  Brady has been the beneficiary of a ridiculously low number of roughing the passer calls over the past few seasons.

 

 

All respect, I'm not sure that quite disproves.  I think defenders are cautious about hitting Brady, because he was given the flag for quite a long stretch.

[Brand J]

I suppose it is difficult to legislate intent, hence why the NFL doesn’t do it (men in black to overrule calls notwithstanding), but any major penalty, which is the 15+ yard variety, needs to be adjudicated by a 3rd party. It’s tough when you have someone like Sterratore sitting at home saying “that should not be a penalty,” which echoes the thoughts of everyone else with common sense. Like I said, I hope it happens to Jerry’s Cowboys, preferably against the Eagles in the playoffs, which sends Dallas home. I guarantee we’ll be looking at change after that.

[John from Riverside]

I’d like to see them in forcing the in the grasp rule Which they currently do not do this would protect QBs and it would also prevent QBs from using the fact that the defender Hass to slow down so they don’t draw penalty

[Beck Water]

on the other hand, this NON Call last night appears totally nutsoid.

 

How is this NOT "roughing"?

 

 

[Putin]

On 10/18/2022 at 4:39 PM, eball said:

 

This is a false narrative that continues to be spread as if it is fact.  Look it up.  Brady has been the beneficiary of a ridiculously low number of roughing the passer calls over the past few seasons.

 

F Brady 

[Warcodered]

6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

on the other hand, this NON Call last night appears totally nutsoid.

 

How is this NOT "roughing"?

 

 

Patriots hit him with their helmets from both ends.

[Don Otreply]

On 10/18/2022 at 7:47 PM, Rc2catch said:

The quicker fans can stop blaming non calls and bad calls on every single game and accept it’s a flawed system the easier things will be. 
They clearly need some tweaks and maybe adding an extra challenge or two for coaches during the game. Making more plays reviewable would help such as roughing the passer. 
The only two calls I have seen actually determine the games were of course the Brady call, and the Chris Jones call on Matt Ryan for saying bad words. I can handle an extra 15 minutes a game to add a couple extra challenges if it helps sort this mess. 
Officiating is bad in every sport, there is no perfect science to it and everyone fans included have a bias 

I have no bias, 😁👍