NFL WEEK #4 - Bills at Ravens - Post Game Thread

[MPT]

46 minutes ago, Big C said:

Totally. I think it’s telling that they weren’t able to agree on any extension before the season started, though. Poyer has been underpaid based on his performance here and he probably wants a little thanks from the Bills. 

 

He was overpaid his first few years with the Bills though. McDermott took him from obscurity and turned him into an all-pro and he's been paid handsomely for his services. I'd love to keep him but it's likely he wouldn't have the same impact in any other scheme and he's nearing the end of his career so he doesn't have a lot of leverage. His hiring of Rosenhaus says he thinks he can cash in another big contract but I think any other team would be disappointed in their investment if he gets exactly what he wants.

[newcam2012]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Listen... You can B word about that penalty all you want.  You are the same guy that would come in and criticize fans for complaining about refs.  here you are complaining about a legit call.  Lets just say that the call isnt legit though... it wouldnt have mattered.  That call was on a first down from the Ravens 41 yardline.  The outcome would have been no different, call or no call.

You don't know what the outcome would have been nor do I. 

[Neo]

24 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I honestly thought we were being blown out today, until the final offensive drive of the first half.

You weren’t alone!

[UKBillFan]

Just now, Comebackkid said:

What was the score again? 😛

 

If it was 23-3 we've kept our 20+ point margin going!

But we've lost the one score win.

 

Damn.

[Ralonzo]

8 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

He barely hit Allen. The Raven defensive player moved his body sideways to soften the hit. He didn't slam him to the ground nor was it a late hit. It was a bad call and even the announcer on TV acknowledged it. Cone on guys let's except the gift. No need to try to justify the terrible refs call. 

 

Looked to me like he paused to line up his helmet to Josh's face mask, which the Ravens were doing all game, and Josh had been telling the refs to watch for it. Well they finally saw it. Sucks to be cheap, Ravens.

[Comebackkid]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

 

If it was 23-3 we've kept our 20+ point margin going!

But we've lost the one score win.

 

Damn.

Lost that and the opening drive td 

[newcam2012]

7 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

McKenzie's injury? How many times did Josh end up with unreasonable late head-to-head contact? Sorry I can't remember the specific down for each occurence but there were a few.

Oh I agree the McKenzie hit was a penalty. I didn't really see Allen getting roughed up that would be penalties. However, many here in game time were complaining. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

[HalftimeAdjustment]

5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Ooof. Gotta be the DC already?  I cant see them firing Roman.  He is the perfect OC for that QB.

 

Does giving up 23 to Buffalo (with 2 turnovers) really warrant a DC firing? Seems extreme.

[newcam2012]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Nope. Allen was calling for flags all game and they gave him that one. 
 

Refs make bad calls. I wish they didn’t but it’s part of the game . Not why Baltimore lost.

This is fair. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[FLFan]

7 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

He barely hit Allen. The Raven defensive player moved his body sideways to soften the hit. He didn't slam him to the ground nor was it a late hit. It was a bad call and even the announcer on TV acknowledged it. Cone on guys let's except the gift. No need to try to justify the terrible refs call. 

Too funny.  He did not slam him to the ground because Josh Allen is 40 pounds heavier and 6 inches taller, combined with the fact that he stopped to watch the ball and then continued on, sapping his momentum. Obvious penalty.  

[Scott7975]

9 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

You don't know what the outcome would have been nor do I. 

 

It would have been 2nd and 15 from the 41 yardline.  The Bills drove to the half yard line.  Yes, I know what the outcome woulda been.

Edited October 2, 2022 by Scott7975

[UKBillFan]

Just now, newcam2012 said:

Oh I agree the McKenzie hit was a penalty. I didn't really see Allen getting roughed up that would be penalties. However, many here in game time were complaining. 

 

I'll have to watch back to judge them in full but a lot looked late. Plus I think the Ravens D are very good at sneaky holds away from the ref's eyeline but that could be argued as good play, even if they should be given as penalties.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[newcam2012]

5 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

Who are you man?  Almost seems like you’re upset the Bills won.

 

Every single game refs miss calls. Today was no exception. Sometimes it goes in your favor. Sometimes it doesn’t. It tends to even out in the end. 

Agree 100%. All I'm saying is that roughing the passer call was a terrible call. So many have been disagreeing with that. 

 

I'm not here saying refs don't make mistakes. 

 

I happen to think that call was a HUGE call. Perhaps a game changer. One will never know for obvious reasons. 2 and 15 at the 41 vs 1st and 10 at the 26. That's HUGE in my book under the circumstances. 

[Ralonzo]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Does Hamlin know about that Alien Facehugger on top of his head waiting to pounce?

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

17 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

He barely hit Allen. The Raven defensive player moved his body sideways to soften the hit. He didn't slam him to the ground nor was it a late hit. It was a bad call and even the announcer on TV acknowledged it. Cone on guys let's except the gift. No need to try to justify the terrible refs call. 

I’m not sure they called it for helmet to helmet…we’ll probably get an explanation tomorrow.  I think they called it cuz the defender completely stopped then josh got rid of the ball and they hit him anyway 

[newcam2012]

3 minutes ago, FLFan said:

Too funny.  He did not slam him to the ground because Josh Allen is 40 pounds heavier and 6 inches taller, combined with the fact that he stopped to watch the ball and then continued on, sapping his momentum. Obvious penalty.  

It was soft as can be. Under those game conditions the refs should have never made that call. Especially, as many have said the Ravens were previously hitting Allen a lot. So much for consistency. 

[DapperCam]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

McKenzie was smiling and walking in just behind Poyer, so that’s a good sign👍

He was smiling because he had no idea where he was

[Ralonzo]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

It was soft as can be. Under those game conditions the refs should have never made that call. Especially, as many have said the Ravens were previously hitting Allen a lot. So much for consistency. 

 

If the refs miss 5 calls and then finally make the 6th, are you gonna complain about the call they didn't miss?

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

It was soft as can be. Under those game conditions the refs should have never made that call. Especially, as many have said the Ravens were previously hitting Allen a lot. So much for consistency. 

 

boohoo.  The Bills won.  Sorry that upsets you.  Move on to next week where you predict the Steelers will win based off last year.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Yep, teams are scared of the Bills. Remember all the stupid decisions from the colts in the playoffs.

 

was also surprised they went for it on 4th and one on their own 30. 

[Billz4ever]

7 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said:

 

Does giving up 23 to Buffalo (with 2 turnovers) really warrant a DC firing? Seems extreme.

When it's a repeated offense, the case can be made.  Had the huge comeback loss to Miami, then today's comeback.  Statistically, I believe I saw they are ranked 32nd overall.  Let's just say if they aren't considering canning him, he's probably not getting a nice Christmas bonus this year.

[Warcodered]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

[Malazan]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

I didnt watch the game just seen the headline.  Wasnt the score still close at that point?

 

Depend on 'close', but had they put him in earlier they might not ever have been down 10-0

1 hour ago, Comebackkid said:

I'm wondering how long trubisky is going to hold on to his job

 

I'd guess it's already lost. 

[newcam2012]

Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

boohoo.  The Bills won.  Sorry that upsets you.  Move on to next week where you predict the Steelers will win based off last year.

No one is more happy about the Bills win than me! 

 

Your cheap shot is accepted. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

9 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Agree 100%. All I'm saying is that roughing the passer call was a terrible call. So many have been disagreeing with that. 

 

I'm not here saying refs don't make mistakes. 

 

I happen to think that call was a HUGE call. Perhaps a game changer. One will never know for obvious reasons. 2 and 15 at the 41 vs 1st and 10 at the 26. That's HUGE in my book under the circumstances. 

I don’t think 2nd and 15 is close to insurmountable…especially considering we picked up that 2nd and 25 after Allen’s junk got grabbed in the dolphins game. it was fringe fg range also.  
 

if we didn’t pick up a chunk on second we probably pick up a few yards on third and go up 3 

Edited October 2, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Bill Grundy]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Yep, teams are scared of the Bills. Remember all the stupid decisions from the colts in the playoffs.

 

was also surprised they went for it on 4th and one on their own 30. 

With such a reckless play as well. If Ricard or Dobbins had taken it up the gut, and failed, our final drive might have started on our own goal line. Instead they surrender the pick and we are on the move right away. 

[Fan in Chicago]

21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Allen affects game plans even when he is not on the field. 

[Billz4ever]

4 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

It was soft as can be. Under those game conditions the refs should have never made that call. Especially, as many have said the Ravens were previously hitting Allen a lot. So much for consistency. 

You can't hesitate and then hit a QB high after the ball is gone.  That is called 10 out of 10 times if it's QB's like Brady or Rodgers.  We finally got one to go our way for once.

[newcam2012]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I don’t think 2nd and 15 is close to insurmountable…especially considering we picked up that 2nd and 25 after Allen’s junk got grabbed in the dolphins game. it was fringe fg range also.  

I agree here. Definelty was doable the way Allen was playing. However, the Ravens were bringing lots of pressure. I'm glad the Bills caught a break from the refs. 

[tbonehawaii]

1 hour ago, Amorgus said:

I stopped posting because that's a jinx. Holy Christ they had no business winning that after the majority of the first half but here we are.

That’s the fates giving us a make up call for Miami!

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

You can't hesitate and then hit a QB high after the ball is gone.  That is called 10 out of 10 times if it's QB's like Brady or Rodgers.  We finally got one to go our way for once.

Because now we got a qb like Brady or Rodgers 🤩 

[Warcodered]

Harbaugh getting killed for not kicking the FG in the halftime report....like the Bills didn't drive it down to the 1 with 3 downs to get it in at the end of the game.

Edited October 2, 2022 by Warcodered

[newcam2012]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

You can't hesitate and then hit a QB high after the ball is gone.  That is called 10 out of 10 times if it's QB's like Brady or Rodgers.  We finally got one to go our way for once.

I've seen the replay plenty of times. It's not a penalty in my eyes. Nor was it for the announcer calling the game. So I think your 10 out of 10 theme is way off. 

[Scott7975]

7 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

No one is more happy about the Bills win than me! 

 

Your cheap shot is accepted. 

 

Wrong again.  Im happier.

[Billz4ever]

3 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I've seen the replay plenty of times. It's not a penalty in my eyes. Nor was it for the announcer calling the game. So I think your 10 out of 10 theme is way off. 

The ball was gone.  The defender hesitated, and then, even though the ball was gone, engaged and hit John high and knocked him down.

 

If you don't think that gets called against Brady or Rodgers, let's just say I've seen both of them get calls nowhere near what this was.

Edited October 2, 2022 by Billz4ever

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

[BigAl2526]

How many drops did Buffalo receivers have?  It seems like the wet conditions bothered the Bills receivers a lot more than it did Baltimore receivers.  I think Josh's stats took a major hit from the drops.