Poor coaching by McDermott is becoming a theme

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, twoandfourteen said:

 

Nevermind that all of the other games over the course of that stretch have been won by double digits. 

 

20-0 is pretty good in those games if you ask me. 

 

 

 

Sometimes you gotta find a way to win games that you have some adversity in...

 

Being a good front runner is all well and good but not every game is going to turn out that way

[JY422]

13 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I am a member of a general NFL forum and they have told me for the better part of a year now that McDermott holds our roster back. I’ve brushed off these comments for some time, but i’m starting to see their point.

 

- 0 and 7 in one score games the last two seasons

 

- Challenging a clear Titans catch last week was indefensible

 

- Not challenging a potential Gabe Davis TD this week was indefensible 

 

- Playing shallow coverage on 3rd and 22, allowing TWO seperate receivers to get open deep, is indefensible

 

- Not having your WR’s ready to go down with enough time to spike the ball

 

- Don’t even get me started on 13 seconds

 

- Our inability to win short yardage situations for several years is indefensible.

 

- We as a team seem to have removed QB sneak from the play book. We never run it. Ever. See this tweet for how I feel about that. Hard to think that’s not a directive from the top, seeing that two separate OC’s refuse to call it.

 

 

I don’t even have to read past the title to know this is absolute trash. Like worse-than-Jalen-Ramsey-calling-Josh-Allen-trash…. trash.

This is such a total and utter recency bias take. 
this is screen-shot worthy so the whole world can remind you of this trash take in February when you are making your plans to attend the parade. 
do us all a favor and stay home that day. 
 

thanks!

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am afraid you are incorrect.

 

"A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is inbounds"

 

a. secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

 

b. touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and

 

c. after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so."

 

The answer is in your reply.

 

The last 12 words to be precise.

 

You do NOT need an act common to the game in the endzone.

 

When was the last time you saw a player juke, extend the ball, turn upfield, etc IN THE ENDZONE?

 

You don’t.

[LABILLBACKER]

2 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

If McD challenged and lost would that be "indefensible" too?  

Maybe McD has a bunch of morons up in the booth telling him to throw the flag (or not). Maybe he needs to hire a smarter set of eyes upstairs. What a novel idea when you're something like 1-26 in challenges. Just sayin if something is wrong,  fix it.

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

To be fair, a lot of those injuries happened during the game… and both their RTs suck.

To be fair?  Does it matter when they got hurt when they can’t play?  You still don’t have them in the field.

[mrags]

12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

3rd string center

3rd string guard

2nd string RT

5th string CB

Back up CB

Diggs had to come off the field every other play in the 4th.

McKenzie had to go out multiple times.

Second string SS

Second string FS

Back up DT

2 practice squad DT called up.

Kumerow who has played decently also leaves with an injury.

 

100 degree heat index and no shade.

 

Thats what we dealt with today.

I agree with 100% of this. But the OP is not wrong. 0-7 in one score games is not a good look. 
 

this coaching staff definitely has issues with management, play calling at crucial times 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

The answer is in your reply.

 

The last 12 words to be precise.

 

You do NOT need an act common to the game in the endzone.

 

When was the last time you saw a player juke, extend the ball, turn upfield, etc IN THE ENDZONE?

 

You don’t.

Read C.  Its explained right there.  You can’t possibly miss this.  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

You're not wrong. 

 

Kahlil Shakir inactive again when you know Gabe Davis isn't right on that ankle today. 

 

The second drive of this game was pathetic and an absolute give up approach. 

 

Way too many times this team gets the playcall in late, its 3, 2, 1 and Josh is clamoring for the snap. 

 

And they don't play with any variance in tempo. 

 

 

Edited September 25, 2022 by Straight Hucklebuck

[CSBill]

Enough. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

The answer is in your reply.

 

The last 12 words to be precise.

 

You do NOT need an act common to the game in the endzone.

 

When was the last time you saw a player juke, extend the ball, turn upfield, etc IN THE ENDZONE?

 

You don’t.

 

No but you have to satisfy (C). He did not have time to commit a football move. 

 

If you think he did I suggest you get new eyes.

[Rick 'r Mortis]

You definitely resemble this Einstein and not the other.

 

[CoudyBills]

4 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

It’s not a drop. The defender knocked it out of his hands. You’re wrong. 

Semantics argument, great.  He needs to hold onto it.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Read C.  Its explained right there.  You can’t possibly miss this.  

 

Yes. Read the last 12 words of C.

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No but you have to satisfy (C). He did not have time to commit a football move. 

 

If you think he did I suggest you get new eyes.

 

Also by this theory, a toe-tap catch is not a catch.

 

There is no act common to the game when you make a sideline toe tap. No turn up field, no juke, no extending the ball upfield, just a catch.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

Yes. Read the last 12 words of C.

He didn’t hold onto it long enough.  It was knocked out quickly, it wasn’t a catch.

[Einstein]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

He didn’t hold onto it long enough.  It was knocked out quickly, it wasn’t a catch.

 

Your opinion is noted. Thank you. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

There is no act common to the game when you make a sideline toe tap. No turn up field, no juke, no extending the ball upfield, just a catch.

 

Yes and in that situation you must maintain control

[Budkin]

22 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said:

This place is the worst after a loss

 

This is what happens when you let the outcome of a sporting event which you have absolutely no control over dictate your emotional state for the rest of the day (or week). It's dangerous.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yes and in that situation you must maintain control

 

So C is removed?

[Bermuda Triangle]

9 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Maybe McD has a bunch of morons up in the booth telling him to throw the flag (or not). Maybe he needs to hire a smarter set of eyes upstairs. What a novel idea when you're something like 1-26 in challenges. Just sayin if something is wrong,  fix it.

McD should bring back Rex's Chaplain for challenge advice.

[twoandfourteen]

8 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Sometimes you gotta find a way to win games that you have some adversity in...

 

Being a good front runner is all well and good but not every game is going to turn out that way

I would agree, but those losses include ridiculous weather involvement for some of those games. There's only so much we could reasonably expect from this decimated team today. It's a tough loss, but I'm ok letting Miami enjoy their Super Bowl here in Week 2 on their way to irrelevance come December.

[UKBillFan]

I don't think the coaching was that bad today. The execution was far worse.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

So C is removed?

 

No. He must maintain control long enough to do so. You telling me you have never seen a player toe tap on the sideline and then lose control of the ball as he goes out of bounds and be called incomplete? 

 

You must maintain control of the ball long enough to do so. 

 

The rule is literally what the rule says.

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Your opinion is noted. Thank you. 

Have you noticed how many people argue against your posts?  You think there’s a reason for that?

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No. He must maintain control long enough to do so. You telling me you have never seen a player toe tap on the sideline and then lose control of the ball as he goes out of bounds and be called incomplete? 

 

You must maintain control of the ball long enough to do so. 

 

The rule is literally what the rule says.

It can’t be any clearer.  He’s arguing for the sake of arguing because its to complain against McDermott.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No. He must maintain control long enough to do so.

 

On a toe tap there is literally not enough time to do so.

 

A toe tap is quicker than Gabe had the ball.

 

If C is applicable in all circumstances then toe-taps are all incompletions as there is not enough time to have an act common to the game.

 

And as you pointed out, the catch is not enough. You need the act too.

[ToGoGo]

We lost? Who can I blame? How about the coach!!! 

[Bangarang]

7 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

Semantics argument, great.  He needs to hold onto it.

It’s not semantics. That’s the reality of what happened. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

It can’t be any clearer.  He’s arguing for the sake of arguing because its to complain against McDermott.

 

There was no rules analyst input today sadly. So we had Kevin Harlan and Trent Green butchering the rulebook all game long. 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Yea… no question I think Bills beat Dolphins fully healthy or even half healthy… however the flaws from last season remain. Shotty offensive line play, lack of playmakers outside of Allen, and coaching flaws in game.

Stefon Diggs is top 2 since 2020 in catches and yards.  League leader in TD catches coming into this game.  Nope, Allen is the only playmaker.

[Victory Formation]

McDermott or Ken Dorsey? I think it’s more Ken Dorsey at this point.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

On a toe tap there is literally not enough time to do so.

 

A toe tap is quicker than Gabe had the ball.

 

If C is applicable in all circumstances then toe-taps are all incompletions as there is not enough time to have an act common to the game.

 

And as you pointed out, the catch is not enough. You need the act too.

 

No. On a toe tap the player as he goes out of bounds must maintain control long enough for there to be a football move. If he were to toe tap with control in bounds and as the "third foot" hits out of bounds drop the ball that is incomplete because he hasn't satisfied (C). And you always see that called incomplete too.

[MPT]

16 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

The answer is in your reply.

 

The last 12 words to be precise.

 

You do NOT need an act common to the game in the endzone.

 

When was the last time you saw a player juke, extend the ball, turn upfield, etc IN THE ENDZONE?

 

You don’t.

 

"...or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so."

[Bangarang]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

On a toe tap there is literally not enough time to do so.

 

A toe tap is quicker than Gabe had the ball.

 

If C is applicable in all circumstances then toe-taps are all incompletions as there is not enough time to have an act common to the game.

 

And as you pointed out, the catch is not enough. You need the act too.

Establishing control and going out of bounds with said control is the act.

Edited September 25, 2022 by Bangarang

[Dopey]

34 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I am a member of a general NFL forum and they have told me for the better part of a year now that McDermott holds our roster back. I’ve brushed off these comments for some time, but i’m starting to see their point.

 

- 0 and 7 in one score games the last two seasons

 

- Challenging a clear Titans catch last week was indefensible

 

- Not challenging a potential Gabe Davis TD this week was indefensible 

 

- Playing shallow coverage on 3rd and 22, allowing TWO seperate receivers to get open deep, is indefensible

 

- Not having your WR’s ready to go down with enough time to spike the ball

 

- Don’t even get me started on 13 seconds

 

- Our inability to win short yardage situations for several years is indefensible.

 

- We as a team seem to have removed QB sneak from the play book. We never run it. Ever. See this tweet for how I feel about that. Hard to think that’s not a directive from the top, seeing that two separate OC’s refuse to call it.

 

 

What is this 13 seconds you speak of? 

[Nextmanup]

That Tweet in the OP is hilarious!  It comes right at the end so you have to be a little patient with it.

 

Regarding the other stuff, this is a legitimate complaint. I don't know what we would really do about it, though, other than hope we get a much better review/challenge process in place.

 

It's fair to point out that McDermott is NOT a good in-game tactician.  He's actually probably below average.

 

But what can you do?  It would be nice to think we could win a close game due to coaching brilliance, or that we enjoy some small advantage because of coaching.

 

In reality, it's the opposite--it benefits our opponent in a really close game...hopefully it won't matter this year on our way to a SB victory.

 

 

[Einstein]

Just now, Bangarang said:

Establishing control and going out of bounds is the act.

 

“Control” can’t be an act common to the game since it is another named section (A/B).

 

Gabe had control and 2 feet down.

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No. On a toe tap the player as he goes out of bounds must maintain control long enough for there to be a football move. If he were to toe tap with control in bounds and as the "third foot" hits out of bounds drop the ball that is incomplete because he hasn't satisfied (C). And you always see that called incomplete too.

 

So if he toe taps, then immediately

tosses it to the ref… incomplete?

 

(i’m setting you up)

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

“Control” can’t be an act common to the game since it is another named section (A/B).

 

Gabe had control and 2 feet down.

 

But didn't make a football move (which can include tucking the ball away btw) and didn't have time to do so. Because as he was tucking it away the DB knocked it loose. 

 

You are flogging a dead horse here. There is 0% chance that would have been overturned.

[zow2]

Remember when the Bucs kept getting close with Dungy, then finally had enough and traded for John Gruden.  
Gruden then lead them to a Super Bowl win.

 

Not saying Mcdermott is in trouble, but it’s an example of what has happened in the past with a Championship caliber team.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

So if he toe taps, then immediately

tosses it to the ref… incomplete?

 

(i’m setting you up)

 

A player cannot toe tap and then immediately throw to the ref. Because after the tap he will need to re-establish proper balance. You can't toe tap and land in one motion. If you toe tap, re-establish your balance (which is almost always the "third foot" coming down out of bounds) and at the end of that process you still posses the ball then you can toss it to who you want. C is satisfied. 

 

Let's imagine you toe tap and in the millisecond where you toe lifts up from the toe tap you throw the ball to the ref then yes, that is incomplete. But that doesn't happen because of gravity.

[Fan boy '92]

It would have been six pre-2010. Adding the football move to the rule really made things fun didn't it?

 

But regarding McD, if he doesn't look in over his head a lot of the time to most people, I don't know if you're paying attention.

Edited September 25, 2022 by Fan boy '92
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