TheyCallMeAndy Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Here’s a fun little game to get us by the next few weeks: which 2022 cuts could’ve made a roster during the drought era? Who could’ve even been a starter? We only have a few cuts to this point, but I definitely feel like M. Lee competes for a starting LB role on some of those Chan teams. Side note, 2022 Case Keenum would’ve been one of the better QBs we had during that stretch. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 I feel concerned that we are going to make a mistake and cut Crowder. That guy starts for almost every Bills team of the drought 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I feel concerned that we are going to make a mistake and cut Crowder. That guy starts for almost every Bills team of the drought I feel Hodgins makes a few of them too, early drought like the Fitz teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Just look at our initial 53 man roster Allen's rookie year at WR. Foster, Jones, Holmes, Kerley, and McCloud do not make this team. Benjamin maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Just now, Doc Brown said: Just look at our initial 53 man roster Allen's rookie year at WR. Foster, Jones, Holmes, Kerley, and McCloud do not make this team. Benjamin maybe. Wasn’t a drought team thanks to Tyrod lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Just look at our initial 53 man roster Allen's rookie year at WR. Foster, Jones, Holmes, Kerley, and McCloud do not make this team. Benjamin maybe. I don’t even think Biscuit makes this team either. 1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: I don’t even think Biscuit makes this team either. 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Just look at our initial 53 man roster Allen's rookie year at WR. Foster, Jones, Holmes, Kerley, and McCloud do not make this team. Benjamin maybe. That brings up another fun game… does the best player on each drought team start on this current team? 🤔 Edited August 21, 2022 by TheyCallMeAndy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Wasn’t a drought team thanks to Tyrod lol Tyrod had Wood, Incognito, and McCoy (before he lost a step). Throwing Allen into that offense in 2018 was criminal negligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: That brings up another fun game… does the best player on each drought team start on this current team? 🤔 Kyle starts as DT. Several of the guards as well depending on how well they adjust to Coach McD team philosphy. Eric Wood would have no trouble fitting in but Icognito? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Kyle starts as DT. Several of the guards as well depending on how well they adjust to Coach McD team philosphy. Eric Wood would have no trouble fitting in but Icognito? Obviously Shady too. Mario Williams vs Von Miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Obviously Shady too. Mario Williams vs Von Miller Williams and Miller, 2 DE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Singletary, Moss, Cook, Blackshear, Duke are all better than anyone not named McCoy from the 2018 team at the RB position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 9 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: That brings up another fun game… does the best player on each drought team start on this current team? 🤔 Jason Peters at LT and Marshawn Lynch at RB certainly would have. Both were Pro Bowlers when on the Bills, and went on to be All Pros. Peters had a HOF career. Lynch may become a HOFer, too. The problem with the teams during the drought wasn't that they lacked good/great players (except during the Russ Brandon/Dick Jauron regime). It was that the Bills refused to hire top class HCs and assistants coupled with their disinterest in re-signing the talented young players they developed. Numerous former Bills players from drought teams went on to play in the Super Bowl, and some of them were instrumental in their teams' Super Bowl wins. Virtually none of the Bills former HCs or assistants went on to coach on good teams. Off hand, I can think of only 2 -- Perry Fewell and Anthony Lynn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 37 minutes ago, SoTier said: Virtually none of the Bills former HCs or assistants went on to coach on good teams. Off hand, I can think of only 2 -- Perry Fewell and Anthony Lynn. Other than that one playoff run where they smoked the Ravens with rookie Lamar and then got torched by Brady for daring to play zone defense against him I don’t think I’d call Lynn a coach who coached good teams. He had a great Chargers team and underperformed. Some of his in game situational clock management was criminally bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 10 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Here’s a fun little game to get us by the next few weeks: which 2022 cuts could’ve made a roster during the drought era? Who could’ve even been a starter? We only have a few cuts to this point, but I definitely feel like M. Lee competes for a starting LB role on some of those Chan teams. Side note, 2022 Case Keenum would’ve been one of the better QBs we had during that stretch. All of them. Not only starters, they would have made the Bills WoF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Jairus Byrd was franchise tagged in 2013. (yeah, a lot of that had to do with overall roster strategy, but still) Think about that for a minute. On second thought, don't bother. He would be a backup safety on this team. But it's not like those drought teams were without talent. James Cook dreams of having the start (but not the finish) to his NFL career that CJ Spiller had. Devin Singletary is the poor man's Fred Jackson. Dion Dawkins is good, but not prime Jason Peters good. Prime Stephon Gilmore is prime Tre White good. Hell, even rookie Kiko Alonso (before he broke down) would find plenty of snaps available somewhere on this team. By the way, amazing how many of these guys I just mentioned had their Bills careers end badly. In retrospect, was it really about those players, or was it about an inept organization frustrating the hell out of these players? Thank goodness that's all history now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 14 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I feel concerned that we are going to make a mistake and cut Crowder. That guy starts for almost every Bills team of the drought It’s tough because you know we aren’t seeing the full playbook in preseason. However, Crowders had the same opportunities as Shakir and it’s not even a competition on the field. If you didn’t know their histories and just watched their output, Shakir is the runaway favorite to make the team. With McKenzie seemingly locked as our slot receiver, I don’t know that I’m paying Crowder to be the 4/5 receiver I’m more concerned about the rumors of them released Kumerow because of how well Hodgins looks. I don’t trust his injury history. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 13 hours ago, Ralonzo said: Singletary, Moss, Cook, Blackshear, Duke are all better than anyone not named McCoy from the 2018 team at the RB position. 2018 yes, not 2017. Shady was like 80% of the bills offense in 17 2 minutes ago, Virgil said: It’s tough because you know we aren’t seeing the full playbook in preseason. However, Crowders had the same opportunities as Shakir and it’s not even a competition on the field. If you didn’t know their histories and just watched their output, Shakir is the runaway favorite to make the team. With McKenzie seemingly locked as our slot receiver, I don’t know that I’m paying Crowder to be the 4/5 receiver I’m more concerned about the rumors of them released Kumerow because of how well Hodgins looks. I don’t trust his injury history. Kumerow has been here a while and has done nothing on offense. He is a special teamer. I think the real question is, can the bills afford to lose him on special teams and can hodgins fill that void 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 all of 'em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 (edited) People act like we were a college team during the drought lol Over the 17 years we had periods of having good talent on the team … but no qb we’ve had guys like Eric wood and incognito on the line … levitre lynch , Jackson , spiller , shady at RB Bob woods , Harvin , Goodwin , Stevie j, lee evans at WR great defensive secondaries really good defensive lines What we didn’t have was a quarterback Edited August 21, 2022 by Buffalo716 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted August 22, 2022 Author Share Posted August 22, 2022 I think Haak could’ve made some of those later teams when we had dudes like Colton Smidt. Tavon Austin probably gets a starting role in the Fitz era lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 20 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Jairus Byrd was franchise tagged in 2013. (yeah, a lot of that had to do with overall roster strategy, but still) Think about that for a minute. On second thought, don't bother. He would be a backup safety on this team. But it's not like those drought teams were without talent. James Cook dreams of having the start (but not the finish) to his NFL career that CJ Spiller had. Devin Singletary is the poor man's Fred Jackson. Dion Dawkins is good, but not prime Jason Peters good. Prime Stephon Gilmore is prime Tre White good. Hell, even rookie Kiko Alonso (before he broke down) would find plenty of snaps available somewhere on this team. By the way, amazing how many of these guys I just mentioned had their Bills careers end badly. In retrospect, was it really about those players, or was it about an inept organization frustrating the hell out of these players? Thank goodness that's all history now. I think I'd rather have Spikes or Poz in the middle instead of Edmunds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: People act like we were a college team during the drought lol Over the 17 years we had periods of having good talent on the team … but no qb we’ve had guys like Eric wood and incognito on the line … levitre lynch , Jackson , spiller , shady at RB Bob woods , Harvin , Goodwin , Stevie j, lee evans at WR great defensive secondaries really good defensive lines What we didn’t have was a quarterback Because inept managers like Marv, Nix, Whaley and Brandon never put in the effort to either tank to get one or trade picks necessary to get one. Largely because Ralph was cheap, old and completely disinterested in fielding a winning team. Edited August 22, 2022 by Joe in Winslow 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: I think I'd rather have Spikes or Poz in the middle instead of Edmunds. Those guys would get rekt in a modern offense Era 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: I think Haak could’ve made some of those later teams when we had dudes like Colton Smidt. Tavon Austin probably gets a starting role in the Fitz era lol Schmidt might have been better than Haack. Yikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 22 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: People act like we were a college team during the drought lol Over the 17 years we had periods of having good talent on the team … but no qb we’ve had guys like Eric wood and incognito on the line … levitre lynch , Jackson , spiller , shady at RB Bob woods , Harvin , Goodwin , Stevie j, lee evans at WR great defensive secondaries really good defensive lines What we didn’t have was a quarterback Agreed. Allen (not rookie Allen) on most of the drought rosters and we are making the playoffs many of those years. We rarely had horrible teams - only won less than 6 games only 3 times in those 17 years. Most were simply mediocre teams with no QB or even good teams with no QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Because inept managers like Marv, Nix, Whaley and Brandon never put in the effort to either tank to get one or trade picks necessary to get one. Largely because Ralph was cheap, old and completely disinterested in fielding a winning team. Thanks for this root cause analysis. Finding a QB was far from the biggest problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 On 8/21/2022 at 2:46 PM, Buffalo716 said: People act like we were a college team during the drought lol Over the 17 years we had periods of having good talent on the team … but no qb we’ve had guys like Eric wood and incognito on the line … levitre lynch , Jackson , spiller , shady at RB Bob woods , Harvin , Goodwin , Stevie j, lee evans at WR great defensive secondaries really good defensive lines What we didn’t have was a quarterback Agreed most of the drought the issue was less the Bills overall talent and the QB/coach being enough. HAD the Bills actually been 3-13 a lot they probably would've broken the drought earlier as they would've backed into a QB. But only two seasons they really were bad in 2001 after going 3-13 it led to Mike Williams and 2010 when they went 4-12 it was Dareus. 9 of the drought seasons the Bills were between 7-9 and 9-7 which is the absolute worst place to be but they usually would have 1-2 pretty good skill position guys (WR/RB) and enough guys on D to make it stick for a bit. Part of what made the drought the drought was the proverbial "In The Hunt" seasons as they were just close enough to be in the graphic but never good enough to make it. I have thought it will never happen again as the expanded post season makes me thinks even a really really bad franchise will luck out of it, BUT the Jets are cruising to what looks to be a 12th consecutive season with no post season. Maybe its just an AFC East thing and each team is taking a turn lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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