Airseven Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 There's nothing to understand. It doesn't make sense and it won't happen. Bills have terrific WR depth with a good mix of vets and youth and ability. Beckham is an obnoxious, overrated media darling at this point in his career. 3 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 19 minutes ago, Airseven said: There's nothing to understand. It doesn't make sense and it won't happen. Bills have terrific WR depth with a good mix of vets and youth and ability. Beckham is an obnoxious, overrated media darling at this point in his career. I'm sorry....did you not watch the Rams playoff games? He had 26 for 288 and 2 TD's He would have been the SB Mvp if not for the injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Howard tore his Achilles I think? I would love OBJ as late season insurance (hopefully everyone stays healthy) and because no defense can handle our 3 or 4 WR set at that point Ah, I had thought it was an ACL. Achilles I would grade as worse in terms of coming back to form from, but ACL's can also take players until their 2nd season back to fully recover from. Even our own Tre White is no guarantee to be his old self this season which is why I like having more depth a CB this year too. So for OBJ, I still say its 100% going to come down to a football decision, not a locker room concern as I don't really think anyone across the NFL really has that concern for him anymore. And I am not sure he will make football sense unless we have some injuries. I mean who do you take snaps away from? Not Diggs or Davis, and we are deep at slot with McKenzie, Shakir, and Crowder. I guess they could cut someone like Crowder, but still, you have McKenzie and Shakir that have been garnering rave reviews from everyone on the team that still will be there for those snaps. OBJ will also likely get more snaps if he goes back to Rams having already been there, knowing the system, and being able to probably be the #3 guy right away behind Kupp and Robinson. So while I would not be against signing him, I just don't see it making a lot of sense for either side unless we are dealing with some injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Jauronimo said: Any deal we sign him to will be a 2 month rental with virtually no risk. He gets to ring chase and we get a risk-free option on big play OBJ. If hes back to 90% speed by the playoffs, just having him out there for 10 snaps a game to give the defense something to think about is worth it in my opinion He jumped in and immediately played meaningful snaps in LA while having no time with their playbook. Look at Week 11 and beyond. https://www.lineups.com/nfl/snap-counts I get the idea of disruption of the core offense but hasn't been much of an issue in Tampa or LA where great receivers joined teams with already potent offenses. I get that, but who do you take snaps away from to get him on the field? Not Diggs or Davis, and we are 3 deep at slot as it is with rave reviews coming out on both McKenzie and Shakir and still having Crowder too. If those guys are producing and performing well from the slot, do we really want to take them off the field for a guy coming off an ACL who doesn't know the offense yet? Josh Allen plays a LOT of improvisation on the field, that is harder to walk in and adapt to because the QB needs to know the WR and what he is going to do and vice versa. Like I said in another reply, I am not against signing him, I am just not sure it makes a lot of football sense for him or us, especially since he could have a bigger role on the reigning SB Champs he just played with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I get that, but who do you take snaps away from to get him on the field? Not Diggs or Davis, and we are 3 deep at slot as it is with rave reviews coming out on both McKenzie and Shakir and still having Crowder too. If those guys are producing and performing well from the slot, do we really want to take them off the field for a guy coming off an ACL who doesn't know the offense yet? Josh Allen plays a LOT of improvisation on the field, that is harder to walk in and adapt to because the QB needs to know the WR and what he is going to do and vice versa. Like I said in another reply, I am not against signing him, I am just not sure it makes a lot of football sense for him or us, especially since he could have a bigger role on the reigning SB Champs he just played with. A healthy OBJ would absolutely take snaps away from Shakir, McKenzie, and Crowder. Davis can play all over the field. I think Gabe would feast with OBJ and Diggs on opposite boundaries. A game ready OBJ expands the playbook. OBJ was playing 50 snaps a game after two weeks with the LAR playbook. Injuries have been a factor at WR the past 2 playoff runs. I picture OBJ coming in and going 2 for 2 for 70 yards and a TD in the AFC Championship game and having 4 catches for 80 in a lopsided super bowl victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I get that, but who do you take snaps away from to get him on the field? Not Diggs or Davis, and we are 3 deep at slot as it is with rave reviews coming out on both McKenzie and Shakir and still having Crowder too. If those guys are producing and performing well from the slot, do we really want to take them off the field for a guy coming off an ACL who doesn't know the offense yet? Josh Allen plays a LOT of improvisation on the field, that is harder to walk in and adapt to because the QB needs to know the WR and what he is going to do and vice versa. Like I said in another reply, I am not against signing him, I am just not sure it makes a lot of football sense for him or us, especially since he could have a bigger role on the reigning SB Champs he just played with. That's the question and likely won't know til later into the season. Depends who has been least productive or struggled during that time. That would be my guess if it were to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: A healthy OBJ would absolutely take snaps away from Shakir, McKenzie, and Crowder. Davis can play all over the field. I think Gabe would feast with OBJ and Diggs on opposite boundaries. A game ready OBJ expands the playbook. OBJ was playing 50 snaps a game after two weeks with the LAR playbook. Injuries have been a factor at WR the past 2 playoff runs. I picture OBJ coming in and going 2 for 2 for 70 yards and a TD in the AFC Championship game and having 4 catches for 80 in a lopsided super bowl victory. Again, playing WR here is more complicated than playing WR for the Rams, all our players have said this. Between our highly complicated offense and the added dimension of how much our QB improvises on the fly, its not the same thing as walking into a team with a traditional pocket passer. Second, you again are presuming he is healthy and close to what he was, that is not the most plausible scenario though. Sure it's possible, but the more common scenario is that OBJ won't get back to close to where he was until next season. It takes time to over come not only the physical side of things once back on the field, but also the mental. Again, not against signing him, I am just talking about how likely it is. And if our receivers are healthy and playing well, I think its more likely OBJ signs back with the Rams where he will also have a bigger role. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Again, playing WR here is more complicated than playing WR for the Rams, all our players have said this. Between our highly complicated offense and the added dimension of how much our QB improvises on the fly, its not the same thing as walking into a team with a traditional pocket passer. Second, you again are presuming he is healthy and close to what he was, that is not the most plausible scenario though. Sure it's possible, but the more common scenario is that OBJ won't get back to close to where he was until next season. It takes time to over come not only the physical side of things once back on the field, but also the mental. Again, not against signing him, I am just talking about how likely it is. And if our receivers are healthy and playing well, I think its more likely OBJ signs back with the Rams where he will also have a bigger role. All of our players have said playing WR in our offense is more complicated than in the Rams system? I'll need to see a source for this. Pretty sure OBJ can figure out a pro offense and run a scramble drill. We are discussing how he fits in the Bills offense which comes with the assumption that hes healthy enough to get on the field and perform at a high level. I am not making any predictions on the timeline of his recovery. Were you discussing how he fits into this offense under the hypothetical that hes still on crutches? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 how do you like me now Beane? Can I be a Buffalo Bill? Odell tweet it ODB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) What a difference a week or so makes! WR depth is nice if your OL isn't a liability, if you can run reliably, and if your D doesn't have massive injuries everywhere. I could see OBJ hoisting the Lombardi with this team, but that's not where we are at the moment. Edited September 26, 2022 by TheCockSportif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Anyone still think there's no room for OBJ on this team? A lot can change for depth in a short time. People were very quick to forget AFCCG loss to the chiefs and how every WR was banged up hobbled like today. We won't deal with heat like today, but going in with someone like Gabe out will happen again, whether its ankle or hammy or hand or whatever. That late season juice is very welcomed and I hope today is enough of a wake up call, that we decide to bring in the best avail FA Weapon we can get our hands on 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 9 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN Why do you say that? And why are you yelling? Do you have inside information? Or can you articulate your belief? Or is that only just your opinion stated as fact? Every player in NFL knows Buffalo is a top notch organization, and we are a desired destination with this juggernaut Bills team. ODB had been flirting with Bills. And speed is needed at WR. Injuries have taken their toll. And Beane is always looking to improve the roster. ODB might be some fresh air to late playoff push Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 32 minutes ago, Pete said: Why do you say that? And why are you yelling? Do you have inside information? Or can you articulate your belief? Or is that only just your opinion stated as fact? Every player in NFL knows Buffalo is a top notch organization, and we are a desired destination with this juggernaut Bills team. ODB had been flirting with Bills. And speed is needed at WR. Injuries have taken their toll. And Beane is always looking to improve the roster. ODB might be some fresh air to late playoff push OBJ is not going to be a Bill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Not sure what the outlook on Kumerow is, although that’s a perfect example of why getting OBJ onto our ranks now is not a bad idea. Some late season WR depth insurance… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 lol this bump. OBJ is a guy sitting at home on his twice repaired torn ACL....and he's going to be the WR injury insurance for this team a few months from now... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: OBJ is not going to be a Bill. Says you lol. I asked for you to explain. Can you you substantiate? I guess your opinion should be viewed as facts by all. do you have it everyone? OBJ will not be a Bills because Slim Shady says so! Edited September 26, 2022 by Pete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 There would be no trade, he is a UFA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pete said: Says you lol. I asked for you to explain. Can you you substantiate? I guess your opinion should be viewed as facts by all. do you have it everyone? OBJ will not be a Bills because Slim Shady says so! Damn straight Skippy FFS How many more times MUST I explain it in 1 thread? 1. The Bills just don’t need him Period EOS. Want more? 2. He’s hardly ever proven to be a Process guy. what makes me certain he won’t? 3. WHEN HAS ANY TRADE BEEN PUBLICIZED by the Bills in the past 5 years!!!!!!!!! 8 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: lol this bump. OBJ is a guy sitting at home on his twice repaired torn ACL....and he's going to be the WR injury insurance for this team a few months from now... there is another 58 minutes ago, Big Turk said: There would be no trade, he is a UFA and another On 9/8/2022 at 4:22 PM, Alphadawg7 said: Again, playing WR here is more complicated than playing WR for the Rams, all our players have said this. Between our highly complicated offense and the added dimension of how much our QB improvises on the fly, its not the same thing as walking into a team with a traditional pocket passer. Second, you again are presuming he is healthy and close to what he was, that is not the most plausible scenario though. Sure it's possible, but the more common scenario is that OBJ won't get back to close to where he was until next season. It takes time to over come not only the physical side of things once back on the field, but also the mental. Again, not against signing him, I am just talking about how likely it is. And if our receivers are healthy and playing well, I think its more likely OBJ signs back with the Rams where he will also have a bigger role. and another Tell me when you get it Edited September 26, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 3:34 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Damn straight Skippy FFS How many more times MUST I explain it in 1 thread? 1. The Bills just don’t need him Period EOS. Want more? 2. He’s hardly ever proven to be a Process guy. what makes me certain he won’t? 3. WHEN HAS ANY TRADE BEEN PUBLICIZED by the Bills in the past 5 years!!!!!!!!! there is another and another and another Tell me when you get it So how sure are we about this still? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) We need to stop talking about OBJ. He’s no where near ready to play football. When he’s ready sure, but we’re talking December. Edited October 2, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 25 minutes ago, Warcodered said: So how sure are we about this still? still think it my friend You try to catch a 🚀 with wet hands 🙌 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 1 minute ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: still think it my friend You try to catch a 🚀 with wet hands 🙌 You'd think they practiced that all week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 If you brought in a couch 🛋️ potato it would take a month before he’d be ready to play in this offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 The Bills should bring in OBJ. Discuss… 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: The Bills should bring in OBJ. Discuss… No Brainer 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Pete said: No Brainer Yup. Need another WR threat, and OBJ, given his weirdness, will not be exposing himself in the old HoJo pool, near Niagara Fails, anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 25 minutes ago, Pete said: No Brainer 23 minutes ago, TheCockSportif said: Yup. Need another WR threat, and OBJ, given his weirdness, will not be exposing himself in the old HoJo pool, near Niagara Fails, anytime soon. He’s just so dangerous and can play anywhere. The guy is a winner and a great big game player. Everyone seems to love playing with him. It feels like the type of move that championship teams make. He would fit in perfectly. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Wouldn't mind seeing Odell Beckham Jr. on Buffalo. Great route runner. Big play maker. Don't think he'll be ready to play till December. There a bigger chance in my opinion that is either resigned by Rams, heads to Tampa or goes back to NY Giants before he comes over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 On 9/8/2022 at 10:54 AM, Airseven said: There's nothing to understand. It doesn't make sense and it won't happen. Bills have terrific WR depth with a good mix of vets and youth and ability. Beckham is an obnoxious, overrated media darling at this point in his career. I’ve been against bringing in that prima donna in the past, but, other than Diggs, I don’t think opposing defenses are too concerned about facing our WRs. I really expected Davis to shine this season coming off that awesome playoff game. He’s been dinged but has only 8 receptions in 3 games, with only 1 in this game. He was only targeted 3 times. Did he only play a limited number of snaps, was he not getting open or did Josh just look elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 In 2020, Gabe Davis filled-in regularly for John Brown and did great. In 2021, Gabe Davis filled-in regularly for Emmanuel Sanders and did great. In 2022, Gabe Davis played the first game healthy and did great. The problem is not Davis. Our offense started struggling after the first drive of the Miami game. We stopped throwing downfield, and all of our routes suddenly seem jammed up about 10-15 yards from the line of scrimmage. This is causing problems with our WRs getting open, and Josh Allen is being forced to squeeze the ball into very tight spaces, almost throwing multiple picks in the last two games. It shouldn't be surprising that our issues coincided directly with Jake Kumerow getting injured (on the second drive of the Dolphins game), and then us forcing Davis back into the lineup before he was really ready. My guess is that Davis was only supposed to be an emergency backup in Week 3 until the Kumerow injury. Now he's on the field, but he's not going deep, he's not getting open, and suddenly seems to be having drop issues (which makes sense if he's too mentally focused on the injury). We no longer have a deep outside threat, and it's causing problems. I'm sure the Bills would have loved to sit Davis for a few weeks and let him heal, but with serious injury issues at OL, DT and CB, they just didn't have the bodies to do that. If the injury report looks better this week, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if we call-up Isaiah Hodgins from the practice squad. As mentioned before, the problem with OBJ is that he isn't going to play until Thanksgiving. We need help now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 0.1% chance he signs there IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said: Non story. He will not be ready to play football for months. He won't be singing anywhere anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 On 10/3/2022 at 12:14 AM, ScottLaw said: The Giants? No way. Def could see Tampa or LA… but man, he’s the one missing piece for this offense assuming he’s healthy IMO. Icing on the cake for this O. Would love to see him here if he's healthy. The reason I bring up NY Giants is because read that some of the players there are petitioning for his return and Odell is definitely a player that Daboll loves. Imagine what Dabble could do with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) Von Miller was with Josh Allen on his Von Cast show and the question (I think from a fan) was if you could bring one former player you've played with onto this Bills team who would it be? His response was OBJ, mentioned we do have a great group of receivers Allen's reaction was a rye smile and "mmmm" Edited October 5, 2022 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Billz4ever Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said: The Giants lead the league in rushing and are 31st in the league in passing. I would have no idea why he would ever want to go back to the Giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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