Deshaun Watson admits under oath that Ashley Solis cried at the end of the massage

[Doc Brown]

13 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

 

  Lol as a woman I don't automatically assume such allegations are factual, but when there's that many claiming similar incidents by the same man it's very hard to ignore that the accused is likely guilty and then for him to admit that one of his accusers cried and he apologized in texts to one for making her feel uncomfortable does make it look like he is guilty as well.  

 

   He does appear to be a serial sex offender and as such he's not gonna stop offending.  I expect he will be caught and then any guaranteed money he manages to actually get will be funneled to his victims in huge chunks. I'd hope any massage therapist in Cleveland are smart enough to insist on video recording his massage sessions with the video tape given to him at end of session if nothing untoward occurs.  If he does persist in his acts then the tape is evidence against him.  If he's as innocent as he claims he would have no objections to this.  In fact an innocent man might actually insist on taping such sessions to protect against any false accusations of similar behavior going forward.  If he is only after massage legitimately then why doesn't he get some male masseur instead. 

 

   

Something tells me the Browns will insist a guy named Big Mike gives him a massage on team facilities with cameras moving forward.  Lol.

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Rusty Hardon is actually the same lawyer who represented the crook who headed up Haslam’s pilot flying J company 

 

https://www.cleveland.com/sports/2022/03/houston-attorney-representing-quarterback-deshaun-watson-played-role-in-fraud-trial-of-browns-owner-jimmy-haslams-company.html?outputType=amp

 

and he is getting killed in this case, at least in the PR sense which will have a lot to do with how Roger feels he has disrespected the shield 

Goodell uses the shield to protect the nfl and the players. Not the people affected by it and/or paying them their salary. 

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, AuntieEm said:

 

  Lol as a woman I don't automatically assume such allegations are factual, but when there's that many claiming similar incidents by the same man it's very hard to ignore that the accused is likely guilty and then for him to admit that one of his accusers cried and he apologized in texts to one for making her feel uncomfortable does make it look like he is guilty as well.  

 

   

 

 

It makes me think this is all much much worse then we know and I feel like the combination of Watson's lawyers and the league are doing their best to mitigate this as much as possible.

 

And the victims of this POS watch him sign a 250 million dollar contract as it plays out.  

 

Unconscionable.  

 

Knew he was the minute he set the Texans on fire because he didn't get to name the GM.  Not a QB coach or OC.  The freaking GM.  

 

SCUMBAG.  

[RiotAct]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

uh huh huh huh huh….. “Hard”.

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Knew he was the minute he set the Texans on fire because he didn't get to name the GM.  Not a QB coach or OC.  The freaking GM.

Not getting into the other stuff which is it's own bag of flaming *****, this part I put on the Texans, they told him he'd be a part of the decision and then did it without him.

[Big Blitz]

29 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Not getting into the other stuff which is it's own bag of flaming *****, this part I put on the Texans, they told him he'd be a part of the decision and then did it without him.

 

 

"Part of the decision."  

 

Who said?  What did they tell him?

 

Based on Watson's intricate knowledge of front office personnel?  

 

The Texans are morons for even considering his 2 cents.  And Watson is a an entitled baby to think he should be.

 

Just ask to be traded if you're done with the franchise at 24 yo because you know how this all works and got it figured out.

 

Prick.

[cle23]

11 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

"Part of the decision."  

 

Who said?  What did they tell him?

 

Based on Watson's intricate knowledge of front office personnel?  

 

The Texans are morons for even considering his 2 cents.  And Watson is a an entitled baby to think he should be.

 

Just ask to be traded if you're done with the franchise at 24 yo because you know how this all works and got it figured out.

 

Prick.

 

We don't know what they told him, BUT if they told him he'd be involved and then they ignored him, that's on them for even saying it to start with.  It's crazy how many claim to have intricate knowledge of the inner workings of random franchises, and then make baseless claims based on that.  

[Big Blitz]

4 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

We don't know what they told him, BUT if they told him he'd be involved and then they ignored him, that's on them for even saying it to start with.  It's crazy how many claim to have intricate knowledge of the inner workings of random franchises, and then make baseless claims based on that.  

 

 

I never made the claim they told him.  That's the report.  

 

I'm saying........trash franchise.....trash human.  

 

I'd like to see more evidence Watson isn't before I change my mind.   

 

[cle23]

Just now, Big Blitz said:

 

 

I never made the claim they told him.  That's the report.  

 

I'm saying........trash franchise.....trash human.  

 

I'd like to see more evidence Watson isn't before I change my mind.   

 

 

I have no idea what he is.  Teammates and people around him say he's great.  Obviously 20 some women say he's not.  I imagine it's somewhere in between, but who knows.  2 grand juries decided not to indict, so there isn't much evidence, but that also doesn't mean he's innocent.  

 

My biggest hold up on the whole thing is that the Plaintiffs' lawyer is also the lawyer for the Texans' owner, and this all started once Watson wanted traded.  Obviously I have no idea if any of it is true or not either way though.

[Doc Brown]

49 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Not getting into the other stuff which is it's own bag of flaming *****, this part I put on the Texans, they told him he'd be a part of the decision and then did it without him.

It wasn't just that.  They consistently failed to invest in the o-line.  They traded Hopkins for peanuts because he couldn't get along with the head coach.  They managed the cap terribly.  Basically, they did the exact opposite of what Beane provided for Josh.  Imagine if Beane failed to significantly upgrade the 2018 o-line and traded away Diggs for a washed up running back.  I'd want out too as I would want to survive for a third contract.

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It wasn't just that.  They consistently failed to invest in the o-line.  They traded Hopkins for peanuts because he couldn't get along with the head coach.  They managed the cap terribly.  Basically, they did the exact opposite of what Beane provided for Josh.  Imagine if Beane failed to significantly upgrade the 2018 o-line and traded away Diggs for a washed up running back.  I'd want out too as I would want to survive for a third contract.

Yep, before Watson burst into flames himself the Texans were already a tire fire of epic proportions.

[Big Blitz]

34 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It wasn't just that.  They consistently failed to invest in the o-line.  They traded Hopkins for peanuts because he couldn't get along with the head coach.  They managed the cap terribly.  Basically, they did the exact opposite of what Beane provided for Josh.  Imagine if Beane failed to significantly upgrade the 2018 o-line and traded away Diggs for a washed up running back.  I'd want out too as I would want to survive for a third contract.

 

 

Agreed......but its just not his lane.

 

I wouldn't want Josh anywhere near a GM decision.

 

Personnel.  Coaches - OC, QB....absolutely.

 

GM is a completely different animal.

 

And, he signed his extension after the Nuke trade.  Which, we also don't really know what happened but he's currently suspended for PEDs.   

[cle23]

35 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Agreed......but its just not his lane.

 

I wouldn't want Josh anywhere near a GM decision.

 

Personnel.  Coaches - OC, QB....absolutely.

 

GM is a completely different animal.

 

And, he signed his extension after the Nuke trade.  Which, we also don't really know what happened but he's currently suspended for PEDs.   

 

Plenty of teams involve their franchise QB in decisions, of varying importance.  But none of the "he shouldn't be involved in those decisions" comments matter if they promised him he would be.  You don't promise people one thing and then ignore them when the time comes.  Businesses that do that tend to lose a lot of employees.  

Edited June 1, 2022 by cle23

[Doc Brown]

40 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Agreed......but its just not his lane.

 

I wouldn't want Josh anywhere near a GM decision.

 

Personnel.  Coaches - OC, QB....absolutely.

 

GM is a completely different animal.

 

And, he signed his extension after the Nuke trade.  Which, we also don't really know what happened but he's currently suspended for PEDs.   

That's a good point about the contract.  If the Texans reneged on their promise to involve him in hiring a new GM and head coach then I don't have a problem with requesting a trade.  If they didn't specifically promise him that then that's shady on Watson's part.  Not as shady as the sexual allegations though of course.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

 

 So 23 different women either have personal vendettas or are just trying to cash in on a rich athlete. Funny no other NFL player currently is being sued by 23 women(Soon to be 24). 

 

Just give him an outright ban and be done with it. Tell him he can apply for reinstatement after two years. Then deny his reinstatement request every time he tries. If he does play again the opposing crowd's reactions, when playing on the road, will be interesting. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Agreed......but its just not his lane.

 

I wouldn't want Josh anywhere near a GM decision.

 

Personnel.  Coaches - OC, QB....absolutely.

 

GM is a completely different animal.

 

And, he signed his extension after the Nuke trade.  Which, we also don't really know what happened but he's currently suspended for PEDs.   

 

It was the HC decision he was promised input into - by Cal McNair - as early as November of the season where Billy O had been canned. And I would 100% want to Bills to consider Josh's input on a) whether to move on from McDermott and b) who to replace him with if (and I hope it doesn't) that time comes. 

 

In the NFL in 2022 if you are not doing it that way you are doing it wrong. 

Edited June 1, 2022 by GunnerBill

[Richard Noggin]

2 hours ago, cle23 said:

 

I have no idea what he is.  Teammates and people around him say he's great.  Obviously 20 some women say he's not.  I imagine it's somewhere in between, but who knows.  2 grand juries decided not to indict, so there isn't much evidence, but that also doesn't mean he's innocent.  

 

My biggest hold up on the whole thing is that the Plaintiffs' lawyer is also the lawyer for the Texans' owner, and this all started once Watson wanted traded.  Obviously I have no idea if any of it is true or not either way though.

 

What does "somewhere in between" even mean in this particular set of circumstances? I mean, even if he is only HALF guilty (in frequency or severity) of what he's been accused of...he's a serial offender who should be expelled from the NFL. As a public we don't yet have access to enough admissible evidence to make any kind of truly informed determination beyond initial suspicions or dismissals. Of course you're allowed to have leanings. How could you not?

[Richard Noggin]

45 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 So 23 different women either have personal vendettas or are just trying to cash in on a rich athlete. Funny no other NFL player currently is being sued by 23 women(Soon to be 24). 

 

Just give him an outright ban and be done with it. Tell him he can apply for reinstatement after two years. Then deny his reinstatement request every time he tries. If he does play again the opposing crowd's reactions, when playing on the road, will be interesting. 

 

 

 

I love this provision as a safeguard against accusations that are eventually found to be demonstrably false or somehow fraudulent on the whole. Of course we must not abide an athlete's immense privilege unjustly multiplying his or her fortunes and opportunities when the rest of us would more likely be terminated and in fact black balled. Nevertheless, we must at least acknowledge even the fractional likelihood of eventual exoneration in the face of such persuasive claims. 

[AuntieEm]

14 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

It makes me think this is all much much worse then we know and I feel like the combination of Watson's lawyers and the league are doing their best to mitigate this as much as possible.

 

And the victims of this POS watch him sign a 250 million dollar contract as it plays out.  

 

Unconscionable.  

 

Knew he was the minute he set the Texans on fire because he didn't get to name the GM.  Not a QB coach or OC.  The freaking GM.  

 

SCUMBAG.  

 

Yea kinda seems a bit over the top his ego is.  

11 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 So 23 different women either have personal vendettas or are just trying to cash in on a rich athlete. Funny no other NFL player currently is being sued by 23 women(Soon to be 24). 

 

Just give him an outright ban and be done with it. Tell him he can apply for reinstatement after two years. Then deny his reinstatement request every time he tries. If he does play again the opposing crowd's reactions, when playing on the road, will be interesting. 

 

 

 

     Well if irrefutable evidence is uncovered of his guilt then I hope he has fun when his new cell mates in prison decide they will be happy to poke about his anus.  Let him be victimized in similar fashion.  Bubba can ask him why he's crying after their massage session is over.  

Edited June 1, 2022 by AuntieEm

[YoloinOhio]

11 hours ago, Calidiehard said:

The NFL league officials and Roger Goodell are an absolute joke if they allow him to play and make that money. 

It is an independent judge who will make the determination of whether Watson violated the personal conduct policy, and then goodell will set the suspension. Public perception is everything to the league and its conduct policies. The HBO feature was bad as is the continued stuff that keeps coming with additional accusers and details of his alleged conduct. Hardin has been reactionary the whole time and sounds desperate in his statements, and makes it sound like he doesn’t respect the women which is even worse from that side.
 

 Goodell took a lot of heat for how he handled the ray Rice situation so needs to be careful. If Watson is out there playing while the public perception is still that he’s a lying serial sexual predator, he knows he could lose advertisers, etc. and the female fan base he’s tried so hard to build.

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Yep, before Watson burst into flames himself the Texans were already a tire fire of epic proportions.

 

 

Which is why he used this whole  "they never consulted me on GM" story as a way to get out of Texas.  

 

He wanted out and he latched onto this weak excuse to leverage a forced trade.

[H2o]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

If Watson is out there playing while the public perception is still that he’s a lying serial sexual predator, he knows he could lose advertisers, etc. and the female fan base he’s tried so hard to build.

 

Oh, I fully believe it's more than just a "public perception" at this point my friend. This guy is a complete scumbag who still acts like he did no wrong. He admits one of the defendants was crying at the end of the session just as she said in her statement, while on the stand and under oath, but then claims he didn't know why she was crying. Give me a break. The Grand Jury may have not seen enough so called "evidence" to run with the criminal charges, but this deranged sexual predator will still have his day in court. I hope he never plays another down and they take him for all he's worth.  

[cle23]

8 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

What does "somewhere in between" even mean in this particular set of circumstances? I mean, even if he is only HALF guilty (in frequency or severity) of what he's been accused of...he's a serial offender who should be expelled from the NFL. As a public we don't yet have access to enough admissible evidence to make any kind of truly informed determination beyond initial suspicions or dismissals. Of course you're allowed to have leanings. How could you not?

 

I guess I mean that I think it's obvious he made sexual advances or at least hinted at sexual involvement of some kind with some of these women.  It all comes down to whether he threatened/forced/coerced any of them.  If he did, that's obviously a major issue.  But asking or hinting is creepy, but not technically illegal or in and of itself harassment.  

 

So he's not the squeaky clean guy he was thought to be, but it's undetermined if what he did was harassment/sexual assault, or makes him civilly liable.

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, cle23 said:

 

I guess I mean that I think it's obvious he made sexual advances or at least hinted at sexual involvement of some kind with some of these women.  It all comes down to whether he threatened/forced/coerced any of them.  If he did, that's obviously a major issue.  But asking or hinting is creepy, but not technically illegal or in and of itself harassment.  

 

So he's not the squeaky clean guy he was thought to be, but it's undetermined if what he did was harassment/sexual assault, or makes him civilly liable.

I guess a question would be if exposing yourself to someone is considered harassment or sexual assault.

 

I'm guessing it varies state to state. 

[YoloinOhio]

39 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I guess a question would be if exposing yourself to someone is considered harassment or sexual assault.

 

I'm guessing it varies state to state. 

He was accused of forced oral sex in one of the cases. It is considered sexual assault in the state of Texas.

https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/18/deshaun-watson-lawsuit-massage-therapists-houston-texans-nfl

original 22 are detailed here 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31113664/summary-lawsuits-houston-texans-quarterback-deshaun-watson?platform=amp

Edited June 1, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[Kwai San]

OK so maybe just maybe the Browns end up looking good on this.....HEAR ME OUT!  LOL.

 

The dysfunctional Browns guaranteed the contract so that all 22 victims will get max payouts.....

 

OK....well maybe DON'T hear me out!  What an effing mess.....can't even begin to imagine being a Browns fan right now.....

[Warcodered]

 

[Warcodered]

 

[muppy]

it is with disgust I read the thread title. Knowing how much smoke surrounds DeShaun Watson If there is No fire that would be shocking.  If found guilty I hope the juries award damages in each and every case for every victim

 

This topic is to me so unsavory I don't really know what more to say. Elite athletic talent ...bankrupt soul.  SAD  

[BuffaloBills1998]

3 hours ago, cle23 said:

 

I guess I mean that I think it's obvious he made sexual advances or at least hinted at sexual involvement of some kind with some of these women.  It all comes down to whether he threatened/forced/coerced any of them.  If he did, that's obviously a major issue.  But asking or hinting is creepy, but not technically illegal or in and of itself harassment.  

 

So he's not the squeaky clean guy he was thought to be, but it's undetermined if what he did was harassment/sexual assault, or makes him civilly liable.

Technically it is illegal, those female masseuses are not their for your sexual pleasure they’re not high end escorts. For you to expose yourself and try to touch them with your genitals or ask for sexual favors is sexual harassment

[AuntieEm]

3 hours ago, The Wiz said:

I guess a question would be if exposing yourself to someone is considered harassment or sexual assault.

 

I'm guessing it varies state to state. 

  

  Ok let's do the rocket mortgage guessing test.  Go outside find a police officer nearby some women and walk up expose yourself.  Then on your way to jail you can tell yourself I guess it a criminal assault in the eyes of the law.  I doubt it's legal in any state or civilized country on earth.  It's just basic human decency.  The only place it would be consider acceptable is at nudist colonies and even there I'm sure there's some limits to what is acceptable I mean I doubt they allow public masterbation at a nudist colony unless it was one that was geared toward like minded adults looking for that sort of thing.   

 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2022 by AuntieEm

[mannc]

43 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

  

  Ok let's do the rocket mortgage guessing test.  Go outside find a police officer nearby some women and walk up expose yourself.  Then on your way to jail you can tell yourself I guess it a criminal assault in the eyes of the law.  I doubt it's legal in any state or civilized country on earth.  It's just basic human decency.  The only place it would be consider acceptable is at nudist colonies and even there I'm sure there's some limits to what is acceptable I mean I doubt they allow public masterbation at a nudist colony unless it was one that was geared toward like minded adults looking for that sort of thing.   

 

 

 

Here in Portland, if you are “houseless”, you can do anything short of first degree murder without any consequences…exposing yourself in public would not even garner a second look from most passersby…

Edited June 1, 2022 by mannc

[Buffalo03]

So now a 23rd woman decides to file suit this far into the process and people actually believe ALL these women? People might say "she could have been afraid to come out about it" but 22 women already said something, so what would she have been afraid of? This late in the game says it's about money to me 

[The Wiz]

36 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

  

  Ok let's do the rocket mortgage guessing test.  Go outside find a police officer nearby some women and walk up expose yourself.  Then on your way to jail you can tell yourself I guess it a criminal assault in the eyes of the law.  I doubt it's legal in any state or civilized country on earth.  It's just basic human decency.  The only place it would be consider acceptable is at nudist colonies and even there I'm sure there's some limits to what is acceptable I mean I doubt they allow public masterbation at a nudist colony unless it was one that was geared toward like minded adults looking for that sort of thing.   

 

 

 

Was more referring to the possibility of him being charged with indecent exposure instead of sexual harassment/assault but thanks for your feedback. 

Edited June 1, 2022 by The Wiz

[AuntieEm]

Just now, mannc said:

Here in Portland, if you are “houseless”, you can do anything short of first degree murder without any consequences…exposing yourself in public would even garner a second look from most passersby…

 

Well that seems more a case of an overwhelming problem with some mental disorders likely stemming from whatever circumstances caused the homeless individuals.  Again average decent people won't be running around exposing themselves.  I bet some of those homeless have been ostracized for whatever reason to point they just say heck with societal mores as society ignores their lack of basic lodging and likely proper nutrition which can lead to mental chemical imbalances.  

 

   Problem is here Watson is claiming he's totally innocent and I'm guessing there are records that prove those text messages he sent to various therapists asking if they are OK after their session with him.  An innocent person wouldn't send those messages unless the reason they might not be OK was because something he said or did.   If I witnessed an accident to say a person I recognize from a local shop but have no other personal relationship  with other than buying something from their shop I'm not gonna text them asking if they are OK unless I was in someway responsible for that incident because I hold some responsibility to act in a respectful manner to any fellow person.  

 

   I guess it could be possible he's had enough damage from concussions over his playing from whatever age he started, that the frontal lobe has diminished ability in his impulse control.  That would take him out of the realm that he's just a total scumbag to where he just is in dire need of professional mental care because it's lack of self control either due to brain damage to the subfrontal lobe.  If I were the NFL I'd insist he have a psych evaluation and I'd want several leafing experts in field to do so.   So by that there is a possibility he isn't totally responsible for the acts but by denying the behavior even to acknowledging he's aware of the perception of his actions by requesting NDA and even his insistence of no other person to witness the session or not wearing the standard modesty barriers.  That suggests he knows he's acting out of line even if he can't stop himself from continuing.  Even if that's the underlying cause it doesn't absolve him of the guilt of the actions.  I'd hope the independent investigator calls for him to get those evaluations.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

25 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

So now a 23rd woman decides to file suit this far into the process and people actually believe ALL these women? People might say "she could have been afraid to come out about it" but 22 women already said something, so what would she have been afraid of? This late in the game says it's about money to me 

She said last year that she didn’t want her name out there publically, which was required for the civil cases by the defense, but decided to move forward. 

[HappyDays]

32 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

This late in the game says it's about money to me 

 

The 23rd plaintiff is seeking the minimum compensation. She just wants Watson to be held accountable. What's your excuse now?

 

Also it isn't about believing all 23 women. If even 1 is telling the truth he should be punished. Did you watch Ashley Solis's interview?

[AuntieEm]

8 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Was more referring to the possibility of him being charged with indecent exposure instead of sexual harassment/assault but thanks for your feedback. 

 

   Well the problem is there are no witnesses to the sessions.  Seems like Watson insists no others be present.  He can hardly claim modesty if he's exposing himself to over 50 different massuesses.  

 

   If a child with no knowledge of guns somehow caused a gun to fire killing the family dog doesn't mean the child is an animal abusers but they still are guilty of killing the dog, though it was accidental.  I know if the child was traumatized by that accident I'd insist on some counseling by a psychologist because that type if trauma can be just as dangerous as possible brain damage causing the lack of control.

 

 

 

[HappyDays]

23 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

And people need to realize the court of public opinion is not how our justice system works.

 

The NFL's personal conduct policy is not the justice system. We're over a year into this process and still making the same tired arguments. Watch Ashley Solis's interview and judge for yourself.

[H2o]

41 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

So now a 23rd woman decides to file suit this far into the process and people actually believe ALL these women? People might say "she could have been afraid to come out about it" but 22 women already said something, so what would she have been afraid of? This late in the game says it's about money to me 

She wasn't afraid of anything. She said that his smug attitude acting like he's done nothing wrong is what pushed her to come forward also. She also has some pretty damning testimony as well if they can somehow trace the $$$ she says was paid to the owner of the business to send women his way. She's also going for the minimum compensation. If it were, say, 3-5 women I could see it being a $$$ grab. But 23 and talk of a 24th? This guy is a sleazy sexual predator who thought his fame and $$$ would never allow him to be caught. I hope he never takes another snap in the NFL and justice is served for these women, financially or whatever. 

Edited June 1, 2022 by H2o