Last 3 great comebacks by Josh...let's hope Von can give us a different result.

[Hebert19]

1.   KC.  We know what happened there.  D failed him and team.  

2.   Tampa.  We know what happened there...D failed in crunch time in OT

3.   Cardinals.  Shocker but D failed him.  

 

I know we all think highly of the D but when they are in tight against a good team, they play more like a bottom 10 D.   Against Indy in playoffs they almost blew that too.  Houston all the way back to 2019 season.  Same.  

 

Let's hope Von can help us close games out.  

[Greg S]

I think McDermott goes on the hot seat if this team doesn't at least get to the Super Bowl. They have the talent to win it. The Miller signing is a "final piece" kind of move. I give McDermott credit for changing the culture of this franchise. I give him credit for 4 playoff appearances in 5 years as well as B2B AFCE titles. But that isn't good enough anymore. The Pegula's have spent a lot money and Beane has given him a roster he should win with. Its time to see the results. To me this is a Super Bowl or bust type of season. I know it won't be easy as the AFC is loaded with good teams/QB's. But if this team can stay healthy then they should be playing in Feb. IMHO

[Captain Hindsight]

2 minutes ago, Greg S said:

I think McDermott goes on the hot seat if this team doesn't at least get to the Super Bowl. They have the talent to win it. The Miller signing is a "final piece" kind of move. I give McDermott credit for changing the culture of this franchise. I give him credit for 4 playoff appearances in 5 years as well as B2B AFCE titles. But that isn't good enough anymore. The Pegula's have spent a lot money and Beane has given him a roster he should win with. Its time to see the results. To me this is a Super Bowl or bust type of season. I know it won't be easy as the AFC is loaded with good teams/QB's. But if this team can stay healthy then they should be playing in Feb. IMHO

There is zero chance McDermott is on the hot seat after this year. Beane and McDermott are a package deal, letting go of one means letting both go. Pegula wouldn't be that stupid (I hope)

[Ray Stonada]

For as good as Josh is in the clutch (he has the ice cold gene), it's weird how many close games Buffalo lost last year.

 

This season, expect a "regression" back to the mean--i.e. we should win a bunch of close ones.

[whorlnut]

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Think they both failed in OT against Bucs… the offense went 3 and out their first position of OT. 

But that doesn’t fit the narrative of the “keep stacking the defense” crowd…

[Greg S]

9 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

There is zero chance McDermott is on the hot seat after this year. Beane and McDermott are a package deal, letting go of one means letting both go. Pegula wouldn't be that stupid (I hope)

 

Says who. Gase was hired first by the Jets and he was instrumental in the Jets hiring Joe Douglas as the GM. Douglas is still the GM. Is Gase still the Jets coach? I am not saying McDermott gets fired if the Bills don't win the Super Bowl. But I do think his seat gets hot as far as questions will start to come about if he can be the guy to lead the Bills to a championship. This will be year 6 of McDermott. At some point he has to produce.

Edited April 19, 2022 by Greg S

[whorlnut]

8 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

There is zero chance McDermott is on the hot seat after this year. Beane and McDermott are a package deal, letting go of one means letting both go. Pegula wouldn't be that stupid (I hope)

I disagree. Yes, they are tied at the hip, but Beane has given McD more than enough talent to win with. He’s done his job. McD is the one that didn’t do a single right thing in the last 13 seconds of the chiefs game. That will follow him very closely this year if he doesn’t get over the hump. 

[T master]

7 minutes ago, Greg S said:

I think McDermott goes on the hot seat if this team doesn't at least get to the Super Bowl. They have the talent to win it. The Miller signing is a "final piece" kind of move. I give McDermott credit for changing the culture of this franchise. I give him credit for 4 playoff appearances in 5 years as well as B2B AFCE titles. But that isn't good enough anymore. The Pegula's have spent a lot money and Beane has given him a roster he should win with. Its time to see the results. To me this is a Super Bowl or bust type of season. I know it won't be easy as the AFC is loaded with good teams/QB's. But if this team can stay healthy then they should be playing in Feb. IMHO

 

So if they were to fire McD who would they bring in there aren't many out there that have a better winning percentage than McD & I'm not sure that there amy be one out there that is or would be better .

 

After the drought i'd be happy with winning the east every year & getting deep in the play offs sure the ultimate goal is the super bowl & i will say if there are the type of break downs they had last year in the KC game & McD doesn't learn from those mistakes then yes it's time for a change .

 

But seeing as McD is only in his 6th yr as a HC & he has accomplished what he has in that period of time he is still young in his position & where was Andy Reid, Bill Parcels, Bill Belichek in their 6th season as head coach just saying i don't feel we need to throw the baby out with the bath water .

 

It will come & this year should be the year but S**T happens some times that is beyond peoples control & i don't think the Pegs will jump ship if the team is still winning .

[Greg S]

10 minutes ago, T master said:

 

So if they were to fire McD who would they bring in there aren't many out there that have a better winning percentage than McD & I'm not sure that there amy be one out there that is or would be better .

 

After the drought i'd be happy with winning the east every year & getting deep in the play offs sure the ultimate goal is the super bowl & i will say if there are the type of break downs they had last year in the KC game & McD doesn't learn from those mistakes then yes it's time for a change .

 

But seeing as McD is only in his 6th yr as a HC & he has accomplished what he has in that period of time he is still young in his position & where was Andy Reid, Bill Parcels, Bill Belichek in their 6th season as head coach just saying i don't feel we need to throw the baby out with the bath water .

 

It will come & this year should be the year but S**T happens some times that is beyond peoples control & i don't think the Pegs will jump ship if the team is still winning .

 

That would be up to Beane and the Pegula's. But if you want a name then Sean Payton is available just as an example. I don't want McDermott fired but he has to produce with the roster he has. Coaches are in the business of winning and if you don't win then you know what happens. The Bills aren't rebuilding anymore. They are expected to win and compete for a Super Bowl. The pressure is on McDermott this season bigtime. Both from the local/national media and the fanbase.

[nedboy7]

Maybe we can fire the coach every year we dont win the SB.  And blame the D for every close game we lose.  Simple. 

[JESSEFEFFER]

22 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

For as good as Josh is in the clutch (he has the ice cold gene), it's weird how many close games Buffalo lost last year.

 

This season, expect a "regression" back to the mean--i.e. we should win a bunch of close ones.

 

Those were weird close game outcomes.  It's also weird that Tyler Bass was not directly involved in the outcomes.  Someone did a preseason list of the 10 most important Bills players to the success of the 2021 season.   I thought Bass should definitely be on the list.  Good to great team, playing close, important games against strong opponents = FG kicker deciding the outcome.  Blowout wins and strange close game losses without Bass being a deciding factor.  He always looked ready to go make one but never got the chance to have the ball on his foot with the game on the line.  Weird is the word.

[GunnerBill]

47 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

1.   KC.  We know what happened there.  D failed him and team.  

2.   Tampa.  We know what happened there...D failed in crunch time in OT

3.   Cardinals.  Shocker but D failed him.  

 

I know we all think highly of the D but when they are in tight against a good team, they play more like a bottom 10 D.   Against Indy in playoffs they almost blew that too.  Houston all the way back to 2019 season.  Same.  

 

Let's hope Von can help us close games out.  

 

Definitely some truth to this although in Tampa we had a chance to win it on O in regulation and failed and then won the toss got the ball first and went 3 and out. 

 

The other two - defense and coaching, for sure. Tampa was as much, if not more, on offense IMO. 

26 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

Says who. Gase was hired first by the Jets and he was instrumental in the Jets hiring Joe Douglas as the GM. Douglas is still the GM. Is Gase still the Jets coach? I am not saying McDermott gets fired if the Bills don't win the Super Bowl. But I do think his seat gets hot as far as questions will start to come about if he can be the guy to lead the Bills to a championship. This will be year 6 of McDermott. At some point he has to produce.

 

McDermott could out survive Beane. Beane could not out survive McDermott. This is Sean McDermott's franchise. We are all living in his world. If the Pegula's decide McDermott needs moving on (and they are not even close to thinking that IMO) then the hand picked GM who serves at McDermott's discretion would be out. No questions asked. 

[Captain Hindsight]

21 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

Says who. Gase was hired first by the Jets and he was instrumental in the Jets hiring Joe Douglas as the GM. Douglas is still the GM. Is Gase still the Jets coach? I am not saying McDermott gets fired if the Bills don't win the Super Bowl. But I do think his seat gets hot as far as questions will start to come about if he can be the guy to lead the Bills to a championship. This will be year 6 of McDermott. At some point he has to produce.

The difference there is Gase's teams were unmitigated disasters. McDermott has produced plenty. This team was a joke of a franchise 6 years ago, now its a powerhouse

20 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

I disagree. Yes, they are tied at the hip, but Beane has given McD more than enough talent to win with. He’s done his job. McD is the one that didn’t do a single right thing in the last 13 seconds of the chiefs game. That will follow him very closely this year if he doesn’t get over the hump. 

The ST coach was fired as a result there. Mcdermott is a good coach and the Bills would be stupid to let him go

[Heavy Kevi]

40 minutes ago, Greg S said:

I think McDermott goes on the hot seat if this team doesn't at least get to the Super Bowl. They have the talent to win it. The Miller signing is a "final piece" kind of move. I give McDermott credit for changing the culture of this franchise. I give him credit for 4 playoff appearances in 5 years as well as B2B AFCE titles. But that isn't good enough anymore. The Pegula's have spent a lot money and Beane has given him a roster he should win with. Its time to see the results. To me this is a Super Bowl or bust type of season. I know it won't be easy as the AFC is loaded with good teams/QB's. But if this team can stay healthy then they should be playing in Feb. IMHO

 

I don't agree with this at all. 

 

I'm not even going to register an opinion on McD, but I believe there is no scenario where he gets fired in the next several years. What he's done to build this team and culture (as well as his relationship with Beane) buys him many, many months. I believe he still has probably 3 years before he can feel the seat getting warm. And if they go to/win a SB or 2, he's here for life.

 

And I'm ok with that.

[Greg S]

Just now, nedboy7 said:

Maybe we can fire the coach every year we dont win the SB.  And blame the D for every close game we lose.  Simple. 

 

Every year no. This is year 6 of McDermott. At some point he has to produce. 0-4 on the road in the playoffs. Collapsed in the playoff game at Houston. 13 seconds which I still don't understand how that happened given KC had the ball starting at their own 25. I will say it again I don't think he gets fired if the Bills don't make the Super Bowl but it is fair to question if he is the guy to lead them to a championship if he fails again. Which means his seat starts to get hot. He doesn't get to keep the  job for life either if he can't produce.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

It's honestly so sad to me how hard he and the offense fought to win those games, only to be let down. That's why 40 is here. 💯 

[GunnerBill]

42 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 that isn't good enough anymore. The Pegula's have spent a lot money and Beane has given him a roster he should win with. 

 

 

On this I am not persuaded that the reason we were not hosting the entire post-season in Buffalo last year - the offensive line - has been upgraded or certainly not sufficiently so. If the oline lets the team down again then I think that would be a personnel issue not a coaching one. I take the point that even with that line we should have beaten KC but for 13 seconds, but it is a combination of those things. 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Ray Stonada said:

For as good as Josh is in the clutch (he has the ice cold gene), it's weird how many close games Buffalo lost last year.

 

This season, expect a "regression" back to the mean--i.e. we should win a bunch of close ones.

It's not weird when you can pin three of the losses, games in which Allen shined, on the defense.

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Hebert19 said:

1.   KC.  We know what happened there.  D failed him and team.  

2.   Tampa.  We know what happened there...D failed in crunch time in OT

3.   Cardinals.  Shocker but D failed him.  

 

I know we all think highly of the D but when they are in tight against a good team, they play more like a bottom 10 D.   Against Indy in playoffs they almost blew that too.  Houston all the way back to 2019 season.  Same.  

 

Let's hope Von can help us close games out.  

Feel free to include:

4. Houston...leading 16-0 midway through the 3rd qtr. Defense failed again. 

[ProcessAccepted]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

I think McDermott goes on the hot seat if this team doesn't at least get to the Super Bowl. They have the talent to win it. The Miller signing is a "final piece" kind of move. I give McDermott credit for changing the culture of this franchise. I give him credit for 4 playoff appearances in 5 years as well as B2B AFCE titles. But that isn't good enough anymore. The Pegula's have spent a lot money and Beane has given him a roster he should win with. Its time to see the results. To me this is a Super Bowl or bust type of season. I know it won't be easy as the AFC is loaded with good teams/QB's. But if this team can stay healthy then they should be playing in Feb. IMHO

We are not the Jets. We don't fire coaches or coordinators as a knee jerk reaction. Thankfully Beane and the Pegulas are running the show. McD would be snapped up in seconds.

[BigDingus]

2 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

1.   KC.  We know what happened there.  D failed him and team.  

2.   Tampa.  We know what happened there...D failed in crunch time in OT

3.   Cardinals.  Shocker but D failed him.  

 

I know we all think highly of the D but when they are in tight against a good team, they play more like a bottom 10 D.   Against Indy in playoffs they almost blew that too.  Houston all the way back to 2019 season.  Same.  

 

Let's hope Von can help us close games out.  

 

I don't think this is a fair assesment at all. 

 

Our offense (including Josh), did next to nothing against Tampa for the first half of the game. The defense played just as much of a part in helping us comeback at all. Against the Cardinals, Josh wasn't great either. We scored with seconds left for what looked like the go-ahead TD, but it was a very mediocre showing (2 TD's - 2 INT's, averaging 5 yards an attempt on nearly 50 passes, 77 passer rating, etc)... 

 

Defense gave up a Hail Mary which upset us all, but the only game I feel the D "filed him & team" was KC. In the other losses, the team - including Josh - failed EACH OTHER in many aspects. Play a cleaner game or more complete game from start to finish & we wouldn't need to make up a huge deficit to avoid a blowout or be within range of losing via Hail Mary. 

 

Von Miller can only do so much, same as anyone. There will be times the defense plays poorly, there will be times Josh & the offense play poorly, and there will even be times ST will be what costs us. You can only hope it all comes together more often than not & we're firing on all cylinders come playoff time.

[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

You can easily make an argument the offensive line still hasn’t been sufficiently upgraded…

 

That is what I did...

[BigDingus]

24 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

You can easily make an argument the offensive line still hasn’t been sufficiently upgraded…

 

Agreed. It was a clear issue throughout last season, and it keeps getting put on the backburner because Josh can often cover up some of those issues.

 

But there were many times you could see opposing pressure getting to Josh, sacks or not, and run blocking has made our backs look worse than they really are (not saying they're great, but hard to do much when you're immediately taking hits way in the backfield the second you touch the ball).

 

Josh with time is more capable than any QB in the league imo, but he's often asked to just make the best out of a mess. Our line isn't a dumpster fire, but they're hardly formidable or consistent either.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That is what I did...

Yes, you did that….but he has a daily quota he must fill.  100 post daily minimum slathering the board with his current agenda.  
 

This years agendas:  

-How our FO ignores offense and invests too much defense.

-coaching staff is too conservative by nature. 

Nothing else is ever discussed….until the cycle is complete and 2-10 more new agendas are formed.  

[Albany,n.y.]

As long as Josh is happy with McDermott, McDermott's job is safe.  The only time McDermott will be on the hot seat is if he POs Josh.  The bottom line is the franchise QB is the decider if a coach stays or goes-see Brady & Rodgers who both have been the real reason for coaching changes.  

[phypon]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

 

That would be up to Beane and the Pegula's. But if you want a name then Sean Payton is available just as an example. I don't want McDermott fired but he has to produce with the roster he has. Coaches are in the business of winning and if you don't win then you know what happens. The Bills aren't rebuilding anymore. They are expected to win and compete for a Super Bowl. The pressure is on McDermott this season bigtime. Both from the local/national media and the fanbase.

I would take Payton over McD if McD doesn't show game management progress next year.  Yes, a small upgrade makes a big difference.  Love what McD has done to the "culture" here, but this past season/offseason has raised some eyebrows.  I know there are only rumors, but it seems some players and coaches have clashed with him.  Players and coaches have wanted out on a team with huge upside, that says something.  

 

The NFL is a business, and there is no reason why anyone should be "safe".  If McD can't deliver, get someone who can.  It's that simple.  I don't care how close he is to ultimate success.  Players have to prove it, so do coaches.  Don't get too attached to a coach.

[Freddie's Dead]

2 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

2.   Tampa.  We know what happened there...we got butt-***** by the refs.

 

FTFY.

[machine gun kelly]

2 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

1.   KC.  We know what happened there.  D failed him and team.  

2.   Tampa.  We know what happened there...D failed in crunch time in OT

3.   Cardinals.  Shocker but D failed him.  

 

I know we all think highly of the D but when they are in tight against a good team, they play more like a bottom 10 D.   Against Indy in playoffs they almost blew that too.  Houston all the way back to 2019 season.  Same.  

 

Let's hope Von can help us close games out.  

Hebert, it’s not just Miller as that is really important, but other factors.  Jackson and Settle will only help Oliver And Phillips.  The last two will penetrate, but the first two will hold the run in check.

 

With a star CB if that happens will be a major upgrade.  We may actually be a true #1 defense with a star CB.  We have all the other missing pieces.  We don’t play the NFCS, and AFCS this year along with the Redskins.  Yeah I don’t care what foolish name they have this year.

 

We have the AFCN, and NFCN, the Titans, Chiefs, and the SB Champs Rams.  That’s a heckova schedule.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, phypon said:

I would take Payton over McD if McD doesn't show game management progress next year.  Yes, a small upgrade makes a big difference.  Love what McD has done to the "culture" here, but this past season/offseason has raised some eyebrows.  I know there are only rumors, but it seems some players and coaches have clashed with him.  Players and coaches have wanted out on a team with huge upside, that says something.  

 

The NFL is a business, and there is no reason why anyone should be "safe".  If McD can't deliver, get someone who can.  It's that simple.  I don't care how close he is to ultimate success.  Players have to prove it, so do coaches.  Don't get too attached to a coach.

 

So I am a huge Sean Payton fan..... but he reached one Superbowl in 15 years of an elite QB in New Orleans. If your knock on McDermottis he hasn't got the Bills over the hump, not sure Sean Payton is the perfect antidote. 

[phypon]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So I am a huge Sean Payton fan..... but he reached one Superbowl in 15 years of an elite QB in New Orleans. If your knock on McDermottis he hasn't got the Bills over the hump, not sure Sean Payton is the perfect antidote. 

I understand your point, but I feel that he would be a slight upgrade over McD.  Especially with that talent on this team.  This is a very talented team and Payton has the edge over McD when it comes to experience and that may be just enough to make a big difference.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, phypon said:

I understand your point, but I feel that he would be a slight upgrade over McD.  Especially with that talent on this team.  This is a very talented team and Payton has the edge over McD when it comes to experience and that may be just enough to make a big difference.

 

I think he can legit claim at this point to be an upgrade. He has a ring and McDermott doesn't. If McDermott climbs that mountain though then I think they'd be regarded pretty much level pegging as coaches. He still has at least 3 years to get it done in Buffalo IMO. If we have three more close but no cigar years then with Josh approaching his 30s you take a view on whether a change is needed. 

[Greg S]

5 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

*WHO* would we hire to replace McD?

Could go with an experienced coach like Sean Payton. TB OC Byron Leftwich has been mentioned has someone who deserves a chance as an example for a first time coach. There would be plenty of options for Beane. I don't think McDermott would be fired this year unless something crazy happened like the Bills having a losing season then maybe it would be discussed. I do think questions will start to come up if he can be the guy to win a championship if the Bills don't at least make the Super Bowl. That is a different take then saying he should be fired.

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, phypon said:

I would take Payton over McD if McD doesn't show game management progress next year.  Yes, a small upgrade makes a big difference.  Love what McD has done to the "culture" here, but this past season/offseason has raised some eyebrows.  I know there are only rumors, but it seems some players and coaches have clashed with him.  Players and coaches have wanted out on a team with huge upside, that says something.  

 

The NFL is a business, and there is no reason why anyone should be "safe".  If McD can't deliver, get someone who can.  It's that simple.  I don't care how close he is to ultimate success.  Players have to prove it, so do coaches.  Don't get too attached to a coach.

I know it’s only rumors…..but those rumors state that players have clashed with McD…. So it seems to be true….because of the rumors…. But rumors….mmhmmm

 

which players wanted out?  The free agents that weren’t offered the contract they were looking for?  Any non free agents that want out due to the HC?  

 

which coaches wanted out?  
Oh the guy that was offered a head coaching job “wanted out”

 

the ST coach that wasn’t competent enough to do his job and tell his kicker to kick the ball in play “wanted out”? 
 

but rumors…..

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, phypon said:

I understand your point, but I feel that he would be a slight upgrade over McD.  Especially with that talent on this team.  This is a very talented team and Payton has the edge over McD when it comes to experience and that may be just enough to make a big difference.

The saints had a HoF QB + plenty of talent and missed the playoffs several years. 
 

Payton won his super bowl in his 4th year, coming off two seasons in which he didn’t even make the playoffs.  AfTer year 3, Brian Billick would’ve been a slight upgrade over  Sean Payton because he had an edge in experience…..but yeah.  No

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, Greg S said:

Could go with an experienced coach like Sean Payton. TB OC Byron Leftwich has been mentioned has someone who deserves a chance as an example for a first time coach. There would be plenty of options for Beane. I don't think McDermott would be fired this year unless something crazy happened like the Bills having a losing season then maybe it would be discussed. I do think questions will start to come up if he can be the guy to win a championship if the Bills don't at least make the Super Bowl. That is a different take then saying he should be fired.

 

I say there is NO chance the Bills fire McDermott for not being able to get over the hump and then hire a first time Head Coach to replace him. When teams make those sort of moves they generally hire proven Head Coaches. 

[NewEra]

20 minutes ago, Greg S said:

Could go with an experienced coach like Sean Payton. TB OC Byron Leftwich has been mentioned has someone who deserves a chance as an example for a first time coach. There would be plenty of options for Beane. I don't think McDermott would be fired this year unless something crazy happened like the Bills having a losing season then maybe it would be discussed. I do think questions will start to come up if he can be the guy to win a championship if the Bills don't at least make the Super Bowl. That is a different take then saying he should be fired.

Leftwich?  Oh man.  The building would burn.  And it should.  

[Greg S]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I say there is NO chance the Bills fire McDermott for not being able to get over the hump and then hire a first time Head Coach to replace him. When teams make those sort of moves they generally hire proven Head Coaches. 

 

I was just throwing names out there as examples to say Beane would have options. If the Bills did move on from McDermott then I think they would go with an experienced coach like Payton for example since the team is expected to contend. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Greg S said:

 

I was just throwing names out there as examples to say Beane would have options. If the Bills did move on from McDermott then I think they would go with an experienced coach like Payton for example since the team is expected to contend. 

 

And he went to the dance once in 15 years with Drew Brees including some epic playoff collapses. Not that Payton isn't a great coach - he is. But it isn't straightforward to upgrade on a coach as good as McDermott.

[Greg S]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

And he went to the dance once in 15 years with Drew Brees including some epic playoff collapses. Not that Payton isn't a great coach - he is. But it isn't straightforward to upgrade on a coach as good as McDermott.

 

True and I don't think McDermott will get fired. My point is simply that questions will start to come up if he can be the coach to win a championship if he fails to do so this year with this roster. This will be year 6 for him not 2 or 3. At some point the Pegula's patience will run out.

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

True and I don't think McDermott will get fired. My point is simply that questions will start to come up if he can be the coach to win a championship if he fails to do so this year with this roster. This will be year 6 for him not 2 or 3. At some point the Pegula's patience will run out.

 

I agree the questions will ramp up each year that it is a near miss. I think while it is year 6 the first 3 years and the last 2 should be seen differently. It was a 3 year build they are now going into year 3 of their winning window IMO. If they are 5 or 6 years into that window and keep coming up short then the pressure will just keep increasing year on year. 

 

As for the Pegulas.... we don't have enough backstory on them to know how they will react in that scenario. What we do know is their record hiring GMs and coaches across two franchises stinks except for McDermott and Beane. It is only my gut instinct but I think that makes it less likely that they toss this duo aside easily.