McKenzie Talks 13 seconds

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Helpmenow said:

The dude made some big catches this year. So lets get rid of a fast guy 

 

It's not just up to the Bills. He's a Free Agent, and has a name built for himself now. He'll probably get a higher offer in FA than what we could/should pay.

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

This is a team that needs speed and they're likely going to let this fella walk? And they kept Davis off the field for much of the season. Really curious asset management.

I'd be pissed too if I had to play for a dumb coach. This coaching staff marginalized Gabe mid season. The sat on a healthy Bates while players like Ford, Boettger and Mongo struggled. McKenzie has proven (at 6 years younger than Beas) that he is faster and more than capable of playing the slot.  If they let Isaiah walk they're just as stupid as we witnessed that last 13.

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

This is a team that needs speed and they're likely going to let this fella walk? And they kept Davis off the field for much of the season. Really curious asset management.

 

Not picking on your post per se, more of a general reply to how McKenzie gets a bit over hyped around here.  He is a journeyman WR who has one big game against the Pats and suddenly he is invaluable asset around TSW.   

 

Look, I like McKenzie, but he is an undersized WR who has really only one asset...speed.  He is not a polished router runner (Cole is an elite route runner), he doesn't have anywhere near the same hands Cole has, and he doesn't get tough yards like Cole.  He either beats you with speed and or he doesn't factor in.  He is capable of making big plays for sure, but lets not act like this guy is a pro bowler (not saying you are, the boards over all sentiment about this guy) that has been kept in the background for no reason.  

 

He also has a history of fumbling issues.  NFL scouts and GM's know who he is, yet no one offers him anything when he is a FA and he comes back here cheap every year.  Believe we even signed him off a PS.  

 

Cole Beasley has been the starter because he is quite frankly the best 3rd down WR in the game and one of the best overall slot WR's.  Its not like Mckenzie has been sitting behind a scrub.  

 

I would like to keep his speed here too, but I am also not losing sleep if he isn't back.  What he brings to the table is one dimensional, and I am confident we can replicate that in free agency or the draft in the event he doesn't come back.  

[BananaB]

The same guy who was begging for Beane to sign him last year is leaving because he was benched after he fumbled. In my opinion that better then being traded like the Broncos did to him. And if he’s upset because he was benched for a fumble I doubt he’s headed to New England. 
 

If Beane called his agent and said listen we’re dropping Beas and we want Lil Dirty to fill his roll, he’d sign in an instant.  If we’re keeping Beas though I understand him wanted to look around. 

[ArtVandalay]

For anyone that wants to skip to the 13 second comments listen to 14:00 - 19:00.

 

He said players got no explanation and he couldn't believe what happened.  He even said something along the lines of "I couldn't believe they got that many yards soo quick, then I look at the defense and I'm like oh yeah, that's why."

 

Now I am not saying the game was thrown, I'm not saying that, but considering the legalized gambling and how huge it is, if there ever was an instance the league would investigate/audit a coach for throwing a game just from a due diligence and integrity stand point this would be it -- it was that mind boggling bad you have to question if it was intentional.

Edited January 28, 2022 by ArtVandalay

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

For anyone that wants to skip to the 13 second comments listen to 14:00 - 19:00.

 

He said players got no explanation and he couldn't believe what happened.  He even said something along the lines of "I couldn't believe they got that many yards soo quick, then I look at the defense and I'm like oh yeah, that's why."

 

Now I am not saying the game was thrown, I'm not saying that, but considering the legalized gambling and how huge it is, if there ever was an instance the league would investigate/audit a coach for throwing a game just from a due diligence and integrity stand point this would be it -- it was that mind boggling bad you have to question if it was intentional.

Definitely not intentionally thrown, but that a player thinks what McKenzie said - out loud - is just so damning.  If Frazier doesn’t get a HC gig and we keep him, I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibilities that some players tune out the coaching staff.  ….like an ex-Vikings player said they did in Minnesota. 
 

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

See ya

[ArtVandalay]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Definitely not intentionally thrown, but that a player thinks what McKenzie said - out loud - is just so damning.  If Frazier doesn’t get a HC gig and we keep him, I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibilities that some players tune out the coaching staff.  ….like an ex-Vikings player said they did in Minnesota. 
 

 

But that's McDs call at the end of the game, not Frazier.  McD called the TOs and that's his say what we do. And after the first 20 yards he didn't change it up, went right back to the well.

Edited January 28, 2022 by ArtVandalay

[Alphadawg7]

8 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

For anyone that wants to skip to the 13 second comments listen to 14:00 - 19:00.

 

He said players got no explanation and he couldn't believe what happened.  He even said something along the lines of "I couldn't believe they got that many yards soo quick, then I look at the defense and I'm like oh yeah, that's why."

 

Now I am not saying the game was thrown, I'm not saying that, but considering the legalized gambling and how huge it is, if there ever was an instance the league would investigate/audit a coach for throwing a game just from a due diligence and integrity stand point this would be it -- it was that mind boggling bad you have to question if it was intentional.

 

Legit question:  Did you take any classes, or study, read a book or anything on how to come up with terrible hot takes and utter nonsense?  Its uncanny with you.  One after another.  Thread after thread.

[ArtVandalay]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Legit question:  Did you take any classes, or study, read a book or anything on how to come up with terrible hot takes and utter nonsense?  Its uncanny with you.  One after another.  Thread after thread.

If you don't think the NFL should take any due diligence for games in regards to gambling now that it is legalized, then you are just sticking your head in the sand.  Players and refs in professional sports have been caught even before it was wide spread legalized. 

 

Like I said, I don't think he did and I am not saying he did.  But the handling of the game was so poor in that 13 seconds that if the NFL did investigate/ audit players and coaches that performance would trigger a closer look,  it was that bad.  That horrible.  

 

Not everyone grabs a pair of pom poms and mindlessly heaps praise at the team. 

Edited January 28, 2022 by ArtVandalay

[Buffalo_Stampede]

56 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Just what the Bills need… another slow possession receiver who struggles to get separation. 
 

No thanks. Get some guys with some speed in the receiver room.

Wait, another one? Who are the others?

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

But that's McDs call at the end of the game, not Frazier.  McD called the TOs and that's his say what we do. And after the first 20 yards he didn't change it up, went right back to the well.

We’re not firing McDermott.  

Do we know that was his call?  I think he had to be involved, of course, but is McD calling the timeouts to give Leslie a look or is he taking them and then deploying his own defensive call usurping Frazier? 
 

Regardless, Frazier isn’t changing his stripes and his defense doesn’t work against good teams, even with the talent he has.  
 

Telling these dudes to listen to McDermott and Frazier again this off-season/next year would have me roll my eyes at times as a player.  You can’t tell me they didn’t lose some semblance of trust in that locker room…

[ArtVandalay]

Just now, SCBills said:

We’re not firing McDermott.  

Do we know that was his call?  I think he had to be involved, of course, but is McD calling the timeouts to give Leslie a look or is he taking them and then deploying his own defensive call usurping Frazier? 
 

Regardless, Frazier isn’t changing his stripes and his defense doesn’t work against good teams, even with the talent he has.  
 

Telling these dudes to listen to McDermott and Frazier again this off-season/next year would have me roll my eyes at times as a player.  You can’t tell me they didn’t lose some semblance of trust in that locker room…

If McDermott as a defensive head coach called TOs prior to each of those plays and didn't have control over what we were doing defensively, that's even more reason to fire him.  Of course it was his call. It's his call to make what they do there, he's the head coach. If he's not making the call that's worse lol

[letsgoteam]

I'm not not one to usually hit the panic button, but if I.K TRULY doesn't know what happened. When he is the "Adam S." of team news, then that tells me there is probably a lot of guys that don't know. 

 

Things could go south quickly next season if things don't fall a certain way. 

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, ArtVandalay said:

If you don't think the NFL should take any due diligence for games in regards to gambling now that it is legalized, then you are just sticking your head in the sand.  Players and refs in professional sports have been caught even before it was wide spread legalized. 

 

Like I said, I don't think he did and I am not saying he did.  But the handling of the game was so poor in that 13 seconds that if the NFL did investigate/ audit players and coaches that performance would trigger a closer look,  it was that bad.  That horrible.  

 

Oh stop.  Don't say "I don't think he did" while at the same time floating he might have.  

 

This is an absurd line of discussion.  You do realize Kelce was mic'd up and called his own route change based on Fraziers defensive call and Mahomes confirmed the change at the LOS before hiking it right yelling "Do it Kelce, Do it"?

 

So wouldn't that mean Frazier would have had to been in cahoots with Kelce, otherwise how could he know Kelce would audible his own route to exploit the formation?  I mean how could Frazier give them a gimme if he wasn't aware Kecle was going to change his route to take advantage?  

 

Oh wait, I got it...thats why Kelce was "mic'd up" because Frazier was tapped into his hot mic being they were in cahoots!  Thats it.  Nailed it.  🙄

[ArtVandalay]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Oh stop.  Don't say "I don't think he did" while at the same time floating he might have.  

 

This is an absurd line of discussion.  You do realize Kelce was mic'd up and called his own route change based on Fraziers defensive call and Mahomes confirmed the change at the LOS before hiking it right yelling "Do it Kelce, Do it"?

 

So wouldn't that mean Frazier would have had to been in cahoots with Kelce, otherwise how could he know Kelce would audible his own route to exploit the formation?  I mean how could Frazier give them a gimme if he wasn't aware Kecle was going to change his route to take advantage?  

 

Oh wait, I got it...thats why Kelce was "mic'd up" because Frazier was tapped into his hot mic being they were in cahoots!  Thats it.  Nailed it.  🙄

Critical thinking, risk management, and controls not a strong point with you it seems...

 

Controls are not accusations.  Controls are in place to limit risk and capture activity you are trying to limit. 

 

If the league has controls in place for auditing/ investigating games in regards to potential behavior in relation to gambling, the coaching staff's actions and decisions were so poor and so horrible it would trigger the control. 

 

I don't think he threw the game. But the decision making is so horrible and so blatantly terrible if you had a control for investigating a coach for throwing a game you would be looking at this.

 

The defense called was so horrible and was the only reason KC had any chance what so ever.  It was downright negligent.

 

I don't think the game was thrown. I just think the coaching staff was negligent. 

[Alphadawg7]

8 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

I don't think the game was thrown. I just think the coaching staff was negligent. 

 

Then stop suggesting it being thrown is something worth investigating.  I already showed you how ridiculous of a suggestion that it is.  

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Then stop suggesting it being thrown is something worth investigating.  I already showed you how ridiculous of a suggestion that it is.  

"That doesn't matter...rabble,rabble, rabble...Fire McD!!!"

[BananaB]

After listening to this there is no way he’s coming back. He might say he wants to at the end but they ain’t gonna be calling him after this. 

[Einstein]

Forget speed.

 

Im more concerned that McDermott has not given the players any explanation for what occurred on Sunday.

That is deeply disappointing.

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

JA has suffered the Hail Murray and 13 seconds. These are two games that cement the legacy of NFL QBs other than Super Bowls. How many of these can he take before it becomes obvious the defense is the weak link, despite having a Defensive HC and DC who was a HC? Add to it that most of the FA$ and picks go to defense???

 

The scheme is not working. The picks and FA$ are not working. It has to be changed.

 

McKenzie is an important part of the offense. I want him back. The offense has been on the sidelines during the two most heart breaking losses.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

46 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Davis, Beasley, and even Diggs had their issues getting open at times this season…  worst RAC receivers in the league… the offense needs more speed not less. 

Rac is different from seperation. I don't agree they don't get seperation. Yeah we need a Rac player. 

[Jpsredemption]

After this interview I think you can bank it that he won’t be back. Does not seem to have a good deal of respect for McDermott. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

After this interview I think you can bank it that he won’t be back. Does not seem to have a good deal of respect for McDermott. 

What specifically was said? 

30 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Forget speed.

 

Im more concerned that McDermott has not given the players any explanation for what occurred on Sunday.

That is deeply disappointing.

I only listened to few clips, I feel like they just don't want to throw anyone under the bus. 

[Dr. Who]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Not picking on your post per se, more of a general reply to how McKenzie gets a bit over hyped around here.  He is a journeyman WR who has one big game against the Pats and suddenly he is invaluable asset around TSW.   

 

Look, I like McKenzie, but he is an undersized WR who has really only one asset...speed.  He is not a polished router runner (Cole is an elite route runner), he doesn't have anywhere near the same hands Cole has, and he doesn't get tough yards like Cole.  He either beats you with speed and or he doesn't factor in.  He is capable of making big plays for sure, but lets not act like this guy is a pro bowler (not saying you are, the boards over all sentiment about this guy) that has been kept in the background for no reason.  

 

He also has a history of fumbling issues.  NFL scouts and GM's know who he is, yet no one offers him anything when he is a FA and he comes back here cheap every year.  Believe we even signed him off a PS.  

 

Cole Beasley has been the starter because he is quite frankly the best 3rd down WR in the game and one of the best overall slot WR's.  Its not like Mckenzie has been sitting behind a scrub.  

 

I would like to keep his speed here too, but I am also not losing sleep if he isn't back.  What he brings to the table is one dimensional, and I am confident we can replicate that in free agency or the draft in the event he doesn't come back.  

I have either mostly stayed away from Cole as a topic because it is so politicized or I have given thumbs up to folks who appreciate his skillset and contribution. If you think McKenzie's game against the Cheaters is more or less a one off, that's fine. Maybe it is. Regardless, whether it be McKenzie, a rejuvenated Beasley, or some new fella, this offense needs speed and it needs playmakers that can provide YAC so that less pressure falls on Josh to make everything go. Mahomes gets a ton of yards in that manner and we get hardly any at all.

[Arkady Renko]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

What specifically was said? 

I only listened to few clips, I feel like they just don't want to throw anyone under the bus. 

 

To be fair, he said he slept in and missed McDermott's final address to the players.  Maybe Sean discussed it then, but I doubt it.  

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I know it's a common knee-jerk reaction here always, but there does happen to be a team in our division that needs to add some speed at the WR spot and whom McKenzie just happened to play his best against this season...

 

4 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I've actually been thinking the same.

 

Belichick hates dumb players.   

 

McKenzie is somewhere between a box of rocks and a stump on the scale.

[Patrick Duffy]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Belichick hates dumb players.   

 

McKenzie is somewhere between a box of rocks and a stump on the scale.

Lol, remember when he tried the Chad Johnson"ochocinco" experiment? It was said he wasn't the brightest crayon in the box. Whatever the case, he didn't hang around long that's for sure.

[Peter]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Then stop suggesting it being thrown is something worth investigating.  I already showed you how ridiculous of a suggestion that it is.  

 

There is no way that the coaches threw the game . . . but the coaching was SO BAD they effectively threw the game without intending to do so. From a coaching standpoint, that is bad enough.

 

If I am a player, I also would be pissed off with McD's attempt to be cute by saying the problem with the kick was "execution."  McD should come clean and say what happened. I have a really hard time buying that T. Bass ignored or forgot what he was told.

 

Also, McD had to have known every call at the end of the game (and had the opportunity and authority to overrule any one of them - especially given the time outs taken) or made the calls himself or in concert with with the coordinators.

 

The whole thing was a cluster f*&$k.

 

P.S. To be sure: I do NOT think that McD should get fired. I am not saying that at all. I do think, however, that he probably lost some respect in the locker room though - especially by using the word "execution." He would have been better off coming clean about the kick and saying that, if he had to make that call and the defensive calls all over again, he would have made different calls. We all make mistakes . . . maybe not as epically bad as the ones the coaches made at the end of this game. 

[Patrick Duffy]

4 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

There is no way that the coaches threw the game . . . but the coaching was SO BAD they effectively threw the game without intending to do so. From a coaching standpoint, that is bad enough.

 

If I am a player, I also would be pissed off with McD's attempt to be cute by saying the problem with the kick was "execution."  McD should come clean and say what happened. I have a really hard time buying that T. Bass ignored or forgot what he was told.

 

Also, McD had to have known every call at the end of the game (and had the opportunity and authority to overrule any one of them - especially given the time outs taken) or made the calls himself or in concert with with the coordinators.

 

The whole thing was a cluster f*&$k.

 

P.S. To be sure: I do NOT think that McD should get fired. I am not saying that at all. I do think, however, that he probably lost some respect in the locker room though - especially by using the word "execution." He would have been better off coming clean about the kick and saying that, if he had to make that call and the defensive calls all over again, he would have made different calls. We all make mistakes . . . maybe not as epically bad as the ones the coaches made at the end of this game. 

 

I'm in the same boat regarding Bass and whatnot...I have a hard time seeing how other ST players knew but not Bass. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

35 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Belichick hates dumb players.   

 

McKenzie is somewhere between a box of rocks and a stump on the scale.

He had to leave UGA due to grades. 
McKenzie is an ok player. There is absolutely no reason to believe Stevenson can’t be the same type of player. 

Edited January 28, 2022 by atlbillsfan1975

[JROC INTEL]

Unless there are things behind close doors I don’t know, getting rid of McKenzie is a mistake. He should be our slot WR next year. Beasley is great, but aging and slowing. We need speed.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:

I have either mostly stayed away from Cole as a topic because it is so politicized or I have given thumbs up to folks who appreciate his skillset and contribution. If you think McKenzie's game against the Cheaters is more or less a one off, that's fine. Maybe it is. Regardless, whether it be McKenzie, a rejuvenated Beasley, or some new fella, this offense needs speed and it needs playmakers that can provide YAC so that less pressure falls on Josh to make everything go. Mahomes gets a ton of yards in that manner and we get hardly any at all.

Mahomes led the NFL in yards gained on throws at or behind the LOS.  Allen was like third.  So we do pretty well at this too.

[Punching Bag]

6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Ive listened to these pretty much every week and referenced in the thread where I don’t think he’s returning - he made a lot of comments all year about things he doesn’t like. Personally, I think it’s time he look at some other options if he has them. 

 

It makes sense why he is not in loop. Why bring someone in loop if that person is going to go onto social media and make it harder on team.

[Solomon Grundy]

33 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

He had to leave UGA due to grades. 
McKenzie is an ok player. There is absolutely no reason to believe Stevenson can’t be the same type of player. 

Didn’t know you needed a PhD to play in the NFL🤷‍♂️

[ChrisWatson#21]

When I think that all it would have taken was lining someone up in Tyreek and Kelce's face and tackle them at their release take the 5 yard penalty and burn 6-7 seconds I then begin to realize these coaches are given too much credit of how smart they actually are.  Even Romo made this comment "you can't score in 13 seconds..that just..that doesn't happen in real life".  Man it's going to be a long off season especially if K.C. ends up winning it all.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Lol, remember when he tried the Chad Johnson"ochocinco" experiment? It was said he wasn't the brightest crayon in the box. Whatever the case, he didn't hang around long that's for sure.

 

 

Yeah but Ocho was actually seen as very smart,  a technician that got he most of his athletic ability........ but did so with a goofy diva act.

 

McKenzie is a bad practice player who hasn't seemed to be able to learn how to elevate his game.     

 

Belichick needs to add speed to his offense but it's really hard to envision a bad practice player who then comes into games and makes mental errors is going to be a priority add for BB. 

[JohnNord]

7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

The past 2 years at least, the Bills either didn’t tender him as an RFA or let him go find a deal as a UFA and he’s never found anything. I think Bill fans overvalue him a bit because he’s a fun personality. I think he’s a good depth guy and if he wants to come back again on a small deal that’s fine but I’m not handing decent money to him because he’s not consistent enough at the return game. Would rather draft someone to replace him cheap or sign someone in FA who can return more consistently. 

I don’t necessarily agree.  He’s had a lot of success in the slot and his makes him dangerous gadget player on offense.  Do fans overvalue him?  Maybe but I also don’t feel he was ever utilized properly.  Whether he’s back or not, the Bills need more speed at WR 

[atlbillsfan1975]

55 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Didn’t know you needed a PhD to play in the NFL🤷‍♂️

You don’t. Simply passing along information. 

[Patrick Duffy]

30 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah but Ocho was actually seen as very smart,  a technician that got he most of his athletic ability........ but did so with a goofy diva act.

 

McKenzie is a bad practice player who hasn't seemed to be able to learn how to elevate his game.     

 

Belichick needs to add speed to his offense but it's really hard to envision a bad practice player who then comes into games and makes mental errors is going to be a priority add for BB. 

 

He may have been by some, but there were some that didn't it seemed. I just recall seeing something along the lines of he had trouble learning the offense or was slow learning it, something like that. Think I remember something about he and Brady were not on the same page many times too. 

 

And was other stuff like he would never be like he was with Bengals because he struggled to learn new systems...something along those lines. Anyways, obviously I don't know for sure, just a little something I remember