jlgarsh Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Not an overreaction. McDermott's refusal to talk about it outside of "it was an execution issue" only enraged fans more. I hope I'm wrong, but I still feel like McDermott is Doug Collins, while the team needs Phil Jackson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 greetings 2bd. I think if any member of our fanbase is Still up in arms over this loss totally understandable. It was a debacle of historic proportion on any football field ever. Think about it. It was a blessing AND a curse. #17 showing his championship heart from the height of jubilation to the depths of despair 13 seconds later. SMH I don't think reading this thread is going to create any peace on the subject either. Hence assimilate absorb ponder watch wait and move forward. what else can a mafia member do right? m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Greg S said: If/when the day comes to where the Bills fire McDermott ( I don't think its happening anytime soon) then I hope Beane gets to make the call on the next HC. I know they are the owners and can do whatever they want but I do not want the Pegula's making the call on the next HC. But McDermott isn't getting fired anytime soon so this is all meaningless speculation. I totally agree. McD and the Pegulas have a great relationship and there's alot to like about Sean. But unfortunately you can't ignore his in game deficiencies. He will cost Josh more games down the road. Beane would definitely have to make that call if and when the time calls. For now all we can do is pray he figures it out?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 12 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Or, it won’t…. They blew a golden opportunity this year. And then blames execution in the “process”… When Bucs coach John McKay was asked by a reporter "so what do you think of your team's execution today"......he responded " I'm all for it"..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 On 2/8/2022 at 3:00 PM, LABILLBACKER said: I totally agree. McD and the Pegulas have a great relationship and there's alot to like about Sean. But unfortunately you can't ignore his in game deficiencies. He will cost Josh more games down the road. Beane would definitely have to make that call if and when the time calls. For now all we can do is pray he figures it out?? I think this is blossoming into an interesting discussion, and the fanbase is definitely divided over the topic. A certain % of Bills fans (most?) effectively feel comfortable with McDermott being here for the next 10-15 years. This is based on what he's achieved so far and mostly b/c he is the guy who turned the franchise around. The thinking with this group is that McDermott is effectively as good a HC as you're going to find, so why change? Especially when you consider the benefit that continuity brings to the team... Then you have the other faction of the fanbase that wants more than McDermott, IF we don't ____________ in the next few years. The "blank" will vary from person to person. "Appear in a SB" might be the answer for a lot of fans. Others might demand a SB victory. Other fans will be happy if we keep making the playoffs annually but bowing out before winning it all. If we DO win a SB in the next couple of years, this whole thing will go away and McDermott will be here for his entire career. If we bow out, say, 2 more years in a row, it will get a lot more interesting. I think Pegula will hold him to a "win it all" standard at some point. As noted up-thread, this is still (at least 2? 3?) years down the road, however. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I still look at the subject line of this post and it STILL pisses me off. Overreacting, holy oblivious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) No, I’m still pissed off...and still can’t believe how dumb our coaches are...does not give me confidence in them, moving forward... Edited February 10, 2022 by JaCrispy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 On 2/8/2022 at 11:54 PM, Saint Doug said: I’m not getting down on the coaches as some are on here. I think the 13 seconds debacle matters, but it’s a symptom of a much bigger issue. I don’t care about the squib vs no squib call. The fact remains that we kicked the ball off to a team with 13 seconds left and they were able to to put 3 points on the scoreboard. To me, it indicates a failure of execution by our defense. There’s 2 players (and by extension, 3) they needed to shut down for 2-3 plays: Hill and Kelce. They couldn’t even do this. Garbage defense. I will say, if Tre was playing, I bet we would’ve won that game. Not true though. Their offense has far more weapons than just Kelce and Hill. They could have gone to any of them on those two plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 14 hours ago, ganesh said: Not true though. Their offense has far more weapons than just Kelce and Hill. They could have gone to any of them on those two plays. Then we should’ve forced them prove it. Instead, we left their 2 best receivers completely wide open. And, even after the catches, there were multiple missed tackles. I didn’t see Cincinnati have that problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) I just did a little self-check and I'm still as mad as I was when it happened. The BENGALS are in the Super Bowl... THE BENGALS! We're getting to the place with McDermott where it's time to get the team to the next level. I think he will. Some players might need to be let go if they can't deal with doing what it takes to win, and that's fine. We also REALLY missed Tre White in that game. He'll be back and that will be huge. Edited February 10, 2022 by TheFunPolice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 On 2/8/2022 at 9:04 AM, Greg S said: You are right. Look how long it took Andy Reid. That right there is proof its very to win. I still can't get over 13 seconds. I really think they would have beaten the Bengals at home in a close game. It would be BUF vs LA if not for 13 seconds but we will never know now. Mahomes being a lot better than McNabb has a lot to do with Reid’s new found success. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) Also, New England skewed peoples' ideas about Super Bowls. Even GREAT players, all-time HOF players, are BLESSED beyond belief to win 1 or 2 rings in a 15 year career. Many win 0 or only get 1 SB shot, if any at all. Because of what NE did, going to 9 Super Bowls with Brady, people look at someone like Peyton Manning who went to 4 Super Bowls, 2 with each team he played for, and won 2, 1 with each team he played for, as some sort of "letdown" who couldn't win the big games. People STILL say that stuff: Peyton was great, but couldn't win the big games... Yeah, he has 2 SB rings and played in 4, BUT.... As we are seeing, it is REALLY hard to even GET to 1 Super Bowl, let alone WIN 1. If by the end of Josh Allen's career he has Big Ben's career: 3 SB appearances and 2 wins, that is an all-time HOF level career. Edited February 10, 2022 by TheFunPolice 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, uticaclub said: Mahomes being a lot better than McNabb has a lot to do with Reid’s new found success. Let's hope Allen can do the same for McDermott. Or better yet McDermott to get better as a coach and learn from his mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 It has not been stated I believe but over reaction is standard for this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Several weeks later I'm still doing a lot of soul searching as a fan and can't imagine the entire Bills organization isn't in the same mindset. But there is no overreacting to such a horrendous loss that doesn't happen 99 times out of 100 in similar circumstances. And 10 years from now if this team is still in search of an elusive championship we may look back as the 2021 season being the best opportunity we had but will have to replay those 13 seconds in infamy similar to the 17 years between the music city miracle debacle and finally getting back to the postseason again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I will never forgive this coaching staff for this absolute collapse. I have no doubt in my mind that we would've steamrolled the Bengals en route to the Superbowl. This loss is gonna haunt me for a long time and there's simply no excuse. Why not squib the kick? And what was that coverage about? This team had a wide open window to a Lombardi and they crashed & burned. None of you will convince me otherwise 💯 👎 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Limeaid said: It has not been stated I believe but over reaction is standard for this forum. That may well be true, but it doesn't apply to the Tragedy of the 13 Seconds. It is impossible to overact to that. It's a cluster-$*#& of almost infinite magnitude. 1 hour ago, Greg S said: Let's hope Allen can do the same for McDermott. Or better yet McDermott to get better as a coach and learn from his mistakes. Or simply be replaced by someone better. Any of the above work just fine for me. I'm not his wife or his agent...I care about the Buffalo Bills---not any individual on the team. Edited February 10, 2022 by Nextmanup 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: I will never forgive this coaching staff for this absolute collapse. I have no doubt in my mind that we would've steamrolled the Bengals en route to the Superbowl. This loss is gonna haunt me for a long time and there's simply no excuse. Why not squib the kick? And what was that coverage about? This team had a wide open window to a Lombardi and they crashed & burned. None of you will convince me otherwise 💯 👎 I think LA would have been a challenge. Their DL against the Bills OL. Their offense against the Bills defense. I am not saying the Bills couldn't win but it would have been a tough game. If it was SF in the Super Bowl then I definitely think the Bills win but we will never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 To quote Whittier: "Of all sad words of tongue and pen the saddest are these, 'It might have been'" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Ask me on Sunday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Old Coot said: To quote Whittier: "Of all sad words of tongue and pen the saddest are these, 'It might have been'" We don't get a lot of quotes from "Maud Muller" around here. Well done! 🤝 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Greg S said: I think LA would have been a challenge. Their DL against the Bills OL. Their offense against the Bills defense. I am not saying the Bills couldn't win but it would have been a tough game. If it was SF in the Super Bowl then I definitely think the Bills win but we will never know. Indeed but i think the Chiefs were the hardest matchup for us bc they know the Bills so well. I would've been more confident playing the Rams. Stafford is no Mahomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I'll never ever watch a single highlight of that game AGAIN. And it's a damn shame too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Indeed but i think the Chiefs were the hardest matchup for us bc they know the Bills so well. I would've been more confident playing the Rams. Stafford is no Mahomes. But Donald and Miller on defense are way better than what the Chiefs have. While Stafford is no Mahomes he is good enough and the Rams have a lot of weapons on offense. It would have been a good game with the crowd probably 75-80% Bills fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Plano said: I'll never ever watch a single highlight of that game AGAIN. And it's a damn shame too. I only watch until 13 seconds. Edited February 10, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I only watch until 13 seconds. I can't even do that. 13 seconds ruined everything. I will be pissed about this loss at least until the Bills are in the playoffs (probably next year) and ready to make another run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Greg S said: I can't even do that. 13 seconds ruined everything. I will be pissed about this loss at least until the Bills are in the playoffs (probably next year) and ready to make another run. I look at it different. I witnessed potentially Josh Allen becoming the best QB in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I look at it different. I witnessed potentially Josh Allen becoming the best QB in the NFL. True but the ending is so painful. If they would have won then I would watch the game many times in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Greg S said: True but the ending is so painful. If they would have won then I would watch the game many times in the offseason. I know but not because of Allen. We lost that game thinking we have the best QB in the NFL. That means we're going to be back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: I know but not because of Allen. We lost that game thinking we have the best QB in the NFL. That means we're going to be back. There are no guarantees. I am sure Dolphins fans thought they were going back with Marino and we saw how that played out. I do think the Bills will eventually get to and win a Super Bowl with Allen but me saying that means nothing. Hopefully next year is our year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I know but not because of Allen. We lost that game thinking we have the best QB in the NFL. That means we're going to be back. I believe a lot of fans of different teams along with some of your casual viewers that saw that game think so too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, Greg S said: There are no guarantees. I am sure Dolphins fans thought they were going back with Marino and we saw how that played out. I do think the Bills will eventually get to and win a Super Bowl with Allen but me saying that means nothing. Hopefully next year is our year. Back to the playoffs. Even this year there was no guarantee we beat Cincinnati. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Back to the playoffs. Even this year there was no guarantee we beat Cincinnati. That would have been a tough game as well. The Bengals offense probably would have scored a lot. I just think Allen at home would have led the Bills to a high scoring win over them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryS Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Success said: Ask me on Sunday night. if Cincy beats the Rams, it wouldn't mean that the Bills would've done it also. just like how Cincy was able to figure out a coverage to slow down the Chiefs and we didn't. i tend to think the Rams will spank the Bengals, but IF the upset happens, we can't draw conclusions from it, and it wouldn't make 13 seconds any worse. it's bad enough already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Watched an Emmanuel Sanders interview on Cowherd's show today. With 13 seconds to go, the offensive guys thought it was won. He said after the game, he was sitting in the lockerrom in a circle with Allen, Diggs and Gabe Davis. They were just staring off into space, in silence. No one could speak. They wanted someone to wake them from the nightmare they were experiencing. Couldn't believe it was real. If he does play anymore, he said he'd like to play for Buffalo but is still trying to decide on his future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Greg S said: But Donald and Miller on defense are way better than what the Chiefs have. While Stafford is no Mahomes he is good enough and the Rams have a lot of weapons on offense. It would have been a good game with the crowd probably 75-80% Bills fans. Bills put 35 on that Rams defense last year (minus Von Miller) and absolutely torched the 2nd ranked defense in the NFL in the 1st round. I think Josh would've torched them, but I guess we'll never know because of 13 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just now, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Bills put 35 on that Rams defense last year (minus Von Miller) and absolutely torched the 2nd ranked defense in the NFL in the 1st round. I think Josh would've torched them, but I guess we'll never know because of 13 seconds. For me, its hard to predict sometimes when there is a two week preparation win dow for the game as we have with Super Bowl. However I do think we have a great chance to beat LA Rams if we were the ones playing in Super Bowl. I will be rooting for Cincinnati Bengals to win but I think they're going to lose. I don't think their Line is going to hold up and I also think that they will have trouble stopping Odell Beckham Jr. and Cooper Cupp. Those two WR are tailor made for Matt Stafford style of play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mikey said: For me, its hard to predict sometimes when there is a two week preparation win dow for the game as we have with Super Bowl. However I do think we have a great chance to beat LA Rams if we were the ones playing in Super Bowl. I will be rooting for Cincinnati Bengals to win but I think they're going to lose. I don't think their Line is going to hold up and I also think that they will have trouble stopping Odell Beckham Jr. and Cooper Cupp. Those two WR are tailor made for Matt Stafford style of play. Wasn't Burrow sacked around 10 times by the Titans. To me how the Bengals OL holds up will tell if this is a close game or a blowout. I am also rooting for the Bengals but I do think the Rams will win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 47 minutes ago, harryS said: if Cincy beats the Rams, it wouldn't mean that the Bills would've done it also. just like how Cincy was able to figure out a coverage to slow down the Chiefs and we didn't. i tend to think the Rams will spank the Bengals, but IF the upset happens, we can't draw conclusions from it, and it wouldn't make 13 seconds any worse. it's bad enough already. I agree - every game is match-ups, and the way we match up to the Rams could be completely different. But if the Rams D-line dictates the game like I think they will, I might feel a little better. I don't think we would have matched up well against that, or against the Rams WR's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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