Fail Proof: 13 second strategy: For Dummies

[The Frankish Reich]

2 hours ago, dma0034 said:

 

Josh says Heads instead of Tails and we may be feeling a different kind of way right now

That's what hurts. The way the QBs/offenses were playing it was probably an 80% chance that the team that wins the coin flip wins the game.

It's awful to see an entire season end that way. And it's even worse to see one of the great games in NFL history end that way.

[The Avenger]

3 hours ago, dabillz said:

Scenario: Kicking off up 3 with 13 seconds left.

100% Fail Proof strategy for dummies:

1.  Kick the ball out the back of the end zone.

2.  1st down at 25 w/ 13 seconds:  Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass. 

Penalty-holding defense- 5 yard penalty-

3.  1st down at 30 with 8 seconds:. Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass.  

Penalty-holding defense-5 yard penalty

4.  1st down at the 35 with 4 seconds: Knock down the Hail Mary.

5.  Host AFC Championship vs. Bengals

6.  Win 1st Superbowl vs Rams

7.  No longer losers.

 

 

 

The holding thing won't work. There is a specific rule against committing multiple penalties to kill the clock - 15 yard penalty and clock reset to time at the snap.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

The question I keep asking: why rush anyone?
 

Give Mahomes all the time he wants (13+ seconds) and play coverage.

[BuffaloBill]

3 hours ago, dabillz said:

Scenario: Kicking off up 3 with 13 seconds left.

100% Fail Proof strategy for dummies:

1.  Kick the ball out the back of the end zone.

2.  1st down at 25 w/ 13 seconds:  Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass. 

Penalty-holding defense- 5 yard penalty-

3.  1st down at 30 with 8 seconds:. Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass.  

Penalty-holding defense-5 yard penalty

4.  1st down at the 35 with 4 seconds: Knock down the Hail Mary.

5.  Host AFC Championship vs. Bengals

6.  Win 1st Superbowl vs Rams

7.  No longer losers.

 

 

 

 

 

Sure, essentially cheat to win the game. Brilliant.

[BillsVet]

3 hours ago, BeastMaster said:

McDermott must feel like the dumbest SOB on the planet this morning.

 

I hope it fuels him moving forward, but I'm done with him regardless. 

 

I can't watch this guy let down the team and waste Allen's greatness for another second 

 

McD is so arrogant (but slow at the same time) he'll convince himself it's not his fault.  Deep down, he knows he's slow in-game, but he'll keep doing things the same way believing that game prep can at worst mitigate tough decisions.  

 

I'm done with him.  He's not a championship caliber coach.  He's a coach that has an elite QB covering up his mistakes. 

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, The Avenger said:

The holding thing won't work. There is a specific rule against committing multiple penalties to kill the clock - 15 yard penalty and clock reset to time at the snap.

Well, at least do it once.

[The Avenger]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

Well, at least do it once.

You can only hold 1 player - if you're holding all over the place and it's obvious the rule applies - it does not have to be multiple plays.

[TampaBillsJunkie]

4 hours ago, bmur66 said:

Another 15 minute quarter would be the fairest way to settle things when it is all on the line in the playoffs 

At least a half quarter or 8-10 minutes is fair.

[Not at the table Karlos]

1 hour ago, Paul Costa said:

Who was back for KC on kickoff? If Hill was back there I could see why they kicked it out of end zone. But anyone else?

Was their normal returner 

[KOKBILLS]

4 hours ago, dabillz said:

Scenario: Kicking off up 3 with 13 seconds left.

100% Fail Proof strategy for dummies:

1.  Kick the ball out the back of the end zone.

2.  1st down at 25 w/ 13 seconds:  Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass. 

Penalty-holding defense- 5 yard penalty-

3.  1st down at 30 with 8 seconds:. Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass.  

Penalty-holding defense-5 yard penalty

4.  1st down at the 35 with 4 seconds: Knock down the Hail Mary.

5.  Host AFC Championship vs. Bengals

6.  Win 1st Superbowl vs Rams

7.  No longer losers.

 

 

 

 

You can hold the 1st time...But if you do it again, and the refs feel it's intentional, it's a 15 yard penalty and they put the time back on the clock...You can still knock the s*** out of them in the first five yards...You could've done that at any time...You just can't intentionally hold on consecutive downs...At least that's how they explained the rules this AM on WGR...

[Jeffbigalls]

3 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

He is a Pats fan. And an obnoxious one. He will get himself banned or suspended from posting today if I had to guess. 
I will say this. If I was a Pats fan I’d be even more concerned. The Pats aren’t even in the same league as the Chiefs and Bills and never will be with Jones.

Like I said the rule is fine, had bills won the toss and went down and scored it wouldn't even be brought up. The Chiefs fought for the OT rule to be changed after the 18 season and it was shut down.

[BullBuchanan]

4 hours ago, Xwnyer said:

OT in playoffs needs to be changed each team should get a possession and if still tied first score wins

So, Chiefs score, we score, Chiefs score
Bills still lose
Bills Fans : "cHaNgE tHe rULeS!"

Edited January 24, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[stevestojan]

5 hours ago, BillsFanThru-N-Thru said:

What ya talking about?  They did go for 2 so that they would be up by 3 after the last TD

I think he’s referring to the third time the game was over within the last two minutes, not the second time. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 hours ago, Turk71 said:

did you even read the rule?

you don't want to look like a dummy

  You can tackle all the receivers once. The clock runs down during the play and you get a 5 yard penalty.

If you do it again it is a 15 yard and no time off clock.

  They could have done it on first down and run however much time Mahomes allows to run off the clock. He might have run around wasting time or took off running. Time run off the clock and only a 5 yard penalty. Then they have one play left to get in fg position from their own 30. If they had kicked it off high to the 10 even more time is off the clock or worse field position.

  The coaches make millions and didn't even know enough to do that. 

That was such a weak and pathetic defense. KC conceded nothing and the Bills fought for every yard down the stretch. Then the coaches just play 25 yards deep and hand them the game with virtually no resistance. These coaches embarrassed themselves for life and we will have to hear about it and see it over and over again for many years. They completely failed the team, the city and its fans. 

 

‘Multiple players’ can’t do it to manipulate clock so you can only hold one receiver it sounds like.  The others are free to get as open as they want.  

5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

So, Chiefs score, we score, Chiefs score
Bills still lose
Bills Fans : "cHaNgE tHe rULeS!"

I think he means the second team has to go for 2 maybe 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

You don't need to hold the receivers intentionally, but FFS get a body in front of them and aggressively make it hard to release.

[racketmaster]

A good idea might have been to have 7 DBs out there in the final 13 seconds instead of rushing 4 lineman and dropping 2 of them back 3 yards from the line of scrimmage to do what I'm not exactly sure. No more than 2 rushers should have been sent since time was on our side and the longer Mahomes stayed in pocket the better. And having at least 9 true coverage defenders would have closed the windows and allowed at the very least opportunities for the defenders to make a play on the ball or a quicker tackle. Insult to injury, McDermott used timeouts in order to put the worst possible defensive scheme out there for that situation. 

[Tanoros]

4 hours ago, Jeffbigalls said:

No it doesn't the rule is just fine, you gotta stop the team that wins the toss. 

Not when you have QB’s like Allen and Mahomes. Those two wouldn’t be denied last night. It was the same with Mahomes and Brady a couple seasons ago.
Footballs a team game, and the Bills offense and Kansas defense never saw the field in OT, but those sides of the ball are part of the reason for OT. There should be rule changes to allow this to happen, especially when the NFL is moving more to high flying offenses. We will see this more and more. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

[Jeffbigalls]

31 minutes ago, Tanoros said:

Not when you have QB’s like Allen and Mahomes. Those two wouldn’t be denied last night. It was the same with Mahomes and Brady a couple seasons ago.
Footballs a team game, and the Bills offense and Kansas defense never saw the field in OT, but those sides of the ball are part of the reason for OT. There should be rule changes to allow this to happen, especially when the NFL is moving more to high flying offenses. We will see this more and more. 

The Chiefs attempted to get the rule changed after that , it was shut down quick

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, BeastMaster said:

McDermott must feel like the dumbest SOB on the planet this morning.

 

I hope it fuels him moving forward, but I'm done with him regardless. 

 

I can't watch this guy let down the team and waste Allen's greatness for another second 

This isn't the first time and it won't be the last we watch McDermott do something incredibly stupid.  I can tolerate losing a game on a physical mistake.  But I can't tolerate losing a game on multiple mental idiotic decisions. 

[Pokebball]

6 hours ago, dma0034 said:

 

Josh says Heads instead of Tails and we may be feeling a different kind of way right now

We probably would have run, run, pass, punt

[Mr. WEO]

the OP has truly crafty a dummy thread...lol

[Pokebball]

5 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2017/3/28/15066542/nfl-rule-prevent-team-burning-clock-repeated-intentional-penalties

Your scenario would have gave the chefs the ball at our 45 with no clock or timeouts used. 

 

Let's do one that doesn't make us look like dummies now. 

1. Kick ball high and just short of goal line forcing a return. You know like we've done all year long. 

2. Play the cover two defense you've played all game long except only rush one or two or just have them spy the QB. 

3. Double hill and Kelce. 

4. Celebrate good times come on 

Could have used holding once

5 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Don’t forget to rush only 2, and drop 9 into coverage...Thanks McDummy...

Or don't even rush anyone.  I think 2 would have been the right number, but rushing nobody is better than rushing 4.

[ILBillsfan]

7 hours ago, dabillz said:

Scenario: Kicking off up 3 with 13 seconds left.

100% Fail Proof strategy for dummies:

1.  Kick the ball out the back of the end zone.

2.  1st down at 25 w/ 13 seconds:  Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass. 

Penalty-holding defense- 5 yard penalty-

3.  1st down at 30 with 8 seconds:. Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass.  

Penalty-holding defense-5 yard penalty

4.  1st down at the 35 with 4 seconds: Knock down the Hail Mary.

5.  Host AFC Championship vs. Bengals

6.  Win 1st Superbowl vs Rams

7.  No longer losers.

 

 

 

if you commit back to back defensive penalties to manipulate the clock it is a 15 yard penalty and the time is reset.  They could of done it one time and I would of liked to see them do it one time but man don't play the safeties 30+ yards off the LOS

[The Avenger]

3 minutes ago, ILBillsfan said:

if you commit back to back defensive penalties to manipulate the clock it is a 15 yard penalty and the time is reset.  They could of done it one time and I would of liked to see them do it one time but man don't play the safeties 30+ yards off the LOS

It doesn't have to be back to back plays - multiple infractions on the same play, if deemed to be purposeful clock manipulation, can be called for the penalty.

[atlbillsfan1975]

3 hours ago, Jeffbigalls said:

Like I said the rule is fine, had bills won the toss and went down and scored it wouldn't even be brought up. The Chiefs fought for the OT rule to be changed after the 18 season and it was shut down.

You were the poster that after the Bills beat the Pats, quickly started taunting us about your Championships and to go win one. You may fool some people on here but you are on here to revel in our pain today. That says a lot. 

[Tanoros]

On 1/24/2022 at 8:54 AM, Jeffbigalls said:

The Chiefs attempted to get the rule changed after that , it was shut down quick

Yep, your right. However, it still doesn’t change that the NFL is moving to more of a passing/offensive game.
 

We just saw the leagues number 1 defense get smoked by a top offense, furthermore, since the playoff OT rule change (happened sometime around 2012 I believe), the coin flip winner is 9-1 (where as in the regular season the coin flip winner wins at just about 53% of the time). 

 

I will qualify this by saying, there is more data for the regular season, and thus perhaps the playoff coin flip winner’s win percentage will regress towards the mean.
 

However, the playoffs also have the best of the best, and maybe, the best offenses are beginning to beat the best defenses. Either way, a full football team consists of offense, defense, and special teams. I believe in such a close game in the post season, we (the fans) want to see the best TEAM move on, and that would require both offense and defense getting a chance. 
 

But as you said, this issue wasn’t even brought up for a vote. So the NFL doesn’t appear to be keen on making the change. 

[st pete gogolak]

I'll admit I wasn't aware of the "intentional foul to kill the clock" scenario until after the game.  That doesn't mean you can't manipulate the situation to your advantage.  Have two DB's in Hill and Kelce's face and be aggressive with them.  If a hold is called on one or both so be it.  Can you imagine the guts the head ref would have to have to call that intentional and give them 15 yards and no time on the clock?  

 

I don't know about no rushing anyone but of course, rush two or three max.  The two plays are absolutely mind-blowing in how badly botched they were.  There's Hill with a two man escort in front of him and not a Bill within 10 - 15 yards of him.  Where are the safeties on the Kelce catch?  I am 100% convinced that the previous Hill touchdown scared them so ####less that the defense was designed not to give up a game winning TD.  Stupid, stupid stupid.