Are there any other negatives about Josh that he hasn’t put to rest?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Must have been a part of Andy Read's master plan since he apparently never loses to teams in the playoffs that have already beat him in the regular season.

I don’t recall.  
 

were there any Trick plays when they STOMPED the Pats?

 

other than Josh’s Magic of course. 

Trickery is kind of a way for the desperate 

No?   😆 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

He needs to work on his handshake 🤝 

 

https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/36883/josh-allens-elaborate-handshakes-with-buffalo-bills-teammates-about-more-than-just-having-fun

 

Josh Allen's elaborate handshakes with Buffalo Bills teammates about more than just having fun
 

 

 

[Doc]

12 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

And he'd have two if it wasn't for the slip against the Titans and the non pass interference call against Diggs in Tampa.  Even in Jacksonville for how poor we played if Gabriel Davis doesn't drop that ball we at least tie it.  These things have a way of evening out across a career.

 

That was on Dawkins, who got blowed up by Simmons.

Edited January 19, 2022 by Doc

[Greg S]

Josh has proven that he is a great QB. He just needs to do it consistently like Brady, Rodgers. Of course winning a Lombardi will silence his worst critics. 

Edited January 19, 2022 by Greg S

[Milanos Milano]

Consistency. If Josh becomes more consistent, he will cement himself in the hall of fame one day. 

[Greg S]

I don't know who did this but this is awesome.

 

 

 

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

3 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

He needs to work on his handshake 🤝 

 

https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/36883/josh-allens-elaborate-handshakes-with-buffalo-bills-teammates-about-more-than-just-having-fun

 

Josh Allen's elaborate handshakes with Buffalo Bills teammates about more than just having fun
 

 

 

Got a real kick out of this--I firmly believe it's the little things like this that help build the mutual trust and relationships between these guys which will help get us over the hump and into the Super Bowl this year...

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

Josh has proven that he is a great QB. He just needs to do it consistently like Brady, Rodgers. Of course winning a Lombardi will silence his worst critics. 

 

Do me a small favor 

Look up multiple 3 and 4 INT games by a QB 

 

 

Never mind I’ll save time 

Tom Brady threw his most interceptions in a game 6 times, with 4 interceptions.

 

Aaron Rodgers threw his most interceptions in a game 4 times, with 3 interceptions
 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Consistency. If Josh becomes more consistent, he will cement himself in the hall of fame one day. 

That’s all I keep hearing the pundits say, CONSISTENCY

[78thealltimegreat]

It’s just not Josh’s personality to be anything but humble and work hard

but I’d love to see him develop the Rogers gene of being a little bit cocky to the people who took shots at him over the years

My goodness Mel Kiper kept saying Josh Allen over and over today he lets everyone know he was the guy telling everyone about Josh Allen 

Edited January 19, 2022 by 78thealltimegreat

[Milanos Milano]

33 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

That’s all I keep hearing the pundits say, CONSISTENCY

Because it’s true. Allen still has to many bad games. He has to be good and win Super Bowls. Mahomes already has it, Allen needs to show it. Allen is a great QB but until he wins the big one, it’s all moot. 

[Royale with Cheese]

 

[teef]

34 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I will.  I will. 

[Chicken Boo]

On 1/17/2022 at 5:42 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

fair enough 

But that applies to dozens of QB’s

 

 

Dozens of QBs aren't being touted as the best player in the league and having a higher ceiling than Patrick Mahomes.  

 

We know what Josh is capable of, now he has to go out and prove it like the other greats.

Edited January 19, 2022 by Chicken Boo

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

It’s just not Josh’s personality to be anything but humble and work hard

but I’d love to see him develop the Rogers gene of being a little bit cocky to the people who took shots at him over the years

My goodness Mel Kiper kept saying Josh Allen over and over today he lets everyone know he was the guy telling everyone about Josh Allen 

Mel Kiper added 10 years to his  draftnik credibility with the Josh Allen stake in the ground!!

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Because it’s true. Allen still has to many bad games. He has to be good and win Super Bowls. Mahomes already has it, Allen needs to show it. Allen is a great QB but until he wins the big one, it’s all moot. 

WHEN he wins this game, he’s gonna be added to the penthalon of the games greatest QBs

[CincyBillsFan]

11 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Dozens of QBs aren't being touted as the best player in the league and having a higher ceiling than Patrick Mahomes.  

 

We know what Josh is capable of, now he has to go out and prove it like the other greats.

IMO, no matter what happens on Sunday Allen has already proven it.  Sure winning a Super Bowl is the final goal but given that this was only Allen's 4th season there is a lot of time left for him to win it all.

 

The fact remains that when Allen came to Buffalo as a rookie it was a team that was in a complete rebuild, particularly on the offense. It was a team that had only made the playoffs once in the previous 18 seasons and that was because of a fluke win by the Bengals.  The Bills were an organization that hadn't won a division title or a playoff game in over 20 years.  That first season for Allen was chaos and we shouldn't forget that.  And making matters even more challenging was that unlike almost every other QB drafted in the NFL Allen's path to the pros was unconventional and he was clearly still learning how to play the position.

 

Mahomes came into a much better situation then Allen did. And that's not to take anything away from the awesome career Mahomes is having.  But IMO it's unrealistic to put Allen & Mahomes on the same timeline when it comes to winning a Super Bowl

 

Beyond all the expectations of 2018, the Bills are now built for a long run as a top team in the NFL because we have the GM, Head Coach and most importantly the QB to do it. A SB will come and IMO it will be sooner rather then latter. But Allen has already cemented his position as one of the elite QB's in the NFL.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chandler#81]

On 1/17/2022 at 5:31 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Have we crossed all the false assumption off of the list?

 

TBD Special  

Can’t play in cold adverse weather 

 

 

https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018JAllen.php

Weaknesses: 

Has accuracy issues 

Ball security 

Decision-making needs to improve 

Throws too many interceptions 

Needs to improve ability to throw finesse throws 

Struggled against better teams 

Played at a low level of competition 

Concerns about production and ability to be a clutch performer

 

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2708976-josh-allen-may-be-a-no-1-nfl-draft-pick-and-the-franchise-qb-your-team-needs.amp.html

—Allen's film shows poor decisions and errant passes where the ball gets away from him.

—His subpar completion percentage (56 percent) can be attributed to poor decisions, passes thrown too hard, drops and plain misses.

—When Allen misses, he tends to miss big and often throws high on crossing routes.

—His footwork needs to be refined so that he's stepping into throws and aligning his lower body with his shoulders—an issue a lot of "arm" throwers have.

—He leaves a clean pocket too often (not trusting his offensive line) and will extend plays instead of throwing the ball away, which can lead to lost yards.

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2018/4/22/17267900/josh-allen-2018-nfl-draft-scouting-report-film-analysis-statistics-background-strengths-weaknesses

 

Allen is an extremely talented, highly-motivated kid, but he’s probably not prepared for what the NFL is going to do with him. 

Sadly, Shady, we still have a slew of them right here.

New Rule; you dis Josh Allen, you’re banned to the Kiddy Table for a year, eg, you fail 2nd Grade.

 

6 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

He needs to work on his handshake 🤝 

 

https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/36883/josh-allens-elaborate-handshakes-with-buffalo-bills-teammates-about-more-than-just-having-fun

 

Josh Allen's elaborate handshakes with Buffalo Bills teammates about more than just having fun
 

 

Big goofy Qb.

 

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

 

That was on Dawkins, who got blowed up by Simmons.

That helped cause the slip.  Yes.  However, I think if Josh just took a deep breath and made sure his footing was firm before the snap he wouldn't have had a problem getting that half yard or whatever it was even with Dawkins being blown up.  Oh well.  On to Kansas City.

[Mr. WEO]

Tied for 3rd highest number of turnovers by a QB this year.

[HamptonBillsfan]

There is no rational criticism of Josh. His ability to win against KC and advance to a SB is something he hasn't done yet. This weekend starts the correction.

[78thealltimegreat]

5 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

Allen doesn't need to change his personality one bit.

 

One thing I disliked about Kelly was his tude.

Kelly is in Canton Ohio 

[John Adams]

SuperBowl

[Milanos Milano]

9 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Kelly is in Canton Ohio 

He is, but he had an absolutely amazing supporting cast. Allen doesn’t exactly have all pros to work with. We don’t have a Thurman, a Bruuuce. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

On 1/20/2022 at 8:18 AM, IronMaidenBills said:

He is, but he had an absolutely amazing supporting cast. Allen doesn’t exactly have all pros to work with. We don’t have a Thurman, a Bruuuce. 

that is true 

 

some say we don’t have true #1 WR, or a great TE.  
 

Milano and Edmonds are overrated 

 

😆  

[Big Turk]

Just that he is inconsistent week to week at times. You get the perfect game against the Patriots last week but 2 weeks ago he threw 3 INTs and had a 17 QB rating against the Falcons.

 

Once he gets more consistent, he will be unstoppable.

2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

that is true 

 

some say we don’t have true #1 WR, or a great TE.  
 

Milano and Edmonds are overrated 

 

😆  

 

Umm...nobody is saying we don't have a #1 WR anymore. Diggs just caught more passes in a 2 year timeframe with a new team than anyone in NFL history.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, Big Turk said:

Just that he is inconsistent week to week at times. You get the perfect game against the Patriots last week but 2 weeks ago he threw 3 INTs and had a 17 QB rating against the Falcons.

 

Once he gets more consistent, he will be unstoppable.

Another worn out trope. 
 

What QB doesn’t have fluctuating #’s

 

[Joe Ferguson]

Allen never wins road playoff games. 

[Solomon Grundy]

3 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Another worn out trope. 
 

What QB doesn’t have fluctuating #’s

 

Let the national pundits tell it…Mahomes. I don’t need for Josh to throw for 300 and 5 TDs this week. If he goes 15/25 250 and 3 TDs (running/passing) he puts that baby to bed!!

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

You know, when I started this thread it was meant to address 

 

FALSE NARRATIVES against Josh. 
 

Not 💩 dozens of other QB’s have never done either.  
 

 

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Let the national pundits tell it…Mahomes. I don’t need for Josh to throw for 300 and 5 TDs this week. If he goes 15/25 250 and 3 TDs (running/passing) he puts that baby to bed!!

true that 

 

Following a Perfect Game will be tough. 
I don’t want Josh to throw for 500 yards to look Cool 😎 

 

500 yards is 9 out of 10 times indicative of having to, to play catch up. 
 

[nedboy7]

No need to get negative right now.  Plenty of fans will do that for us if we lose this week.  Fire everyone!!!  

[muppy]

yeah Im not going to make much comment regarding #17's weaknesses.  I am exorcising negative thoughts ... he is a

 

professional in continual progress mode and NO QB is 1000% perfect all the time anyway. I think he is playing on a super

 

high level and that's enough for me. 

Edited January 21, 2022 by muppy

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 1/17/2022 at 4:31 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Have we crossed all the false assumption off of the list?

 

TBD Special  

Can’t play in cold adverse weather 

 

 

https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018JAllen.php

Weaknesses: 

Has accuracy issues 

Ball security 

Decision-making needs to improve 

Throws too many interceptions 

Needs to improve ability to throw finesse throws 

Struggled against better teams 

Played at a low level of competition 

Concerns about production and ability to be a clutch performer

 

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2708976-josh-allen-may-be-a-no-1-nfl-draft-pick-and-the-franchise-qb-your-team-needs.amp.html

—Allen's film shows poor decisions and errant passes where the ball gets away from him.

—His subpar completion percentage (56 percent) can be attributed to poor decisions, passes thrown too hard, drops and plain misses.

—When Allen misses, he tends to miss big and often throws high on crossing routes.

—His footwork needs to be refined so that he's stepping into throws and aligning his lower body with his shoulders—an issue a lot of "arm" throwers have.

—He leaves a clean pocket too often (not trusting his offensive line) and will extend plays instead of throwing the ball away, which can lead to lost yards.

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2018/4/22/17267900/josh-allen-2018-nfl-draft-scouting-report-film-analysis-statistics-background-strengths-weaknesses

 

Allen is an extremely talented, highly-motivated kid, but he’s probably not prepared for what the NFL is going to do with him. 

 

Well, elsewhere in an Athletic article an anonymous scout was quoted as saying he thinks Josh still has "accuracy issues" 🤷‍♂️

 

So that one's still out there I guess

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, elsewhere in an Athletic article an anonymous scout was quoted as saying he thinks Josh still has "accuracy issues" 🤷‍♂️

 

So that one's still out there I guess

80 % completion rate.  
 

in Sub Zero temperatures. 
 

I’m no expert but I hear that kind of weather alters the 🏈 trajectory 

https://theweatherprediction.com/habyhints2/602/
 

Quote

Cold: Cold temperatures can make it more difficult to grip and throw the ball. It can also make the ball more difficult to catch. To counteract this, players can wear extra clothing and gloves that will keep them warmer. Also on the bench there can be heated clothing and heaters to help keep the players warm

 

 

How cold weather changes the game for football players

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/how-cold-weather-changes-the-game-for-football-players-2/433233/amp

 

Edited January 21, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[Solomon Grundy]

15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, elsewhere in an Athletic article an anonymous scout was quoted as saying he thinks Josh still has "accuracy issues" 🤷‍♂️

 

So that one's still out there I guess

He must’ve been referring to the “throwaway” pass😎

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

He must’ve been referring to the “throwaway” pass😎

 

Wait.  Like the one Knox said F that and caught the TD?

 

Against The GOAT Bill Belichick!!!!

All of a sudden Bill isn’t good?

😜 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

He must’ve been referring to the “throwaway” pass😎

 

This is just a guess, but if the guy does some "boxscore scouting" I would guess he would look at the 1st NE game, Carolina, Atlanta, 2nd Jets - and see completion % of 55% or less, and think "yeah, this guy still has issues".  He might not see the game and note the howling gale, the pressure which forced throw-aways, and all the WR drops of catchable balls.  He might look at the 3 picks in the Atlanta game and think "bad decision making" and not realize 2 of them were very good defensive deflections.

[Nextmanup]

He has the worst YAC in the entire league--something that will hopefully improved next season.

 

 

[BigDingus]

There's always going to be people saying he's too inconsistent.

 

Also, this Bills unit (not just Josh), hasn't won a single possession game all season. They win by double digits, or they don't win at all.

 

At this point, his detractors are more like Peyton Manning's were before he won a Super Bowl. Few people are saying he's not a great player, only that he's in the shadow of a greater player.