UKBillFan Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Know someone else made this point as well but as this ever happened with the Pro Bowl before? All three QB’s from the NFC made the Play Offs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 none of the Probowlers from the #1 defense in the NFL made it either. 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Golly gee whillickers, it's almost as though the NFL still hates us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 get over it imo. Who cares about the pro bowl? 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 The Colts, who are finished for the year, are sending seven players to the Pro Bowl, including three players on defense. None of this is a surprise. The Pro Bowl goes to the WRs with the most catches and yards, the QBs with the most TD passes/fewest INTs, the RBs with the most yards, the defensive linemen with the most sacks, the DBs with the most INTs, and the LBs with sacks and INTs. The Bills are built to win as a team, and except for Josh and Diggs, they don't have superstar players. They don't have anyone with the best stats in the league for their positions. So they're overlooked. It sucks but it is what it is. Can you pick ONE player from the Bills' defense who should go? This year the choice would probably be Poyer, but the falloff from Poyer to Hyde to Milano to Oliver to Phillips is pretty small. I say, fine, piss off these players and give them exactly one way to get eve with the world. Win playoff games. 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Poyer was the best safety in the league this year. Should not only be in the Pro Bowl, but All-Pro too. 10 8 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, jlgarsh said: Poyer was the best safety in the league this year. Should not only be in the Pro Bowl, but All-Pro too. With the Bills defense it's like they go "well they're all good so we can't give any one of them too much credit". Edited January 10, 2022 by Warcodered 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 29 minutes ago, Utah John said: The Colts, who are finished for the year, are sending seven players to the Pro Bowl, including three players on defense. None of this is a surprise. The Pro Bowl goes to the WRs with the most catches and yards, the QBs with the most TD passes/fewest INTs, the RBs with the most yards, the defensive linemen with the most sacks, the DBs with the most INTs, and the LBs with sacks and INTs. The Bills are built to win as a team, and except for Josh and Diggs, they don't have superstar players. They don't have anyone with the best stats in the league for their positions. So they're overlooked. It sucks but it is what it is. Can you pick ONE player from the Bills' defense who should go? This year the choice would probably be Poyer, but the falloff from Poyer to Hyde to Milano to Oliver to Phillips is pretty small. I say, fine, piss off these players and give them exactly one way to get eve with the world. Win playoff games. Lamar Jackson met none of that criteria 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Herbert is very deserving despite sitting out the playoffs. But Jackson being voted in over Burrow and Allen is criminal. Really not sure why the NFL has to rush the pro-bowl voting. It's always completed with like 3 or 4 games left in the season. Jackson was having a down year to begin with and it turned out he never even returned to play this season. I got to believe if the voting was done at the conclusion of the season that somehow, some way Jackson would not make the pro bowl. At least i hope so. As to the question, why care? I agree. But unfortunately these things do come up all the time in HOF discussions. And I'm fairly positive at least a handful of the folks who vote on the HOF would be dumb enough to let number of pro-bowl appearances sway them. With every passing year the pro-bowl becomes a bigger and bigger joke though so by the time Allen is up for the HOF it probably won't even be given a second thought. Of course Allen is on pace to be a first ballot HOFer anyway and will leave no doubt. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 49 minutes ago, Utah John said: The Colts, who are finished for the year, are sending seven players to the Pro Bowl, including three players on defense. None of this is a surprise. The Pro Bowl goes to the WRs with the most catches and yards, the QBs with the most TD passes/fewest INTs, the RBs with the most yards, the defensive linemen with the most sacks, the DBs with the most INTs, and the LBs with sacks and INTs. The Bills are built to win as a team, and except for Josh and Diggs, they don't have superstar players. They don't have anyone with the best stats in the league for their positions. So they're overlooked. It sucks but it is what it is. Can you pick ONE player from the Bills' defense who should go? This year the choice would probably be Poyer, but the falloff from Poyer to Hyde to Milano to Oliver to Phillips is pretty small. I say, fine, piss off these players and give them exactly one way to get eve with the world. Win playoff games. Lamar Jackson. Not that I really care about the Pro Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 The Pro Bowl is not relevant. It's just an online poll of NFL player Q Scores/Q Ratings. I.e., a popularity contest. Great for gathering marketing intel. Useless for rewarding on-field play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Great Lemur got into Pro Bowl on year the Nevermores need to give him a new contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Jackson should never have got in. And last night was kind of everything I think about Herbert. He is super talented, he can make every single throw but man his fundamentals just get so loose at times. Not that Herbert was the reason LAC lost. It was a combination of defense and STs and the fact that under multiple Head Coaches, multiple different players and two different Quarterbacks... the Chargers are always gonna Charger. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Pro Bowl is a beauty contest rewarding the most marketable players IMO. Josh isn't in that category as yet. He will be in a few weeks ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 There's the green light! Time for a 3rd thread on this!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Who cares. None of our guys can play in the pro bowl anyway because teams in the super bowl can’t have players play in it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 37 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Jackson should never have got in. And last night was kind of everything I think about Herbert. He is super talented, he can make every single throw but man his fundamentals just get so loose at times. Not that Herbert was the reason LAC lost. It was a combination of defense and STs and the fact that under multiple Head Coaches, multiple different players and two different Quarterbacks... the Chargers are always gonna Charger. For those who are too young to remember or who didn't follow football back then or just forgot, the Chargers Chargering goes back to the mid 2000s. In the 2004 draft, the Chargers had the #1 pick and Eli Manning was the prime pick. Eli stated he wouldn't play for SD, so the Chargers traded the #1 pick for the #4 pick and a carload of additional draft picks which the Chargers turned into a talent loaded roster. For several years, they dominated the AFCW and were always the #1 or #2 AFC seed -- and they almost always were one and done in the playoffs. Fans blamed HC Marty Schottenheimer. As their talent declined, the Chargers started missing the playoffs -- sometimes in very strange ways but frequently finding ways to lose games they should win easily -- blame fell first on GM AJ Smith and later, QB Phillip Rivers. All the usual suspects are long gone. The Chargers can't even blame the San Diego water supply since they've moved to LA, and they're still finding new ways to screw up. Chargers are gonna Charger. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 7 hours ago, Malazan said: get over it imo. Who cares about the pro bowl? I would guess the guys who get bonus money when they make it. I havent watched one in forever, but I imagine the players do care to an extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: I would guess the guys who get bonus money when they make it. I havent watched one in forever, but I imagine the players do care to an extent. I can see how that affects you, personally, very deeply. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 5 hours ago, SoTier said: For those who are too young to remember or who didn't follow football back then or just forgot, the Chargers Chargering goes back to the mid 2000s. In the 2004 draft, the Chargers had the #1 pick and Eli Manning was the prime pick. Eli stated he wouldn't play for SD, so the Chargers traded the #1 pick for the #4 pick and a carload of additional draft picks which the Chargers turned into a talent loaded roster. For several years, they dominated the AFCW and were always the #1 or #2 AFC seed -- and they almost always were one and done in the playoffs. Fans blamed HC Marty Schottenheimer. As their talent declined, the Chargers started missing the playoffs -- sometimes in very strange ways but frequently finding ways to lose games they should win easily -- blame fell first on GM AJ Smith and later, QB Phillip Rivers. All the usual suspects are long gone. The Chargers can't even blame the San Diego water supply since they've moved to LA, and they're still finding new ways to screw up. Chargers are gonna Charger. The chargers team back then reminds me of what happened to the bills during our super bowl runs…they were great but the afc had two other powerhouses with hof qbs that they had to compete with every year. Kind of like how we frequently saw an nfc east dynasty in the super bowl way back when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 The probowl is for suckers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 To me this validates their pro bowl status more than anything. Because when you look at the Ravens, they were sitting at 8-3 and the first seed in the AFC before Jackson got hurt. It's no coincidence their entire season cratered once he was out of the lineup. As for the Chargers, without Herbert that's probably a 4 or 5 win team this year. Lot's of pressure on Staley to get the playoffs next year or I suspect the Chargers will be looking for a new HC pretty quick. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: The chargers team back then reminds me of what happened to the bills during our super bowl runs…they were great but the afc had two other powerhouses with hof qbs that they had to compete with every year. Kind of like how we frequently saw an nfc east dynasty in the super bowl way back when. The difference was that unlike the Bills, the Chargers only made to the conference championship once (2007). 2004 - 12-4 -- lost to the Jests in OT in the WC game - coach: Schottenheimer 2006 - 14-2 -- lost to the Patriots in the divisional round after bye for the WC - coach: Schottenheimer 2007 - 11-5 -- beat Titans in WC, beat Colts in divisional round, lost to Patriots in the conference championship - coach: Turner 2008 - 8-8 -- beat Colts in WC, lost to Steelers in divisional round - coach: Turner 2009 - 13-3 -- lost to the Jests in the divisional round after bye - coach: Turner 2013 - 9 -7 -- beat Bengals in WC, lost to Broncos in divisional round - coach: McCoy 2018 - 12-4 -- beat Ravens in WC, lost to Patriots in divisional round - coach: Lynn They also missed the playoffs 4 times while going 9-7 between 2005 and 2020, including losing 3 of their last 4 games in 2005 and 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said: To me this validates their pro bowl status more than anything. That now proves the Probowl is a joke. Thanks @FilthyBeast Edited January 10, 2022 by TBBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said: To me this validates their pro bowl status more than anything. Because when you look at the Ravens, they were sitting at 8-3 and the first seed in the AFC before Jackson got hurt. It's no coincidence their entire season cratered once he was out of the lineup. As for the Chargers, without Herbert that's probably a 4 or 5 win team this year. Lot's of pressure on Staley to get the playoffs next year or I suspect the Chargers will be looking for a new HC pretty quick. Brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 10 hours ago, SoTier said: For those who are too young to remember or who didn't follow football back then or just forgot, the Chargers Chargering goes back to the mid 2000s. In the 2004 draft, the Chargers had the #1 pick and Eli Manning was the prime pick. Eli stated he wouldn't play for SD, so the Chargers traded the #1 pick for the #4 pick and a carload of additional draft picks which the Chargers turned into a talent loaded roster. For several years, they dominated the AFCW and were always the #1 or #2 AFC seed -- and they almost always were one and done in the playoffs. Fans blamed HC Marty Schottenheimer. As their talent declined, the Chargers started missing the playoffs -- sometimes in very strange ways but frequently finding ways to lose games they should win easily -- blame fell first on GM AJ Smith and later, QB Phillip Rivers. All the usual suspects are long gone. The Chargers can't even blame the San Diego water supply since they've moved to LA, and they're still finding new ways to screw up. Chargers are gonna Charger. I think this is peak chargers chargering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, TBBills said: That now proves the Probowl is a joke. Thanks @FilthyBeast It's not everything, but I suspect the players and coaches looked at Allen's jekyll and hyde play this year and believed he is not the main reason we've been successful and similar success could have been had with Trubisky playing with the #1 defense. I myself don't necessarily believe that but there have really only been a few games this year where you can single out Allen as the main reason we won. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 5 hours ago, YattaOkasan said: I think this is peak chargers chargering. Excellent find! The two hosts outlined EXACTLY the Chargers remarkable ability to "***** defeat from the jaws of victory" despite all their talent over the last 15 years. Sunday night's game was more of the same ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/10/2022 at 12:52 AM, Utah John said: The Colts, who are finished for the year, are sending seven players to the Pro Bowl, including three players on defense. None of this is a surprise. The Pro Bowl goes to the WRs with the most catches and yards, the QBs with the most TD passes/fewest INTs, the RBs with the most yards, the defensive linemen with the most sacks, the DBs with the most INTs, and the LBs with sacks and INTs. The Bills are built to win as a team, and except for Josh and Diggs, they don't have superstar players. They don't have anyone with the best stats in the league for their positions. So they're overlooked. It sucks but it is what it is. Can you pick ONE player from the Bills' defense who should go? This year the choice would probably be Poyer, but the falloff from Poyer to Hyde to Milano to Oliver to Phillips is pretty small. I say, fine, piss off these players and give them exactly one way to get eve with the world. Win playoff games. Really 7? Colts are a joke of a team that choked in December, I can't believe they got that many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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