Milanos Milano Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 Jim Kelly called his own plays, Peyton Manning called his own plays. We all have been complaining at Daboll’s head scratching calls at times, so you think Allen calling his own plays would be any worse? Are you guys willing to let Josh Allen truly lead this team? Josh has subtly hinted at his frustrations with the play calling and I think he secretly wants to take over those duties. Then we know who to blame. Allen would be solely responsible for this offensive success or woes. We still need better o-linemen, but I think Allen would lead us just like Kelly did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 Yeah Josh plays a lot of Madden. He'd be a good play caller. Not even kidding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 (edited) Pretty much any time someone asks that question, "Can it get any worse?" the answer is yes. Really, that's my observation. Every single time the answer is that it absolutely can get much much worse. Certainly true in this case. As evidence I will point to the fact that our record is 7-5. It Is not 0-12. Yes, it can get spectacularly worse. This is not a good idea. And while the play-calling could be improved ... it was not the problem yesterday. Execution was. Edited December 8, 2021 by Thurman#1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 Dude should audible any time he wants. He could hardly do worse than Dabollocks last night. 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 Knowing Josh this would be every play. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted December 8, 2021 Author Share Posted December 8, 2021 52 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Knowing Josh this would be every play. I trust Josh. I think Kelly could give some tips to Josh if need be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: Pretty much any time someone asks that question, "Can it get any worse?" the answer is yes. Really, that's my observation. Every single time the answer is that it absolutely can get much much worse. Certainly true in this case. As evidence I will point to the fact that our record is 7-5. It Is not 0-12. Yes, it can get spectacularly worse. This is not a good idea. And while the play-calling could be improved ... it was not the problem yesterday. Execution was. The play calling was absolutely awful. Running with the wind, zero no huddle with the wind, no motion, no pulling guards, no designed Josh runs, so plan inside the red zone, almost no outside runs, 1 WR screen. Yuck.. Edited December 8, 2021 by Locomark 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Avon Lake now Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 I watched the Manning cast because I can't stand the ESPN Monday night guys. Peyton was calling plays most of the night and seemed frustrated with some of those calls near the goal line. If Bills ever let Josh call plays I think he will be more like Kelly and make the adjustments needed. I kind of feel he does that sometimes when the play breaks down, but some of those run calls inside the 10 had no chance. Probably won't happen until Daboll is gone, but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 No. A big part of good play calling is knowing what plays your team can and cannot execute. Knowing the strengths of each player. When JA17 studies tape, he is studying the other team. Not his own players. So, not yet. Maybe they begin an offseason with that as an idea, so JA17 can understand everything that's involved. So he can be involved in driving, not just riding, the weekly installations AND the plans going into that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenboy81 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 This offense is missing no huddle big time. But Josh would have to be able to call plays for it to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 26 minutes ago, maddenboy said: When JA17 studies tape, he is studying the other team. Not his own players. Do you know this for a fact? Seems like he should be studying the "All-22" so he knows what every player is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 yes, because i'm with him 24 hours per day. what is your point? Even studying all 22, you are watching maybe routes, but not necessarily technique Even studying 22, you as Qb are doing it for the next opponent, so the 11 on offense are probably not Bills players, and if they are, its from weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 21 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: Jim Kelly called his own plays, Peyton Manning called his own plays. We all have been complaining at Daboll’s head scratching calls at times, so you think Allen calling his own plays would be any worse? Are you guys willing to let Josh Allen truly lead this team? Josh has subtly hinted at his frustrations with the play calling and I think he secretly wants to take over those duties. Then we know who to blame. Allen would be solely responsible for this offensive success or woes. We still need better o-linemen, but I think Allen would lead us just like Kelly did. Josh does have some freedom to change plays at the line. I remember earlier this season, some of the running plays that everyone hates were audibles that Josh changed into. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 I say give Allen an offensive drive where he calls all the plays. Why not? Maybe they have though already. Who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 11 hours ago, Dave in Avon Lake now said: I watched the Manning cast because I can't stand the ESPN Monday night guys. Peyton was calling plays most of the night and seemed frustrated with some of those calls near the goal line. First time I watched Manning's. I really liked Peyton's input. Yeah he had better calls than what we did. His experience & intelligence made everything so obvious to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Josh is still learning. I would say try it in another year or two. He still needs coaching to reign in his desire for the big play, all the time. I don’t think McDermott would go for it at this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Overall, I think that would be a bad idea. Having said that, Josh would undoubtedly do a few things that would aid the offense. 1) He would throw the ball all the time, or call QB designed run plays, both of which are our strengths, because he wants to be in the center of the action. 2) He would likely keep it simple, cutting back on errors and allowing players to get into a groove. 3) Plays would unfold quicker than they do now, also allowing Josh to get in a rhythm. All that would help the team, not hurt it. For a series now and again, it could be an interesting experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 How many other QBs call their own plays? This is not a loaded question; it's purely informational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 I believe he already calls his own plays at times. We wouldn't know unless he specifically said so in an interview, but it's just what I believe. He knows the offense well enough at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 23 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Knowing Josh this would be every play. Out of 46 passing plays like NEs* 46 running plays, Josh is bound to pop one... And Bills will win the game! Give it a shot. Trust the process! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Hmm... I kinda assumed that he did audible some of the plays already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 19 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Out of 46 passing plays like NEs* 46 running plays, Josh is bound to pop one... And Bills will win the game! Give it a shot. Trust the process! And at some point, too, you'll get one for free when they call DPI. Gotta be in it to win it! THROW THE BALL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 By and large, I think Daboll has done a nice job as an OC. He was given a raw QB with a low completion rate, a couple of slow 3rd round backs, and a bunch of poor offensive linemen. Yet, the Bills have been averaging roughly 30 points per game, last season till now. There are games where the Bills seem to be able to score at ease and on those days I think Daboll is a genius for covering up all our deficiencies. And then there are games like the one against New England where I just don't know what he was trying to do. But I don't think changing the playcaller is the answer. As it is now, Daboll calls the play and gives Allen the authority to audible if he sees something in the D. That's probably the best way to run an offense in the modern NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stosh64 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 I trust Josh to do what's needed to win 100% more than Daboll. Josh is..., well, Josh. He has a chance to be the best, EVER. Daboll is another failed Belichick underling. Let Josh run his own show, he will figure out whatever it takes to win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 12/8/2021 at 9:29 AM, Dave in Avon Lake now said: I watched the Manning cast because I can't stand the ESPN Monday night guys. Peyton was calling plays most of the night and seemed frustrated with some of those calls near the goal line. If Bills ever let Josh call plays I think he will be more like Kelly and make the adjustments needed. I kind of feel he does that sometimes when the play breaks down, but some of those run calls inside the 10 had no chance. Probably won't happen until Daboll is gone, but... Does Peyton want an OC job ? Get him out of the studio Beane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 On 12/7/2021 at 11:06 PM, IronMaidenBills said: Jim Kelly called his own plays, Peyton Manning called his own plays. We all have been complaining at Daboll’s head scratching calls at times, so you think Allen calling his own plays would be any worse? Are you guys willing to let Josh Allen truly lead this team? Josh has subtly hinted at his frustrations with the play calling and I think he secretly wants to take over those duties. Then we know who to blame. Allen would be solely responsible for this offensive success or woes. We still need better o-linemen, but I think Allen would lead us just like Kelly did. When ever someone thinks player is "subtly hinted" it is because what that person is thinking and person has no idea how player is thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Limeaid said: When ever someone thinks player is "subtly hinted" it is because what that person is thinking and person has no idea how player is thinking. No, Josh has hinted at more control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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