HappyDays Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Quote 1. Getting back to some offensive principles of old We spotted the Bills using heavy personnel at a higher rate than we had seen from them at any point in the 2021 season. Using the combination of one running back, two wide receivers and a tight end with either another tight end, a fullback or a sixth offensive lineman produced excellent results. The Bills averaged 10.2 yards per play on those snaps. Entering the Jets game, the Bills had their quarterbacks in shotgun on 76.8 percent of snaps, not including kneeldowns. That included Week 9 against the Jaguars when the Bills had Allen in shotgun on 91.3 percent of their plays. That was the second time the Bills hit at least 90 percent of snaps in shotgun, and in both games, the Bills lost. Interestingly enough, in the Bills’ only other loss this season, they were in shotgun on 89.8 percent of snaps against the Titans. For the run game, lining up under center allowed the Bills to get back to some of their successful pin-and-pull blocking from 2019. It enables some of the team’s athletic offensive linemen, like center Mitch Morse and right guard Daryl Williams, to get out in front of running backs and deliver a key block to the outside. However, the Bills’ play-action game is what benefited the most from Allen lining up under center. According to TruMedia and Pro Football Focus, on Sunday, the Bills ran the highest rate of early-down play action (69.6 percent) in one game since the start of the 2019 season. Allen completed 14 attempts on play-action passes, and 13 of them were on first and second down. For the game, Allen completed 13 of 16 early-down play-action attempts for 269 yards and a whopping 16.8 yards per attempt. Over the last three seasons, the Bills have not lost a game when using play action on at least 50 percent of early downs. The scoring outputs shifted slightly from 30 to 49.9 percent, but 30 or more percent yielded around 29 points per game. The Bills averaged around 12 fewer points per game when they fell below the 30 percent threshold. And for those wondering, the Bills were at 27.5 percent during the Jacksonville debacle. I don't like copying and pasting too much from The Athletic since it requires a paid subscription and the above was by far the most interesting section so I'll leave it at that. To quickly summarize the rest: 2) Davis's footwork, blocking, deep speed, and route deception shined against the Jets. 3) Rousseau looks natural and explosive dropping into coverage when the play calls for it. His versatility allows the Bills to use overload blitzes with great success. 4) The run defense took a big hit with Star out of the game. Oliver and Phillips both did well, but Butler and Obada were both liabilities against the run. Joe is concerned about how we'll hold up against the Colts and Saints running attacks and he thinks Brandin Bryant should be activated from the PS as long as Star is out. Top 5 grades: 1) Hyde (A) 2) White (Tre'Davious, not Mike) (A-) 3) Allen (A-) 4) Diggs (A-) 5) Poyer (A-) Bottom 5 grades (worst to 5th worst) 1) Butler (C-) 2) Knox (C) 3) Sweeney (C+) 4) Gilliam (C+) 5) Boettger (C+) 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Get comfortable with Allen being under center…he will be there a lot. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Vernon Butler needs to be cut or inactive the rest of the year, just like with Moss not sure why we keep wasting playing time with him other than the fact he's a former Panther. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Get comfortable with Allen being under center…he will be there a lot. They are 17th in YPP out of the shotgun and 2nd in YPP under center. Sunday, Allen had the highest number of yards on play action throws in the NFL over the last two years. He should be under center a lot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: They are 17th in YPP out of the shotgun and 2nd in YPP under center. Sunday, Allen had the highest number of yards on play action throws in the NFL over the last two years. He should be under center a lot. That is until defenses figure out how to stop it. Then we can revert back to Shotgun. just keep adjusting. Its very nice to know he can play under center though, he struggled in 2019 I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, jletha said: That is until defenses figure out how to stop it. Then we can revert back to Shotgun. just keep adjusting. Its very nice to know he can play under center though, he struggled in 2019 I believe. Allen has been better under center this year than he was last year and the year before. He is also much more comfortable in this offense and with the game overall. He is a smart kid and very natural in his ball handling skills in play action. The game is always about adjustments, within game and week to week. It is not like he is bad out of the shotgun... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Get comfortable with Allen being under center…he will be there a lot. Good....I'm tired of the shotgun RPO. Give our RB's a fighting chance actually moving on handoff. Play action will return. Run more plays outside the D gap. Use Breida and Davis more. We obviously don't have the luxury to replace Boettger right away so slide help to the left. The Jets gameplan was great but be prepared to adjust again & again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said: Vernon Butler needs to be cut or inactive the rest of the year, just like with Moss not sure why we keep wasting playing time with him other than the fact he's a former Panther. I predict another D-line 1st round pick in 2022 again. I bet Star, Butler, Oboda and Phillips will be gone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said: Vernon Butler needs to be cut or inactive the rest of the year, just like with Moss not sure why we keep wasting playing time with him other than the fact he's a former Panther. I don't mind Moss being active giving the backfield a power look. But I do agree on Vernon Butler, he should be in active, he is bringing no value. 13 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: I predict another D-line 1st round pick in 2022 again. I bet Star, Butler, Oboda and Phillips will be gone. Star has been one of the best D-line players on the roster, the rest of the players you might be right but Star has not only been the source of the improved run defense but has added a pass rush element to his game. Star has also restructured his contract to make his cap hit more in line with his production. I wouldn't be surprised to see a first round pick at DT but Star is back next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) I’m glad you clarified with on Mike White vs Tre What did Klein grade? Edited November 17, 2021 by Virgil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Not shocking to see the secondary, Allen and Diggs getting the highest grades. No super low grades either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Surprised nobody has mentioned Knox being in the bottom 5. The other 4 I'm not surprised at all. It's pretty sad that until I saw some of the other posters mention him by name, that I had zero clue who Butler was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 30 minutes ago, Virgil said: What did Klein grade? B+, 12th ranked player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 45 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: I predict another D-line 1st round pick in 2022 again. I bet Star, Butler, Oboda and Phillips will be gone. The only reason I think they don't go in that direction is because run-stuffing DT's can be gotten in free agency for a reasonable price. I think they take a versatile offensive lineman that can play guard and tackle. I bet either Feliciano or Williams gets cut this off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Get comfortable with Allen being under center…he will be there a lot. Dial back the RPO stuff and get Allen under center working the play action and bootlegs. Keep the jet sweeps and motions. It works. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 26 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said: The only reason I think they don't go in that direction is because run-stuffing DT's can be gotten in free agency for a reasonable price. I think they take a versatile offensive lineman that can play guard and tackle. I bet either Feliciano or Williams gets cut this off-season. WR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 3 hours ago, HappyDays said: I don't like copying and pasting too much from The Athletic since it requires a paid subscription and the above was by far the most interesting section so I'll leave it at that. To quickly summarize the rest: 2) Davis's footwork, blocking, deep speed, and route deception shined against the Jets. 3) Rousseau looks natural and explosive dropping into coverage when the play calls for it. His versatility allows the Bills to use overload blitzes with great success. 4) The run defense took a big hit with Star out of the game. Oliver and Phillips both did well, but Butler and Obada were both liabilities against the run. Joe is concerned about how we'll hold up against the Colts and Saints running attacks and he thinks Brandin Bryant should be activated from the PS as long as Star is out. Top 5 grades: 1) Hyde (A) 2) White (Tre'Davious, not Mike) (A-) 3) Allen (A-) 4) Diggs (A-) 5) Poyer (A-) Bottom 5 grades (worst to 5th worst) 1) Butler (C-) 2) Knox (C) 3) Sweeney (C+) 4) Gilliam (C+) 5) Boettger (C+) The point about the run defense definitely is concerning. It makes you wonder if Oliver and Phillips just stay on the field longer. I’m not a fan of Vernon Butler. He isn’t very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 16 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Jesus Christ how many do they need? How bout some investment offensively? They should go WR first round next year, IMO. This is most likely Beasleys last year here, Sanders is 34 and may retire and then you just have Diggs and Davis…. They need to start adding more playmakers offensively and stop loading up defensively, IMO. I agree with you but it seems like the Bills have been getting good value with WR free agents and later round selections like Davis. DL free agents seem pricey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 4 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said: I predict another D-line 1st round pick in 2022 again. I bet Star, Butler, Oboda and Phillips will be gone. That last would be really stupid, considering that 2 of our top 3 WR are 33 and 34, we only have one TE, and our interior OL is struggling. At some point we must invest in the offense, and moving on from 3 of 4 DT plus a guy who can rotate would just create a huge hole we have to fill. Phillips, Butler and Obada are all UFA. Star is under contract through 2023. I can't tell you how the Bills FO will evaluate them or what they offer, but it's always a bit of a guessing game signing lower tier FA, you always overpay for top guys, and we can't draft 3 or 4 top DT. 35 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Jesus Christ how many do they need? How bout some investment offensively? They should go WR first round next year, IMO. This is most likely Beasleys last year here, Sanders is 34 and may retire and then you just have Diggs and Davis…. They need to start adding more playmakers offensively and stop loading up defensively, IMO. I agree (not necessarily with WR in the first round, but that we need some investment offensively) End of the world predicted, News at 11 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 4 hours ago, HappyDays said: B+, 12th ranked player. Joe Buscaglia's grades continue to make no sense whatsoever to me. OK, very little sense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 5 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said: I predict another D-line 1st round pick in 2022 again. I bet Star, Butler, Oboda and Phillips will be gone. I think we keep Phillips, but agree on the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, hemma said: I think we keep Phillips, but agree on the others. Depends upon what he thinks he can get in FA, and what we really think of his physicality on game day I have the impression that he's more into being a great humanitarian than a great football player, but what matters is the viewpoint of the coaches and the guys who are playing beside him. The fact that he's been a "healthy scratch" in 3 games so far this season is not a great sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Depends upon what he thinks he can get in FA, and what we really think of his physicality on game day I have the impression that he's more into being a great humanitarian than a great football player, but what matters is the viewpoint of the coaches and the guys who are playing beside him. The fact that he's been a "healthy scratch" in 3 games so far this season is not a great sign. I thought he played pretty stout the other day. I personally would flush the other 3 for either performance or *recurring non-availability* issues. Gotta keep one of them or we hit total vacuum. My guess is they keep Harrison. Probably get a lot of snaps the next 2 weeks, so let’s see how he performs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Joe Buscaglia's grades continue to make no sense whatsoever to me. OK, very little sense Agreed. I think his biases come through. I also don't think he knows exactly what he is watching. You need a deep understanding of scheme and assignments to really grade players, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Bangarang said: Dial back the RPO stuff and get Allen under center working the play action and bootlegs. Keep the jet sweeps and motions. It works. You do know that I'm not Brian Daboll right? I'm a 39 year old corporate guy that makes up fake meetings I need to attend when people ask me for help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Draft OL C/G in the first round. Safety in the second. 1 tech DT in the third. Bring back Edmunds but don't sign an extension Sign Juju Smith-Schuster in FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Depends upon what he thinks he can get in FA, and what we really think of his physicality on game day I have the impression that he's more into being a great humanitarian than a great football player, but what matters is the viewpoint of the coaches and the guys who are playing beside him. The fact that he's been a "healthy scratch" in 3 games so far this season is not a great sign. Yeah the coaches will never admit it but if Zimmer was healthy its unlikely Phillips would have dressed many more games this season. Maybe Tenn, Pats, and Indy who are run heavy but even then it would have been less likely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostbite Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 15 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said: The only reason I think they don't go in that direction is because run-stuffing DT's can be gotten in free agency for a reasonable price. I think they take a versatile offensive lineman that can play guard and tackle. I bet either Feliciano or Williams gets cut this off-season. Agree. It's by far the weakest link on this team. I see interior o-line in round 1 that can start right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: You do know that I'm not Brian Daboll right? I'm a 39 year old corporate guy that makes up fake meetings I need to attend when people ask me for help. That’s exactly what Daboll would want me to me believe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, Bangarang said: That’s exactly what Daboll would want me to me believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 17 hours ago, Virgil said: I’m glad you clarified with on Mike White vs Tre What did Klein grade? Which Klein? Calvin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 13 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Jesus Christ how many do they need? How bout some investment offensively? They should go WR first round next year, IMO. This is most likely Beasleys last year here, Sanders is 34 and may retire and then you just have Diggs and Davis…. They need to start adding more playmakers offensively and stop loading up defensively, IMO. I agree spend some high picks on offense- give me offensive line first and foremost. RB and WR would be great too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: WR then interior line…. RBs aren’t with a high round pick…. Not sure Guards are either. like I said, I would love all 3. You are making a general argument, and have no idea how board will fall, or what our draft slot is. Way too rigid IMO. For me, equal value RB, WR, or G- I protect my $250 star QB. Both our Guards play is woeful. Morse stays, but we need two new starters at G. If I get a solid starting Guard in first round- I strongly consider. Same with 2nd round. Guards are our weakest 2 positions IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 17 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: WR then interior line…. RBs aren’t with a high round pick…. Not sure Guards are either. Watch Quenton Nelson blow apart our DL Sunday and you will think differently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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