Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I'd advocate trying the following O-line for a few series at least and see what happens. LT - Brown LG - Dawkins C - Morse RG - Boettger RT - Williams There is no PS player that is going to save this situation. What do you all think of this idea. Williams is a much better RT than a guard. Brown looks capable of playing OT in the NFL. Dawkins is good but not elite at LT. The current guards are turnstiles and can't move or block anyone. Morse is what he is. He's solidly above average pass blocker and poor run blocker. Ford is just a massive bust. Bates is a tease. He is probably not capable of playing any position for any length of time but he is a good game-day injury option that can back-up all five spots. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Not. Going. To. Happen. Ethan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 There unfortunately isn't a fix . I think sadly the best option is: LT- Dawkins LG- Feliciano C- Morse RG- Williams RT- Brown. Not saying that's ideal, but I think it's their "best" option for this year. Need a big change in the off season. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, NewEra said: Not. Going. To. Happen. Ethan Probably not but it's worth a try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Not sure what the advanced stats say but Dawkins has had a number of awful plays this year. Largely the same players last year created nice pockets for Josh for much of last year.....I am somewhat optimistic they can straighten things out some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, mattynh said: Not sure what the advanced stats say but Dawkins has had a number of awful plays this year. The Tennessee 4th&1 Dawkins missed his block so DE stuffed Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 The sooner Felciano Morse Wiliams are not starting the better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, MarkyMannn said: The Tennessee 4th&1 Dawkins missed his block so DE stuffed Allen Actually the DE and Dawkins stuffed Allen. He literallly blew his ass right into Allen.....from LT! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Reich Thing Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, MAJBobby said: The sooner Felciano Morse Wiliams are not starting the better You forgot Dawkins. He has been awful as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Do The Reich Thing said: You forgot Dawkins. He has been awful as well. He isn’t going to be healthy all year after his COVID. That is what is is. I know a lot of people want to ignore the issues he had with it and the weight loss and strength. Isn’t going to be himself again until next year. the other three don’t even need to be on this team Edited November 8, 2021 by MAJBobby 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Lets move our franchise left tackle to Center, put Tommy Sweeney at left tackle because he’s agile, put an injured Feliciano in at Center also, then flip Bottegar with Feliciano because position flexibility. Problem solved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 20 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I'd advocate trying the following O-line for a few series at least and see what happens. LT - Brown LG - Dawkins C - Morse RG - Boettger RT - Williams There is no PS player that is going to save this situation. What do you all think of this idea. Williams is a much better RT than a guard. Brown looks capable of playing OT in the NFL. Dawkins is good but not elite at LT. The current guards are turnstiles and can't move or block anyone. Morse is what he is. He's solidly above average pass blocker and poor run blocker. Ford is just a massive bust. Bates is a tease. He is probably not capable of playing any position for any length of time but he is a good game-day injury option that can back-up all five spots. I think they should just fire Bobby Johnson and draft 2 interior OL this draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Reich Thing Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, MAJBobby said: He isn’t going to be healthy all year after his COVID. That is what is is. the other three don’t even need to be on this team I’m tired of the Covid excuse. He has been and always will be mediocre. Average doesn’t cut it when you have a 250 million $ QB 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) I predict that Feliciano, Morse, Ford and Boettger are not on this team next year... Williams needs to improve to get paid $8m again next year... Edited November 8, 2021 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, Do The Reich Thing said: I’m tired of the Covid excuse. He has been and always will be mediocre. Average doesn’t cut it when you have a 250 million $ QB Sorry you don’t like the legit fact. And he hasn’t been AVG but ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Reich Thing Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Sorry you don’t like the legit fact. And he hasn’t been AVG but ok If it is a legit fact, which is odd because nothing has been mentioned about his poor performance due to Covid before, then he doesn’t need to be suiting up and playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Now you guys are with me. Where were you 6 weeks ago when I got slaughtered on Reddit for saying the same thing? Lol. The Cover 1 guy shrieked in horror that someone could possibly say we needed a change at LT. Maybe that blind side hit today that almost ripped Josh in half will change his mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 24 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I'd advocate trying the following O-line for a few series at least and see what happens. LT - Brown LG - Dawkins C - Morse RG - Boettger RT - Williams There is no PS player that is going to save this situation. What do you all think of this idea. Williams is a much better RT than a guard. Brown looks capable of playing OT in the NFL. Dawkins is good but not elite at LT. The current guards are turnstiles and can't move or block anyone. Morse is what he is. He's solidly above average pass blocker and poor run blocker. Ford is just a massive bust. Bates is a tease. He is probably not capable of playing any position for any length of time but he is a good game-day injury option that can back-up all five spots. I think you have to sit Dawkins. It looks to me that he has not really recovered from his bout with Covid. I would give our other rookie T a shot at RT or Douglas and move Williams back inside once Brown comes back. But they have to shake it up; they can’t accept the level of play seen today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 As mentioned above, we need new ol coaching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Do The Reich Thing said: If it is a legit fact, which is odd because nothing has been mentioned about his poor performance due to Covid before, then he doesn’t need to be suiting up and playing. It was talked about very early that he wasn’t going to be himself. And sorry what do you want him to come out and say I played bad because I am down 30 lbs and weaker? and I don’t know Ask McD why he isn’t sitting him. I mean hell while you at it ask him why he keeps trotting ford out there Edited November 8, 2021 by MAJBobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I'd advocate trying the following O-line for a few series at least and see what happens. LT - Brown LG - Dawkins C - Morse RG - Boettger RT - Williams There is no PS player that is going to save this situation. What do you all think of this idea. Williams is a much better RT than a guard. Brown looks capable of playing OT in the NFL. Dawkins is good but not elite at LT. The current guards are turnstiles and can't move or block anyone. Morse is what he is. He's solidly above average pass blocker and poor run blocker. Ford is just a massive bust. Bates is a tease. He is probably not capable of playing any position for any length of time but he is a good game-day injury option that can back-up all five spots. i actually think the biggest problem is Williams at RT. It’s like he moved inside for a bit and forgot how to play tackle. He looked far worse to me than Ford did at guard today. edit: and Ike was atrocious today. Edited November 8, 2021 by Miyagi-Do Karate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 After today I never want to see Daryl Williams play RT again. Just watch him sleep on that late sack of Josh and you'll be disgusted. Leave Brown at RT, jam DW to RG and ask Dion to earn his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 19 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: The sooner Felciano Morse Wiliams are not starting the better Morse is only Olineman playing reasonably Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Morse is only Olineman playing reasonably Still doesn’t mean he is good. dawkins and Brown at the only two keepers out of this starting unit I want here next year. Go full chiefs. The problem identified do the overhaul Edited November 8, 2021 by MAJBobby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george c Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 ….and the Chief are still in the same boat. We lost, we sucked, we’ll practice…on to NY. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Still doesn’t mean he is good. dawkins and Brown at the only two keepers out of this starting unit I want here next year. Go full chiefs. The problem identified do the overhaul I'd say at Dawkins price he should go first. The schnowman can find a new home or build a ***** igloo for all I care. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 29 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: He isn’t going to be healthy all year after his COVID. That is what is is. I know a lot of people want to ignore the issues he had with it and the weight loss and strength. Isn’t going to be himself again until next year. the other three don’t even need to be on this team The bad part about Dawkins though is he's making mental mistakes also. He's Getting beat to your point and I'm sure a lot of it is due to covid as you said. But he's also just missing simple stunts and isn't picking up the blitzer coming off the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 15 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: i actually think the biggest problem is Williams at RT. It’s like he moved inside for a bit and forgot how to play tackle. He looked far worse to me than Ford did at guard today. edit: and Ike was atrocious today. Williams and Ford were horrific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: Williams and Ford were horrific. re Williams, did you see the last 3rd down where Williams allowed the sack? Someone posted the video in another thread here. He stood there for like 2 seconds while his man went by him. And that was the game!! It knocked us out of FG range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said: re Williams, did you see the last 3rd down where Williams allowed the sack? Someone posted the video in another thread here. He stood there for like 2 seconds while his man went by him. And that was the game!! It knocked us out of FG range. Yes I did. There was another play the DE was in a wide 9 and Williams off the ball went right inside and blocked no one. The DE was in Allen's face immediately. Not just getting bear physically but making mental mistakes all over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: The bad part about Dawkins though is he's making mental mistakes also. He's Getting beat to your point and I'm sure a lot of it is due to covid as you said. But he's also just missing simple stunts and isn't picking up the blitzer coming off the edge. Mental mistake is also an issue with the virus. My boss caught it. He said after cleared he still was in a fog for 6 months or so. It was confusing to him. I think he should be sat down but I don’t think his drop off in play this year is because he got paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Mental mistake is also an issue with the virus. My boss caught it. He said after cleared he still was in a fog for 6 months or so. It was confusing to him. I think he should be sat down but I don’t think his drop off in play this year is because he got paid. Ahh ok Fair enough. And ya agreed. Problem is if you bench him, who would you put in though? Especially if brown is out. Maybe Bates? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Williams and Ford were horrific. Yes Williams, Ford and Dawkins collectively played their worst game. Boett's penalty was so unfair and at least Morse held his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: I'd advocate trying the following O-line for a few series at least and see what happens. LT - Brown LG - Dawkins C - Morse RG - Boettger RT - Williams There is no PS player that is going to save this situation. What do you all think of this idea. Williams is a much better RT than a guard. Brown looks capable of playing OT in the NFL. Dawkins is good but not elite at LT. The current guards are turnstiles and can't move or block anyone. Morse is what he is. He's solidly above average pass blocker and poor run blocker. Ford is just a massive bust. Bates is a tease. He is probably not capable of playing any position for any length of time but he is a good game-day injury option that can back-up all five spots. Dawkins has never played guard in the NFL. I don’t see this happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said: Ahh ok Fair enough. And ya agreed. Problem is if you bench him, who would you put in though? Especially if brown is out. Maybe Bates? Not sure. Maybe try it. But he is the furthest issue even with his down play. Have to get the OGs figured out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Yes I did. There was another play the DE was in a wide 9 and Williams off the ball went right inside and blocked no one. The DE was in Allen's face immediately. Not just getting bear physically but making mental mistakes all over the place. That was my take too— like 60% mental errors by the line today. The three interior linemen could not handle a stunt today to save their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Time to move Boogie to guard! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Why can our OTs not be two steps into their pass drop before the ball is snapped like the Jags were at least 10 times today? Bills should absolutely send the cut up of all those to the league officials 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Yes I did. There was another play the DE was in a wide 9 and Williams off the ball went right inside and blocked no one. The DE was in Allen's face immediately. Not just getting bear physically but making mental mistakes all over the place. Yeah it’s bad when the IOL is getting walked back into Josh’s face such that he can’t step up and the ends get close while generally maintaining contain. Big issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: I'd advocate trying the following O-line for a few series at least and see what happens. LT - Brown LG - Dawkins C - Morse RG - Boettger RT - Williams There is no PS player that is going to save this situation. What do you all think of this idea. Williams is a much better RT than a guard. Brown looks capable of playing OT in the NFL. Dawkins is good but not elite at LT. The current guards are turnstiles and can't move or block anyone. Morse is what he is. He's solidly above average pass blocker and poor run blocker. Ford is just a massive bust. Bates is a tease. He is probably not capable of playing any position for any length of time but he is a good game-day injury option that can back-up all five spots. This would be akin to "shuffling" your own hand which has a pair of 7's whilst the guy across the table holds a straight flush. No "shuffle" is fixing this heartless, teflon O-line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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