Derrick Henry potential season ending injury

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Process said:

Wow. You can stick a fork in the Titans if this is true.

 

The AFC continues to look weaker and weaker each week. 

 

 

 

OMG, horrible news for them and for him

[BuffaninSarasota]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Okay.  If the location is "ideal"....could he heal in time this season to play?

 

without knowing the exact location/type of fracture, I really can't even speculate. It also depends if there is any associated soft-tissue avulsion (i.e., Lisfranc injury)

[mannc]

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Hate to see any player get injured. This would be a real tough loss for the Titans. Their running game and play action game will be nowhere near the same without Henry.

As great as he is, Henry is still just a running back and this is 2021.  This is not nearly as big a setback for the Titans as it would be for a team losing its franchise QB. I don’t believe the Titans will suffer nearly as much as some predict.

[nucci]

1 minute ago, starrymessenger said:

Oh I would definitely take the win and run with it obviously. What I’m saying is if I had a choice of playing them with or without Henry I’d rather take on their best. I take no pleasure or derive any comfort from seeing great players go down - even if it improves my chances.

How ‘bout you?

I don't like seeing players hurt either . I never said I take pleasure seeing players injured. Henry is great to watch but season goes on and if we play them we have a better chance to win....assuming we're healthy

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Hate to see anyone injured, but when you give a RB that many touches, he’s going to get dinged up. I have feeling the Titans will still be very tough without Henry.

 

I don't know.  I'm one who believes that Tannehill is a much better QB than many on here believed (he got Gased in Miami).

 

But, there's no question that the Titans whole offense is currently designed around King Henry.  Their passing game is open when teams try to contain him.

 

Uncertain whether Todd Downing can revamp the offense to work differently, if he's out for any length of time.  (I'm pumping the brakes on the "season ending" talk just yet)

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Full disclosure I'm a cardiologist and not an orthopedist.  And I admit my errors. 

 

Looks like overuse can be a cause of this type of injury or fracture but also an acute break can occur.  Not sure how that plays into his number of carries as opposed to all the times he runs during practice or training.   Probably will never know.  

 

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/315039

[billsfan1959]

6 minutes ago, mannc said:

As great as he is, Henry is still just a running back and this is 2021.  This is not nearly as big a setback for the Titans as it would be for a team losing its franchise QB. I don’t believe the Titans will suffer nearly as much as some predict.

 

He is not just any running back. I can't think of another running back in this league that could step in and provide what Henry provides for the Titans, in terms of production and offensive play calling opportunities based soley on how a defense plays Henry.

 

I still think they would be a good team, just not nearly as good.

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by billsfan1959

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

 

without knowing the exact location/type of fracture, I really can't even speculate. It also depends if there is any associated soft-tissue avulsion (i.e., Lisfranc injury)

 

Thanks.  I asked because I don't want him coming back this year lol.  I hate to see injuries but I haven't seen a Super Bowl Trophy in my lifetime.  The Titans with Henry would be my biggest worry in the playoffs.

[BuffaloBill]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

He is not just any running back. I can't think of another running back in this league that could step in and provide what Henry provides for the Titans, in terms of production and offensive play calling opportunities based soley on how a defense plays Henry.

 Exactly, and exactly why the days of “franchise running backs” has disappeared from the NFL. Any player is one play away from retirement but RB’s have far more likely hood of the “one play” as compared to a QB.

[mannc]

3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

He is not just any running back. I can't think of another running back in this league that could step in and provide what Henry provides for the Titans, in terms of production and offensive play calling opportunities based soley on how a defense plays Henry.

 

I still think they would be a good team, just not nearly as good.

 

I remember a few years back, when Todd Gurley was getting MVP mentions as the Rams’ feature back. When he went down with an injury, the Rams plugged in Malcolm  Brown and they didn’t miss a beat.  I know Henry’s better than Gurley was, but the Titans are also a pretty solid all-around team.  I still think they win the division and go 12-5, or better.

[MAJBobby]

If he is out for the year.....  Titans will have to change their entire Offense.

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 Exactly, and exactly why the days of “franchise running backs” has disappeared from the NFL. Any player is one play away from retirement but RB’s have far more likely hood of the “one play” as compared to a QB.

 

Franchise QB's these days are good for 15 years.  It's up from the earlier days like in the 80's and 90's.  10 years would be great.

 

But RB's these days, usually are good for about 5-6 years and then they fall off a cliff.  That hasn't changed since the 80's and 90's.  

[MAJBobby]

Just now, mannc said:

I remember a few years back, when Todd Gurley was getting MVP mentions as the Rams’ feature back. When he went down with an injury, the Rams plugged in Malcolm  Brown and they didn’t miss a beat.  I know Henry’s better than Gurley was, but the Titans are also a pretty solid all-around team.  I still think they win the division and go 12-5, or better.

The next leading back without "missing a beat" Has 38 yards

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, mannc said:

As great as he is, Henry is still just a running back and this is 2021.  This is not nearly as big a setback for the Titans as it would be for a team losing its franchise QB. I don’t believe the Titans will suffer nearly as much as some predict.

 

Tennessee will still win that division because, well, who else is there? I think their shot at the #1 seed is pretty much gone though and they are far less of a threat in the post-season without Henry.

[BuffaninSarasota]

makes you think TN will be looking to go after a RB before tomorrow's trade deadline

[billsfan1959]

Just now, mannc said:

I remember a few years back, when Todd Gurley was getting MVP mentions as the Rams’ feature back. When he went down with an injury, the Rams plugged in Malcolm  Brown and they didn’t miss a beat.  I know Henry’s better than Gurley was, but the Titans are also a pretty solid all-around team.  I still think they win the division and go 12-5, or better.

 

I do think they would still be a good team and in the playoff hunt. However, I just don't think they would be a champioship caliber team. Hopefully, for Henry and the team, they don't have to find out.

[Lv-Bills]

21 minutes ago, mannc said:

As great as he is, Henry is still just a running back and this is 2021.  This is not nearly as big a setback for the Titans as it would be for a team losing its franchise QB. I don’t believe the Titans will suffer nearly as much as some predict.

This is exactly the type of setback for the Titans as it is for a team with a franchise QB.  Their entire offense is built around his physicality.  There isn't another player on their roster that could have ripped off that long run he had on the Bills that Henry had.  That's huge.  The reason Tannehill is so effective is because teams have to gear to stop Henry and how he keeps grinding on teams the entire game, even getting stronger as the game goes on.  They will be nothing near what they are with Henry.  He is the only exception to the rule about RB's in today's NFL.  

 

Doesn't mean they won't win their division, but the Titans just lost one of the best offensive playmakers in the NFL.  On a higher level, they won't be the same.....clearly.

 

Without Henry, they are now kind of a Bengals, Raiders type of team.  This is a huge loss for them.  

Edited November 1, 2021 by Lv-Bills

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

I remember a few years back, when Todd Gurley was getting MVP mentions as the Rams’ feature back. When he went down with an injury, the Rams plugged in Malcolm  Brown and they didn’t miss a beat.  I know Henry’s better than Gurley was, but the Titans are also a pretty solid all-around team.  I still think they win the division and go 12-5, or better.

 

Henry means everything to this offense.  He has 219 carries in 8 games.  He was on pace to shatter the NFL record for most attempts in a season.

Losing Henry to the Titans is equivalent to losing a franchise QB.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

53 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

No it's really not.  I'm sorry to disagree with you.  I'm a physician and what you are saying is just not correct.  

 

I don't know what specialty of physician you are, but can I say you're both right? 

 

One cause of 5th metatarsal fractures is, in fact, overuse - "repetitive microtrauma", see link above for one.

Otherwise, injuries can be random and not necessarily linked to playing time

 

I say "necessarily" because we do have one guy here who makes the argument that some players make themselves injury prone by their style of play.  I was resistant to this POV, but there is a point that if a guy never gives up on a play with a bigger stronger player who has positional leverage, he is more likely to get injured.

[Brandon]

He was on pace for nearly 500 carries this season,  not even counting receptions.  It's unfortunate,  but what did they expect? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

44 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

For someone his size, I would guess he's one of those 2 surgery ones.  Julio Jones, Kevin Durant, Edleman and someone else I believe had to have 2 surgeries.

 

 

More to do with the specifics on location of the fracture and on how that person's body recovers/how well they follow their rehab plan.  Watkins, for example, later acknowledged his problems healing stemmed from him not following the rehab program laid out for him (taking his walking boot off etc).

 

Henry will follow his rehab plan and he must heal well to take the workload he does week after week.   So then it depends on the specifics of the location.

[psuscott16]

They play the Rams and Saints the next 2 weeks. 

[mannc]

13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

The next leading back without "missing a beat" Has 38 yards

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, psuscott16 said:

They play the Rams and Saints the next 2 weeks. 

 

We're taking over the #1 seed in the next 3 weeks.

Just now, mannc said:

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

 

 Titans second leading rusher has 38 yards on the season.

[Don Otreply]

55 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Not me. I’d rather beat their best if we wind up having to go through Tennessee. If they are better so be it. How good could an opponent feel beating the Bills if Allen had to sit out?

They would feel real damn good, knowing full well that no one cares how you beat your opponents to win the super bowl when it’s all said and done.  
 

Go Bills!!!

[mannc]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Tennessee will still win that division because, well, who else is there? I think their shot at the #1 seed is pretty much gone though and they are far less of a threat in the post-season without Henry.

Yeah, I mean, how will the Titans replace those 28 carries for 68 yards that Henry had yesterday against Indy?

[Tenhigh]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Tennessee will still win that division because, well, who else is there? I think their shot at the #1 seed is pretty much gone though and they are far less of a threat in the post-season without Henry.

I agree they probably win that division, but that's not saying much, and the Colts aren't as bad as their record shows, and wouldn't be surprised if they made a run.  But to the folks who think losing Henry isn't as impactful as losing a franchise QB, I think you're going to remember just how average a Tannehill led offense is without him.  We've seen it, he was essentially considered mediocre until he got paired with DH.   Usually a RB complements a franchise QB's skillset, but it's the opposite in Tennessee.   

[Freddie's Dead]

Without Henry, the Titians are in big trouble.  You can't just replace 80% of your offense.

[gonzo1105]

The road to the 1 seed is going to come down to the Bills and Ravens/Bengals. Can’t see the Titans maintaining without Henry. 
 

The West is gonna cannibalize itself and we’re seeing the Chargers aren’t as good as believed 

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

 Titans second leading rusher has 38 yards on the season.

So what?  They never hand the ball off to anyone else…we already knew that.

[Tenhigh]

Just now, mannc said:

Yeah, I mean, how will the Titans replace those 28 carries for 68 yards that Henry had yesterday against Indy?

You don't think teams have to play a completely different style of defense when Henry on the field? 

[Captain Hindsight]

18 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

If he is out for the year.....  Titans will have to change their entire Offense.

 

 

Did they hand the ball off to those guys by accident? 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Tenhigh said:

I agree they probably win that division, but that's not saying much, and the Colts aren't as bad as their record shows, and wouldn't be surprised if they made a run.  But to the folks who think losing Henry isn't as impactful as losing a franchise QB, I think you're going to remember just how average a Tannehill led offense is without him.  We've seen it, he was essentially considered mediocre until he got paired with DH.   Usually a RB complements a franchise QB's skillset, but it's the opposite in Tennessee.   

 

The Colts are just good enough to lose close games. They are 3 games behind the Titans at the halfway point and they have been swept by then. They would have to make up 4 games the rest of the way. I just don't see that. 

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Yeah, I mean, how will the Titans replace those 28 carries for 68 yards that Henry had yesterday against Indy?

lol.  Yeah, It's that simple.  Not like his presence alone dictates the entire defensive scheme or anything...

[mannc]

Just now, Freddie's Dead said:

Without Henry, the Titians are in big trouble.  You can't just replace 80% of your offense.

You mean like yesterday, when they beat the Colts on the road, and Henry amassed 68 yards on 28 carries?

[Doc]

Sucks.  I would rather the Bills face the Titans with hi...wait, no, no I wouldn't.

[Doc]

Just now, Gene1973 said:

36%

 

LOL!  He's the key to their offense.  Teams have to be mostly concerned with the run, which opens up the passing game.

[Freddie's Dead]

Just now, Gene1973 said:

36%

 

Don't confuse me with facts.  That's still more than 1/3 of the team.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said:

The road to the 1 seed is going to come down to the Bills and Ravens/Bengals. Can’t see the Titans maintaining without Henry. 
 

The West is gonna cannibalize itself and we’re seeing the Chargers aren’t as good as believed 

 

The Bengals? Nah. They are a year away from that kinda thing IMO. Honestly the bills should be the #1 seed. The only thing stopping everyone from accepting that is the fear of failing to meet expectations. The Bills are the best team in the AFC. Tennessee are one of the worst matchups for the Bills because of Henry and if he is out I'd take Buffalo 9/10 against them. 

[Tenhigh]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The Colts are just good enough to lose close games. They are 3 games behind the Titans at the halfway point and they have been swept by then. They would have to make up 4 games the rest of the way. I just don't see that. 

Unlikely, yes, but not out of the realm of possibility.