Dr. Who Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, Greg S said: I am surprised the Steelers aren't in on this. They need a QB worse than the Fins. I don't know what they could offer trade wise but my guess is this is Ben's last year. And they already have experience dealing with a qb saddled with a history of unsavory character issues, too😈 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Greg S said: I am surprised the Steelers aren't in on this. They need a QB worse than the Fins. I don't know what they could offer trade wise but my guess is this is Ben's last year. i think they have no assets and no cap room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, GunnerBill said: They can't suspend him now. Not until something materially changes in his legal case. They should have suspended him before the season. League have messed up. From what I understood they can't suspend him while his case is active. They could easily put him on the Exempt List still. All they have to say is they "became aware of new facts". Not that the NFL would ever be leas than transparent with something 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: They can't suspend him now. Not until something materially changes in his legal case. They should have suspended him before the season. League have messed up. Ehhhhhh, Idk GB. I think the league would suspend him or at least put him on the Commissioner's Exempt list. Either way, I don't think he plays until the legal stuff is over and his suspension that is coming will be levied. And that's if he ever plays again at all imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Still don't think Watson plays this year. If Fish do this I think it's because they believe things will get resolved by the offseason and they'll have him to begin 2022. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: i think they have no assets and no cap room. That would explain it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said: WFT being interested makes perfect sense. Tua as your starter….Fitzpatrick as the closer. 🤣 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 According to Aaron Wilson, "Nothing done yet, though, and other moving parts involved." * I thought by now Watson would learn to control those moving parts. 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, mannc said: It’s an unprecedented situation. My guess is that the league steps in and kills the trade, at least until Watson’s fate is determined. But wouldn’t the teams involved check with the league first, before they make a deal? On what basis would they do that? Legally the League has to follow its own rules. Once it decides things for expedience it gets itself in trouble in the courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: They can't suspend him now. Not until something materially changes in his legal case. They should have suspended him before the season. League have messed up. I don't see this at all. The League is like the question of where the 2,000 pound polar bear sits? (Anywhere it wants). That said, IMO: the league isn't going to actually suspend Watson until the legal action is resolved. Plenty of precedent for the league waiting for legal matters to play out before taking action. On the other hand, the league has an action available to them - putting Watson on the commissioner's Exempt list PENDING resolution of the legal matters, in which case, the team which has Watson on the roster gets to pay him, but can't play him. The league has no reason to take that action while Watson is being paid and not playing for the Texans. But once he's traded and his new team wants to play him, if there's enough outrage I bet that's just where he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Cant have poor drafting if you trade away all your draft picks for a rapist the owner loves. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 27 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I suspect all this chatter is being leaked by the Texans to try to drum up the market. This would not be shocking. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: From what I understood they can't suspend him while his case is active. They could easily put him on the Exempt List still. All they have to say is they "became aware of new facts". Not that the NFL would ever be leas than transparent with something 🤣 They would have to say that, correct. And then if Watson's side or Houston or Miami challenged they'd have to justify that in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, GunnerBill said: On what basis would they do that? Kill the trade? Well, rumor has it that when the trade was discussed previously, the trade partner wanted contingencies in the trade. Anything unusual like that, I believe the League would have to approve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, eball said: Still don't think Watson plays this year. If Fish do this I think it's because they believe things will get resolved by the offseason and they'll have him to begin 2022. Based on the number of accusations, and the way that major players have distanced themselves from similar situations with entertainers, it would surprised me if the NFL allowed him to play this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't see this at all. The League is like the question of where the 2,000 pound polar bear sits? (Anywhere it wants). That said, IMO: the league isn't going to actually suspend Watson until the legal action is resolved. Plenty of precedent for the league waiting for legal matters to play out before taking action. On the other hand, the league has an action available to them - putting Watson on the commissioner's Exempt list PENDING resolution of the legal matters, in which case, the team which has Watson on the roster gets to pay him, but can't play him. The league has no reason to take that action while Watson is being paid and not playing for the Texans. But once he's traded and his new team wants to play him, if there's enough outrage I bet that's just where he goes. They HAD that option. They can't do that now without a material change in the legal situation without being vulnerable to a legal challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, eball said: Still don't think Watson plays this year. If Fish do this I think it's because they believe things will get resolved by the offseason and they'll have him to begin 2022. I mean if they make the trade with that in mind they're basically giving up this season feels pretty early for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, eball said: Still don't think Watson plays this year. If Fish do this I think it's because they believe things will get resolved by the offseason and they'll have him to begin 2022. Then where does Tua go? Steelers, Packers if Rodgers leaves, Seahawks if Wilson leaves, Saints as Winston isn't a long term answer. A lot of possibilities if this trade happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, BuffaloBill said: This would not be shocking. If you notice, all the reports are coming from Houston reporters. I wonder if the real target here could be Philly, or to at least drive the price up and force Miami to close the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, GunnerBill said: On what basis would they do that? Legally the League has to follow its own rules. Once it decides things for expedience it gets itself in trouble in the courts. I don't know the answer to your question, but I do believe the league has to approve all trades. I'm not sure what criteria they use ("for the good of the league"?) or whether their ability to approve/disapprove is limited in some way. I seem to recall the league stepping in a voiding a trade or two in the past, but I can't remember specifics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 28 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Can anyone decipher WTF this means? Team and player-wise, that is... It means the Eagles might have 3 top 15 picks to send them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: How funny would it be if Grier made the trade and they still fired him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, JohnNord said: Based on the number of accusations, and the way that major players have distanced themselves from similar situations with entertainers, it would surprised me if the NFL allowed him to play this year agreed. But given all the bad actors that keep getting many chances in the NFL, he will be back next year for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: Kill the trade? Well, rumor has it that when the trade was discussed previously, the trade partner wanted contingencies in the trade. Anything unusual like that, I believe the League would have to approve. Again though, they need a basis, under their own rules or it could end up in court. The league can do whatever it wants as long as it is in accordance with its own rules. Once it takes steps outside of that it becomes vulnerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 39 minutes ago, mannc said: Texans play the Phins on Nov 7. No way the Texans trade him to Miami before that. No way they trade him after Nov 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, mannc said: I don't know the answer to your question, but I do believe the league has to approve all trades. I'm not sure what criteria they use ("for the good of the league"?) or whether their ability to approve/disapprove is limited in some way. I seem to recall the league stepping in a voiding a trade or two in the past, but I can't remember specifics. It was when trades breached league rules. If this one doesn't I am not sure it has any authority under its own rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: And they already have experience dealing with a qb saddled with a history of unsavory character issues, too😈 New tradition in Pittsburgh - Starting QB’s with high dollar court settlements 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Hope he winds up in the NFC, but couldn't blame Miami for swinging for the fences. It's their only move at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Personally, I'd love to see the Dolphins trade a ton of draft picks for Watson. I think it would tank their franchise for the foreseeable future. Watson is a very good quarterback, but he's not good enough to turn a crappy team into a playoff team. I also believe that Watson is never going to be the same player after this...it's going to be a massive distraction and he's going to be the focus of protests, jokes, innuendo, etc...This is the guy you're going to make the face of your franchise? Really? There also may be drama surrounding Tua, but I suppose he would just go to Houston as part of the trade. I just can't see this ending well for the Dolphins... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 47 minutes ago, mannc said: Texans play the Phins on Nov 7. No way the Texans trade him to Miami before that. Why? Are they worried about playoff seeding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: agreed. But given all the bad actors that keep getting many chances in the NFL, he will be back next year for sure. Probably…it all depends if/when he settles the civil cases and whatever the hell is happening with the grand jury. Lets just say he settles and doesn’t get criminal charges. The suspension is going to be interesting given the current climate and empathy to these incident. We aren’t taking about 1 high profile sexual assault accusation. It’s 20+. I think he’ll miss more than the typical 4 game suspension. So…best case scenario they might be looking at is 6 games into 2022. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, Captain Hindsight said: Why? Are they worried about playoff seeding? It would be a spectacle that they would probably like to avoid, especially if Watson throws for five TDs against them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I seriously doubt Watson sees the field at all this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Makes Miami much better in 2022 if it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, mannc said: It would be a spectacle that they would probably like to avoid, especially if Watson throws for five TDs against them... If HOU was worried about being embarrassed this year they wouldnt have hired Cully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Makes Miami much better in 2022 if it happens. I'm skeptical that Watson ever returns to his previous form, but Watson to Waddle is definitely something to be concerned about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, mannc said: I'm skeptical that Watson ever returns to his previous form, but Watson to Waddle is definitely something to be concerned about... Why? Lol. He didn't get hurt or anything. Edited October 20, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Why? Lol. Because I think Jalen Waddle is going to be a problem, even though he's off to kind of a rough start... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) Edited October 20, 2021 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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