Josh Allen 2022 season verdict... OC & DC let him down: 64.5% comp %, 51 TDs, 18 TOs, 97.9 Passer Rating, 313 YPG (offseason assessments page 46 on)

[JohnBonhamRocks]

A frontrunner currently? Not quite.

 

Going into Thanksgiving after playing Miami, Jax, New Jersey, & Indy? 

[transplantbillsfan]

12 hours ago, Bangarang said:

He’s certainly in the conversation but to say he’s the front runner is probably not true. 

 

Didn't say he was the frontrunner 

[transplantbillsfan]

11 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

If Lamar keeps playing the way he has recently, he's your winner. I'm not sure Kyler can keep it up.

 

Does everyone saying Lamar should be MVP watch him?

 

He's not bad, but he's had 1 great game against a bad team that nearly won. He had a game against a now 0-6 team his HOF kicker bailed him out against. He's had 2 games where he's had more Turnovers than TDs. And the first time his team dominated another good team this season it was really all about Baltimore's D, not him.

 

And I also have to say that as much as we all want to see Allen fix his fumbling issues, Jackson has much further to go in doing that.

11 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

MVP?  Please.  JA brought us back, but he cost us the game when he missed Diggs in the EZ and we had to settle for a FG.  Also failed to get the first down we needed at the end.  Don't get me wrong, I love JA, but let's stop with the MVP talk.  We're 4-2 and just gave the Titians the tie breaker.

 

So... 2 plays are your entire argument?

Edited October 19, 2021 by transplantbillsfan

[GoBills808]

12 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Tier I (1-6) 

1 - Kyler Murray (6-0) 

2 - Lamar Jackson (5-1) 

3 - Tom Brady (5-1) 

4 - Dak Prescott (5-1) 

5 - Matthew Stafford (5-1) 

6 - Aaron Rodgers (5-1) 

 

Tier II (7-10)

7 - Derrick Henry (4-2) 

8 - Josh Allen (4-2) 

9 - Justin Herbert (4-2) 

10 -  Derek Carr (4-2) 

Not according to any book rn

[transplantbillsfan]

5 hours ago, FireChans said:

So then how was it the wrong call bruh?

 

Oh I see... you're trying desperately to win an argument of semantics by not considering the need to immediately run the play as opposed to calling a timeout and giving the D time to prepare.

 

The whole point is catching the D off guard when running those QB sneaks and running the play right away. That's how Brady has always done it.

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Oh I see... you're trying desperately to win an argument of semantics by not considering the need to immediately run the play as opposed to calling a timeout and giving the D time to prepare.

 

The whole point is catching the D off guard when running those QB sneaks and running the play right away. That's how Brady has always done it.

Daboll didn’t call timeout bruh.

[transplantbillsfan]

24 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Daboll didn’t call timeout bruh.

 

Are you being intentionally obstinate or are you really just this dense?

[Freddie's Dead]

38 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

So... 2 plays are your entire argument?

 

In a game that close, we needed Josh to make 1 more play.  He missed Diggs for a wide open TD, and he missed getting the first down twice (3 plays).  I'm sure there are others he didn't make that impacted the final outcome, but I just picked the three I felt were the clearest and closest examples.  Josh Allen MVP talk after such a brutal loss just triggered me.  Is my judgement harsh?  Perhaps.  Fair?  I think so, given that Josh is by far the highest paid player on the team.  He has to make at least one of those plays, especially when his OL and DL is getting pwned.

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Are you being intentionally obstinate or are you really just this dense?

It was a bad Daboll playcall, even though you call a sneak 10/10 times there, because someone else called a timeout, and it wasn’t even Daboll’s playcall. This is you. 

 

Get Dabs name of your lips. Show some respect.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

It was a bad Daboll playcall, even though you call a sneak 10/10 times there, because someone else called a timeout, and it wasn’t even Daboll’s playcall. This is you. 

 

Get Dabs name of your lips. Show some respect.

 

Got it... you're just dense. Thanks for clearing that up

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

14 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Henry 

Brady

Murray

 

 

Everyone else however the hell you want to rank them.   

 

Lol Lamar.  66 yard field goal from not even mentioning him.   

66 yard fg that never should've even happened...refs missed the most obvious delay of game of all time the play before that 

58 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

In a game that close, we needed Josh to make 1 more play.  He missed Diggs for a wide open TD, and he missed getting the first down twice (3 plays).  I'm sure there are others he didn't make that impacted the final outcome, but I just picked the three I felt were the clearest and closest examples.  Josh Allen MVP talk after such a brutal loss just triggered me.  Is my judgement harsh?  Perhaps.  Fair?  I think so, given that Josh is by far the highest paid player on the team.  He has to make at least one of those plays, especially when his OL and DL is getting pwned.

People keep going on about guys that are wide open either after josh has thrown the ball to someone else or after he has rolled to the other side of the field or after he has already scrambled past the line of scrimmage...I think mostly because the commentators were absolute fools last night 🤣 I do remember them saying ohhhhh this guy was wide open and it being one of those situations quite a few times.

[transplantbillsfan]

https://theathletic.com/news/dak-prescott-kyler-murray-tied-for-no-1-in-nfl-2021-mvp-odds-via-betmgm/uQPsVTAdQg1d/

Vegas seems to think Allen is just behind Dak and Kyler.

[Motor26]

1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

https://theathletic.com/news/dak-prescott-kyler-murray-tied-for-no-1-in-nfl-2021-mvp-odds-via-betmgm/uQPsVTAdQg1d/

Vegas seems to think Allen is just behind Dak and Kyler.

Yupp. And before the game he was the favorite. He gets that 1st down and then a TD and he remains the favorite. Oh well, he’ll clean up the next 3 games, besides, MVP award would be great and all but the Super Bowl is the prize.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

13 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Henry beat Allen and is the top RB in league by far. Is he not the definition of an MVP?

How could an offensive player on one team 'beat' an offensive player on another team 🤣 in fact...I think your logic is completely backwards and further cemented Josh as a true mvp in that loss.  Dude was the whole team the defense couldn't get a stop and the offensive line couldn't block for almost the entire game and we still were a few inches from getting the win.  

2 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

Yupp. And before the game he was the favorite. He gets that 1st down and then a TD and he remains the favorite. Oh well, he’ll clean up the next 3 games, besides, MVP award would be great and all but the Super Bowl is the prize.

I would def agree with this...people seem to think mvp is find the best team and pick the best player on it but that's not at all what an mvp is lol dak and Kyler have very similar 'these two guys carry the team' vibes to Josh 

Edited October 19, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Beast]

Overall a very solid night by Allen. That performance should win a football game.

[Motor26]

20 minutes ago, RosseauDaGawd said:

He played above himself last year, easy schedule. We still have such an easy schedule that he could do well, but he is definitely overrated by the media/fans.

Ummmm…no, he’s not overrated by anyone. He’s underrated by the media by how little coverage he gets compared to Mahoney, and Dak. And fans on this site after 2 weeks were questioning if he was even good. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

will this go as well as the other thread?

 

Allen probably won't ever be the best deep ball thrower in the league

 

Next Gen Stats' top 10 deep passers of 2020: Aaron Rodgers lands at No. 4

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nfl.com/_amp/next-gen-stats-top-10-deep-passers-of-2020-aaron-rodgers-lands-at-no-4

 

 

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Let's get to the top 10.

Rank. 10

Josh Allen

Deep attempts: 26-of-64, 771 yards,

9:3 TD-to-INT ratio, 106.2 passer rating

Comp: 40.6%

xComp: 33.5%

CPOE: +7.1%

 

 

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All right Bills fans, put away your torches and pitchforks. Your newfound king has finally received his recognition on this list.

 

Edited October 19, 2021 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[benderbender]

Allen is back to hero ball and MVPs don’t play that game. They take what the defense gives them. He’s got two weeks to

 

[transplantbillsfan]

7 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Thanks captain obvious 

 

I had no idea 

 

Hmmm... this was a pretty useless post.

 

2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

will this go as well as the other thread?

 

Allen probably won't ever be the best deep ball thrower in the league

 

Next Gen Stats' top 10 deep passers of 2020: Aaron Rodgers lands at No. 4

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nfl.com/_amp/next-gen-stats-top-10-deep-passers-of-2020-aaron-rodgers-lands-at-no-4

 

 

 

 

 

I see he's #10. Was that supposed to debunk something I said? If so, do you have a medical problem where you can't see zeros and you actually thought he was #1?

 

I wonder if you actually read that post.

 

 

Also, based on these pretty useless posts, I think it's important for you to go see a therapist regarding your severe insecurity over your online persona.

[transplantbillsfan]

Anyone else wonder why we bother running the ball sometimes?

 

Solid game by Josh. It seemed clear our OL was a lesser version of itself without Brown at RT. Sloppy 1st half but the team looked much stronger in the 2nd.

 

Love the focus on getting Beasley the ball. 

 

Anyone else impressed that for what appeared to be an average game for Allen still had him with over 300 total yards, 3 TDs and 0 turnovers?

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Anyone else wonder why we bother running the ball sometimes?

 

Solid game by Josh. It seemed clear our OL was a lesser version of itself without Brown at RT. Sloppy 1st half but the team looked much stronger in the 2nd.

 

Love the focus on getting Beasley the ball. 

 

Anyone else impressed that for what appeared to be an average game for Allen still had him with over 300 total yards, 3 TDs and 0 turnovers?

 

I was impressed that what I would have called overall an average game for Josh was again a match winning performance because he makes great plays even when he isn't playing great if that makes sense? The two touchdown passes were both exceptional for different reasons. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

10 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Anyone else wonder why we bother running the ball sometimes?

 

Solid game by Josh. It seemed clear our OL was a lesser version of itself without Brown at RT. Sloppy 1st half but the team looked much stronger in the 2nd.

 

Love the focus on getting Beasley the ball. 

 

Anyone else impressed that for what appeared to be an average game for Allen still had him with over 300 total yards, 3 TDs and 0 turnovers?

I think that was an above average game by Allen again…we played some nice complimentary football for a few weeks but we’re back to the josh Allen carrying the offensive unit show lol 

3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

I really don't think he's in the MVP race at this point in time. Will need to finish the season out as the best QB in the league to get it, and that doesn't seem too likely.

He’s probably back to being pretty close to the betting favorite again imo…remember we’re a game behind a lot of teams if you’re just looking at stat sheets. He just has too many outrageous highlights to not be in the conversation. By definition he is the mvp in my eyes…our offensive line has been dreadful most of the season. Someone like dak has a stout oline and a running game to support him. The bills offense has been the josh does everything show 

Edited October 31, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Doc]

Individual accolades are great, but I just rather he play at an MVP level.  Considering how poor the offensive line was today, his performance is even more noteworthy.

[GoBills808]

It’s hard to overstate how much he’s able to do with how poorly the offensive line performs

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

So many fans were happy the Bills brought back those O-linemen in the offseason, I was hoping for upgrades...

 

I was happy they brought back Daryl Williams and kept Morse. Wasn’t so enthused about keeping Feliciano/not doing anything at OG. 

[Punching Bag]

58 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Anyone else wonder why we bother running the ball sometimes?

 

Solid game by Josh. It seemed clear our OL was a lesser version of itself without Brown at RT. Sloppy 1st half but the team looked much stronger in the 2nd.

 

Love the focus on getting Beasley the ball. 

 

Anyone else impressed that for what appeared to be an average game for Allen still had him with over 300 total yards, 3 TDs and 0 turnovers?

 

Focusing on Beasley and other players made sense with Miami Sharks having 2 very good CBs.

[LeGOATski]

54 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

I really don't think he's in the MVP race at this point in time. Will need to finish the season out as the best QB in the league to get it, and that doesn't seem too likely.

He was 2nd in votes last year. He's doing the same stuff this year. He is the offense for one of the best teams in the league.

 

He is absolutely in the race.

[BruceVilanch]

4 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

He was 2nd in votes last year. He's doing the same stuff this year. He is the offense for one of the best teams in the league.

 

He is absolutely in the race.

It's Gene, just leave him with his dumb thoughts.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

51 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

It’s hard to overstate how much he’s able to do with how poorly the offensive line performs

Exactly…these were the type of games we were losing by 20 last year 

[JoPoy88]

Josh is playing fine. I think he’s one of the best QBs in the league. But if they voted for MVP today, he wouldn’t finish in the top three. Not saying that’s right, it just is what it is.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

He's not doing what he did last year, also there are more QB's doing more than him this year as opposed to last. He will need to go crazy as the season closes to win it. The Bills O-line probably isn't up to the task for this to happen.

How does the bills oline have anything to do with josh being mvp…it’s not a ‘who has the best stats’ award. In fact josh being successful with a travesty of an offensive line improves his case. He’s been better than last year 

Not to mention two of the competing guys Herbert and Brady have looked very mediocre today 

Edited October 31, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[thenorthremembers]

Best statistical QB or not, the guy is the most valuable player to his team.   He makes up for the lack of O-Line, and lack of run game big time.  The guy literally wills the team a long.

[Dukestreetking]

I'll eschew MVP comments for moment (too early). But:

 

QB TTD-TO ratios are, generally speaking, way underrated; imo, due to fantasy dominance/interest.

 

Now, look at JA: 20/4.

 

Per statsmuse, 0.57/game this year; rookie year 1.17, last year 1.0. And, btw, only 8 sacks, behind an avg at best OL.

 

Bottom line: this is ridiculous improvement AND top tier performance.

 

Esp in light of his offensive burden, and the supposed last knock on him (ball security).

 

I would never have imagined this 5 yrs ago. I don't know about MVP this minute, but he'll win multiple SBs/MVPs during his career.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

It's not supposed to be, but that's usually what it is.

You could be right….I like to think it’s not and the guy with the best stats just happens to be the most valuable usually but who really knows what goes through those peoples heads lol

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Dukestreetking said:

I'll eschew MVP comments for moment (too early). But:

 

QB TTD-TO ratios are, generally speaking, way underrated; imo, due to fantasy dominance/interest.

 

Now, look at JA: 20/4.

 

Per statsmuse, 0.57/game this year; rookie year 1.17, last year 1.0. And, btw, only 8 sacks, behind an avg at best OL.

 

Bottom line: this is ridiculous improvement AND top tier performance.

 

Esp in light of his offensive burden, and the supposed last knock on him (ball security).

 

I would never have imagined this 5 yrs ago. I don't know about MVP this minute, but he'll win multiple SBs/MVPs during his career.

You watched him in college?  Heck I wouldn’t have imagined this prior to last season.

[LeGOATski]

11 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

He's not doing what he did last year, also there are more QB's doing more than him this year as opposed to last. He will need to go crazy as the season closes to win it. The Bills O-line probably isn't up to the task for this to happen.

Yeah, okey dokey

 

Through 6 games:

2021 - 64%, 17 TDs, 1723 pass yds, 214 rush yds

2020 - 66%, 19 TDs, 1711 pass yds, 143 rush yds

 

He's doing the same things.

[BBills88]

3 minutes ago, Dukestreetking said:

I'll eschew MVP comments for moment (too early). But:

 

QB TTD-TO ratios are, generally speaking, way underrated; imo, due to fantasy dominance/interest.

 

Now, look at JA: 20/4.

 

Per statsmuse, 0.57/game this year; rookie year 1.17, last year 1.0. And, btw, only 8 sacks, behind an avg at best OL.

 

Bottom line: this is ridiculous improvement AND top tier performance.

 

Esp in light of his offensive burden, and the supposed last knock on him (ball security).

 

I would never have imagined this 5 yrs ago. I don't know about MVP this minute, but he'll win multiple SBs/MVPs during his career.

Having more SB MVP's is better than regular season MVP's. I rather Josh Allen as a Buffalo Bill have 4 - 6 Superbowl MVP trophies

[Dukestreetking]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

You watched him in college?  Heck I wouldn’t have imagined this prior to last season.

I should've been more clear...I mean I couldn't have imagined this, in light of the QB play in the drought years.

 

His high level performance is now "normalized" in my brain.

[Big Blitz]

24 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Josh is playing fine. I think he’s one of the best QBs in the league. But if they voted for MVP today, he wouldn’t finish in the top three. Not saying that’s right, it just is what it is.

 

 

Henry 

Brady

Kupp

Murray

Allen

 

 

Top 5

 

Edited October 31, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Hebert19]

Honestly as of right now he Henry and Brady are only choices.  Pass on the Stafford or Murray discussion.