BisonMan Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) “Punching out” the ball is a key strategy for today’s NFL defenses. TJ Watt took it to another level last night. How many hands do you have to throw at a ball carrier before it’s “unsportsmanlike” or just plain assault? Edited October 18, 2021 by BisonMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) I just want to know how he got away with wearing his brother's jersey. Edited October 18, 2021 by Warcodered 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 I remember TJ doing this to Josh, on one of his scrambles last year. He missed the ball completely and hit Josh in the gut/chest. Josh just glared at him like WTF was that? I think it should be a penalty if the defensive player misses the ball and punches the player. Oh, and screw TJ Watt. Let's go Buffalo! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JoPoy88 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, BisonMan said: “Punching out” the ball is a key strategy for today’s NFL defenses. JJ Watt took it to another level last night. How many hands do you have to throw at a ball carrier before it’s “unsportsmanlike” or just plain assault? TJ not JJ. And if the intent is clear enough that he was going for the ball I don’t see why they would ever flag that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bad Things said: I remember TJ doing this to Josh, on one of his scrambles last year. He missed the ball completely and hit Josh in the gut/chest. Josh just glared at him like WTF was that? I think it should be a penalty if the defensive player misses the ball and punches the player. Oh, and screw TJ Watt. Let's go Buffalo! It is a penalty. But it's also smart to try to punch the ball out. Just can't miss and hit people. Just now, JoPoy88 said: TJ not JJ. And if the intent is clear enough that he was going for the ball I don’t see why they would ever flag that. If you miss bad enough and punch someone, the intent doesn't matter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) You miss the ball.... with a punch? Ejection. My view of him has completely gone downhill. Classless. Edited October 18, 2021 by nedboy7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 He got penalized for it. As he should have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonMan Posted October 18, 2021 Author Share Posted October 18, 2021 20 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I just want to know how he got away with wearing his brother's jersey. Ugh. Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, MJS said: If you miss bad enough and punch someone, the intent doesn't matter. Good point - if you miss so badly you blast the guy in the head (for example), the flag is coming no matter what, as it should. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonMan Posted October 18, 2021 Author Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: You miss the ball.... with a punch? Ejection. My view of him has completely gone downhill. Classless. Does throwing a bunch get you automatically ejected now? If so, I agree. If you miss the ball and hit the player, you’re history. He then should have been ejected. By just flagging him for 15, the refs seemed to be measuring “intent”, which I don’t agree with. Edited October 18, 2021 by BisonMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 25 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: You miss the ball.... with a punch? Ejection. My view of him has completely gone downhill. Classless. by that standard, quite a few Bills defenders are also lacking “class” as you put it. Punching the ball out is taught by coaches all over the league. If you screw up and hit the guy in the head or something and get flagged that’s on you, but hard for me to accuse the defender of being classless. They’re trying to make a play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 41 minutes ago, BisonMan said: “Punching out” the ball is a key strategy for today’s NFL defenses. TJ Watt took it to another level last night. How many hands do you have to throw at a ball carrier before it’s “unsportsmanlike” or just plain assault? He has been doing that and getting away with it since at least last year. Dude hit at least 3 guys in the nads last season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: by that standard, quite a few Bills defenders are also lacking “class” as you put it. Punching the ball out is taught by coaches all over the league. If you screw up and hit the guy in the head or something and get flagged that’s on you, but hard for me to accuse the defender of being classless. They’re trying to make a play. Idk... I think what is typically taught is punching at the ball while tackling. Its usually a single punch while wrapping your arms on the ball carrier. TJ took it too an entire new level and wasn't even trying to tackle. It didn't even look like he had a clear shot at punching. He was just throwing haymakers there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 34 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: TJ not JJ. And if the intent is clear enough that he was going for the ball I don’t see why they would ever flag that. Are you daft? Or, being sarcastic? I mean, you can't punch another player period. If you could, imagine all the abuse that would happen. Players would always be "punching the ball" and hitting the other player on accident. Watt should have been tossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 45 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said: Ball is out! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 50 minutes ago, Bad Things said: I remember TJ doing this to Josh, on one of his scrambles last year. He missed the ball completely and hit Josh in the gut/chest. Josh just glared at him like WTF was that? I think it should be a penalty if the defensive player misses the ball and punches the player. Oh, and screw TJ Watt. Let's go Buffalo! I was going to post this. Not sure it was last year, might have been 2019. I didn't even think he was going for the ball, I think he was using that as an excuse to punch Josh. There's also this from 2019, where he punched Sam Darnold right in the nuts IMHO they should flag him for it, he's not just going for the ball, he has a pattern of punching the players. 16 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: by that standard, quite a few Bills defenders are also lacking “class” as you put it. Punching the ball out is taught by coaches all over the league. If you screw up and hit the guy in the head or something and get flagged that’s on you, but hard for me to accuse the defender of being classless. They’re trying to make a play. Punching the ball out is legit, and if you're really trying for the ball and miss OK, but Watt has been punching the players, not the ball. His first hit was right into the chest. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 57 minutes ago, Bad Things said: I remember TJ doing this to Josh, on one of his scrambles last year. He missed the ball completely and hit Josh in the gut/chest. Josh just glared at him like WTF was that? I think it should be a penalty if the defensive player misses the ball and punches the player. Oh, and screw TJ Watt. Let's go Buffalo! It is a foul if the ref deems his intention was to hit the player, or if he just blatantly misses the ball. He was over the top last night. I get the peanut punch, but that’s regoshdarn diculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 38 minutes ago, BisonMan said: Does throwing a bunch get you automatically ejected now? If so, I agree. If you miss the ball and hit the player, you’re history. He then should have been ejected. Lets just give refs more ammo to eject a bills defensive player when he misses the ball with a swing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 59 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: TJ not JJ. And if the intent is clear enough that he was going for the ball I don’t see why they would ever flag that. I hear what you are saying and you make a valid point...but to be Devil's advocate, what if a player is legitimately trying to knock a pass down and hit the QB's facemask? 15 yards right there. To me, being punched in the gut or arm doesn't feel any less painful because it was on accident. Edited October 18, 2021 by Beast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 The Watts can do what they want as long as it's not to our team and Josh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Just part of his ongoing ‘roid rage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 58 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Good point - if you miss so badly you blast the guy in the head (for example), the flag is coming no matter what, as it should. I'd be trying to put my helmet in there to break his hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 54 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: He has been doing that and getting away with it since at least last year. Dude hit at least 3 guys in the nads last season. Who says he missed his target 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Who says he missed his target Honestly I don't believe he does. I believe his goal isn't just to knock the ball loose but to beat up and wear people down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Watt should be suspended for the forearms to the head last night. He wasn't going for the ball. The hit to gut he may have been, but the 2 forearms he was not. Pittsburgh has been dirty for years, but always play it off as "being physical." Hines Ward is the dirtiest WR I have ever seem, and James Harrison is close with Burfict for the dirtiest player I've seen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 41 minutes ago, Beast said: I hear what you are saying and you make a valid point...but to be Devil's advocate, what if a player is legitimately trying to knock a pass down and hit the QB's facemask? 15 yards right there. To me, being punched in the gut or arm doesn't feel any less painful because it was on accident. Agreed I had to clarify that - I was more thinking of a slight miss, where a guy goes for the ball and gets the ballcarrier’s elbow for example. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Paulus said: Are you daft? Or, being sarcastic? I mean, you can't punch another player period. If you could, imagine all the abuse that would happen. Players would always be "punching the ball" and hitting the other player on accident. Watt should have been tossed. We’re talking about two different things. If Watt has been pushing that line, as @Hapless Bills Fan and others have claimed, then he should be flagged/fined, even suspended if he does it enough. I was more just speaking about the technique (punching the ball out) more generally. It’s taught and used by many, if not all teams. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. I don’t think anyone that does it is “classless” or a “scumbag” as others have said. TJ Watt may be though. He’s aware he’s going to get more leeway from the refs given his rep and accomplishments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 hours ago, BisonMan said: “Punching out” the ball is a key strategy for today’s NFL defenses. TJ Watt took it to another level last night. How many hands do you have to throw at a ball carrier before it’s “unsportsmanlike” or just plain assault? That’s ridiculous but at the same time the whistle had not blown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: We’re talking about two different things. If Watt has been pushing that line, as @Hapless Bills Fan and others have claimed, then he should be flagged/fined, even suspended if he does it enough. I was more just speaking about the technique (punching the ball out) more generally. It’s taught and used by many, if not all teams. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. I don’t think anyone that does it is “classless” or a “scumbag” as others have said. TJ Watt may be though. He’s aware he’s going to get more leeway from the refs given his rep and accomplishments. I agree, in that case. I just hate the Stealers, and dirty teams in general. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Yet the league wants to crackdown on taunting to prevent fighting🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: by that standard, quite a few Bills defenders are also lacking “class” as you put it. Punching the ball out is taught by coaches all over the league. If you screw up and hit the guy in the head or something and get flagged that’s on you, but hard for me to accuse the defender of being classless. They’re trying to make a play. Really? In that replay you saw him going for the ball? Not really. He is swinging like a moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 It’s like in basketball. If you get all ball it’s a good play. If you hit the player, it’s a foul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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