"If Allen Plays Like Crap This Week, Accept that He's Simply Not Good

[Mat68]

22 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Agree, if Allen plays like crap again this week there are no more excuses. It will be time to accept that he's simply not good and behind closed doors in Orchard Park there will be serious buyers remorse knowing that he had a fluke year during the weird fanless covid year.

 

Washington has a good dline and but has struggled mightily overall and is lucky to be 1-1 right now. And even if they were a top defense Allen played extremely well against many top 10 defenses last year and has to show that again given his contract. Really hope he can turn it around and come out firing.

Hey Nick Wright joined the forum.  

[Boatdrinks]

While it’s apparent to any Bills fan that Allen’s play has been “ off” so far, it’s just going to be a lot tougher to achieve that “ breakout” type performance level the following year. Defensive coordinators have devoted their offseason to stopping Allen. Swap out one of the main WRs,  throw in some sub-par play from an OL that was previously reliable and well......See where this is going ? Anyone assuming the Bills offense would simply continue their best team performance in decades was guilty of serious wishful thinking. Sure, the Bills have Diggs and that’s something. However, they don’t have two darn near unstoppable , uncoverable weapons such as Kelce and Hill. Daboll certainly has his work cut out for him, as defenses have taken things away for a string of games now when the playoffs are thrown in there. Allen has seemed to revert back to some of his previous poor mechanics. He’s worked it out before, but it appears he must do it again. A lot of this consternation from fans is magnified by the contract extension. I wouldn’t have hated if the Bills had held off on that, as I’d prefer to see two excellent seasons as opposed to a good one followed by a great one. That’s the decision they made, and we can’t change it. Two games into 2021 has given fans a reason for some concern, but it’s just way too early to write the book on Allen’s career. There’s a long, long way to go. 

[CincyBillsFan]

I couldn't help myself so I looked at 1989, a playoff year but also the year of the Bickering Bills!  This was Kelly's 4th year in the NFL (6th year in the pros with the USFL) and followed 1988's AFC Championship game loss. And again, Jim Kelly is the greatest QB in Bills history and he's in the HOF - enough said:

 

So here we go:

 

Game 2:  Denver 28 Bills 14.  Kelly was 26/44 for 298 yards, 3 INT's and 1 TD pass.

Game 5:  Colts 37 Bill 14.  Kelly was hurt in this game.  But before his injury he was 20/32 for 216 yards, 3 INT's and 1 TD pass.

 

Kelly came back after a few weeks and had some good games but then a bad late season slump:

 

Game 13:  Seattle 17 Bills 16.  Kelly was 10/23 for 144 yards, 1 INT & 1 TD pass.

Game 14:  NO 22 Bills 19.  Kelly was 17/35 for 211 yards, 3 INT's & 2 TD passes.

Game 15: SF 21 Bills 10.  Kelly was 26/42 for 265 yards, 3 INT's & no TD passes.

 

And remember that 1991 AFC Championship game against he Denver Broncos as we were heading to our 2nd straight SB?  You know the perfect weather day at Rich Stadium?  The Bills won that game 10 - 7 without scoring an offensive TD.

 

Kelly was 13/25 for for 117 yards, 2 INT's and no TD passes.

 

After seeing this, and I haven't even looked at a fraction of the games played between 1988 - 1993, I'll worry about Allen if at the end of NEXT SEASON he's still playing just average.

 

 

[Success]

14 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I'd love to see the scientific data. 

 

It's all out there.  The 2020 season & all of the success and statistical excellence, juxtaposed against the 1st 2 games this year...

 

[Jobot]

56 minutes ago, Rico said:

Troll post > Clown post. Sounds like Billi. 

 

Calibrating the OP, sorry to hurt your butt in the process.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Through the first two weeks PFF has him graded at 62.3, ranked 27th in the league, better than Lawrence, Roethlisberger, Tua, Rodgers, Zach Wilson. 

 

Average is 72.4. 

 

High - Brady at 93.0.

 

Low - Lawrence at 47.8.

 

Edited September 21, 2021 by Straight Hucklebuck

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, Mat68 said:

Hey Nick Wright joined the forum.  

 

Nick Wright is a talking head that says outlandish things for attention, pretty much trolling intentionally.

 

I'm down on Allen and very concerned but still don't have a big enough sample size to know who he truly is yet (this season).

[Straight Hucklebuck]

5 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Nick Wright is a talking head that says outlandish things for attention, pretty much trolling intentionally.

 

I'm down on Allen and very concerned but still don't have a big enough sample size to know who he truly is yet (this season).

Well Nick Wright has no nuance to his opinion. 

 

His take is Mahomes will go to the Super Bowl every season he plays and nobody else can eat. 

 

So I guess that means he is going to go to 15 straight Super Bowls. 

 

This is the Michael Jordan argument. If the bar is Michael Jordan, then I guess nobody else will measure up. 

[FilthyBeast]

12 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Well Nick Wright has no nuance to his opinion. 

 

His take is Mahomes will go to the Super Bowl every season he plays and nobody else can eat. 

 

So I guess that means he is going to go to 15 straight Super Bowls. 

 

This is the Michael Jordan argument. If the bar is Michael Jordan, then I guess nobody else will measure up. 

 

Regarding Mahomes this is pretty much what the entire national media thinks...they've annointed him the GOAT already and assume he's going to easily surpass Brady and go to the SB every year even if they don't win like last season.

 

I like  Mahomes and have no argument against him being the best QB in the NFL right now but history has shown attrition happens and eventually he's not going to have Kelce, Cheetah, Andy Reid, etc around him and there will be down years/non playoffs season no matter what.

[dakrider]

I watched John Elway most of his career and he had many bad games statistically in his career and didn't look good at times but the primary thing was he was able to do enough to win the game.  And thats the bottom line,  not how many yards and TD's you get week to week.  You can also go look at some QB's that consistently put up good numbers but don't win games.  Its does the QB do enough to propel the team to win.  Style points don't buy much. 

[BurpleBull]

On 9/20/2021 at 1:13 PM, FilthyBeast said:

 

Agree, if Allen plays like crap again this week there are no more excuses. It will be time to accept that he's simply not good and behind closed doors in Orchard Park there will be serious buyers remorse knowing that he had a fluke year during the weird fanless covid year.

 

Washington has a good dline and but has struggled mightily overall and is lucky to be 1-1 right now. And even if they were a top defense Allen played extremely well against many top 10 defenses last year and has to show that again given his contract. Really hope he can turn it around and come out firing.

 

How's life treating you in 2018? 

 

Steer clear of 2021, we're dealing with this thing called COVID-19.

[billsfan_34]

2 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I agree and posted earlier that Bills fans have football's version of PTSS.  And don't forget that right before the great 20 year slump the Bill's lost FOUR straight Super Bowls.  That will shake a fan base for sure.

 

 

And after a solid outing in 2019 where Allen improved and helped lead the Bills to a playoff game that they earned not one they backed into (see 2017).

 

 

Exactly- folks need to relax. The kid had very few reps in pre season and just needs to get into a groove while focusing on fundamentals; Not throwing off his back foot for one. Our O line needs to play better. People forget our stud LT was very sick with CV.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

19 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

 

Imagine thinking an entire year is a fluke 

"Can you imagine a post so silly" Peyton Hillis said to Derek Anderson

23 minutes ago, dakrider said:

I watched John Elway most of his career and he had many bad games statistically in his career and didn't look good at times but the primary thing was he was able to do enough to win the game.  And thats the bottom line,  not how many yards and TD's you get week to week.  You can also go look at some QB's that consistently put up good numbers but don't win games.  Its does the QB do enough to propel the team to win.  Style points don't buy much. 

It's a different era.  The QB needs to consistently perform at a very high level to win most games in modern NFL.  Allen will play better.  All the toosl are there.  He just needs to settle down.  He has to if the goal is the SuperBowl.  

[Mango]

I am a big Allen the leader, the person, the playmaker. I have been admittedly hard on Allen the passer. I have said since he first started, he is the most exciting QB in the league for better or for worse. Anything can happen. I rallied that the odds were not in his favor, not that he couldn't do it, just that he would be an exception. But anybody who has watched Josh Allen at any point in his NFL career can't root against him. 

That said, he had a better year than I thought he ever would last year, so he CAN do it. From here on out it is on Josh to do it regularly. We are locked in on him for a long time now, whether he is great or terrible he is here. We may see some clunker years and games. It is frustrating. The fan base can and should talk about those games. 

But we are sooo far from calling Allen a mistake or permanently not good.

[Success]

53 minutes ago, dakrider said:

I watched John Elway most of his career and he had many bad games statistically in his career and didn't look good at times but the primary thing was he was able to do enough to win the game.  And thats the bottom line,  not how many yards and TD's you get week to week.  You can also go look at some QB's that consistently put up good numbers but don't win games.  Its does the QB do enough to propel the team to win.  Style points don't buy much. 

 

Anyone who has watched football for any length of time knows that every single amazing QB has had not only terrible games, but terrible stretches.  I get that Allen doesn't have the body of work to counterbalance a bad 2-game stretch just yet, but there seems to be an assumption that if you're going to call someone your "franchise guy," he's going to put up 350 & 3 TD's every week consistently or something.

 

Even Brady had terrible games.  He threw 4 picks against us once.  He wasn't great in either of the Giants Super Bowls (or both Rams SB's, for that matter).  Rogers, Montana, Wilson...you can go through the whole list and find 2 games in a row that were much worse than what we have seen from Allen this season.

 

[TheFunPolice]

Josh Allen went 20/26 for 194 yards and 2 TD vs the Packers in the final preseason game. 

 

So he's still the same Josh Allen, it's just that defenses are scheming up ways to disrupt the Bills passing attack. You want the team to peak in January/December. This is glorified preseason right now. 

 

I saw this on a Patriots message board, and I though it was an interesting stat:

 

In 6 super bowl winning seasons, the Patriots went:

2-0 twice
1-1 three times
0-2 once

So the key is to bank these wins early, by any means necessary, then be hitting on all cylinders come December and January (and hopefully February!) 

[SinceThe70s]

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

 

I'm down on Allen and very concerned but still don't have a big enough sample size to know who he truly is yet (this season).

 

So are you disagreeing with the guy who posted this:

 

"if Allen plays like crap again this week there are no more excuses. It will be time to accept that he's simply not good"

Edited September 21, 2021 by SinceThe70s

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Some Rosen diehards die hard.

[Like A Mofo]

Well I guess that is it: From MVP candidate to Josh is done after 2 weeks against Pittsburgh and Miami....

 

Ah, the internet....

[r00tabaga]

A moth goes into a podiatrist’s office, and the podiatrist’s office says, “What seems to be the problem, moth?”

The moth says “What’s the problem? Where do I begin, man? I go to work for Gregory Illinivich, and all day long I work. Honestly doc, I don’t even know what I’m doing anymore. I don’t even know if Gregory Illinivich knows. He only knows that he has power over me, and that seems to bring him happiness. But I don’t know, I wake up in a malaise, and I walk here and there… at night I…I sometimes wake up and I turn to some old lady in my bed that’s on my arm. A lady that I once loved, doc. I don’t know where to turn to. My youngest, Alexendria, she fell in the…in the cold of last year. The cold took her down, as it did many of us. And my other boy, and this is the hardest pill to swallow, doc. My other boy, Gregarro Ivinalititavitch… I no longer love him. As much as it pains me to say, when I look in his eyes, all I see is the same cowardice that I… that I catch when I take a glimpse of my own face in the mirror. If only I wasn’t such a coward, then perhaps…perhaps I could bring myself to reach over to that cocked and loaded gun that lays on the bedside behind me and end this hellish facade once and for all…Doc, sometimes I feel like a spider, even though I’m a moth, just barely hanging on to my web with an everlasting fire underneath me. I’m not feeling good. And so the doctor says, “Moth, man, you’re troubled. But you should be seeing a psychiatrist. Why on earth did you come here?”

And the moth says, “‘Cause the light was on.