Ass't Coaches: Rick Dennison (MN) and Cole Popovich (NE) out after refusing vaccine

[Max Fischer]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think those choices are comparable with being vaccinated. The others are all pure football. The vaccine is more than that. I think it is a relevant football consideration don't get me wrong, but it is not only about football. I think that is a bit of a false equivalence to compare it to not learning the playbook, with respect.

 

Nah Hapless is in the Beas thread.

Nope. It's a choice. You know what it takes to contribute to winning. If you choose not to what it takes then your team should choose to dismiss you. The outcome seems to make you uncomfortable but it's not that complicated for the team. 

[Mickey]

Can someone direct me to the football chat? I seem to have lost my way.

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's imperfection.  We mods are imperfect.  Alert the media!

 

Also sometimes we remove posts that quote removed posts, but the post itself isn't a problem so if someone quotes it it stays

IDK if that makes sense, probably not 🤷‍♂️

 

Apparently, that's not their assessment of him

 

They didn't have to fire him, technically, over this..

[Max Fischer]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Indeed but how many of us suddenly have the terms of our employment on a matter as serious as this changed under our noses and the only options being conform or go? It is dangerous territory in my view. The league has provided a 3rd (tougher restrictions) option for players, I personally think they should do the same for coaches. And believe me I have little time for the anti-vax argument. 

 

I see no reason to accommodate those who choose not to adapt to changing circumstances that could lead to forfiet games or, ya know, death of a team member. 

[RobbRiddick]

 

Lots of people posting their vital statistics in this thread, I thought I was on a dating site.

[Max Fischer]

2 minutes ago, Mickey said:

Can someone direct me to the football chat? I seem to have lost my way.

 

I bet you’ll care if the Bills are forced to forfiet one or more games. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

32 minutes ago, GLP said:

Goodbye to a couple of “less than critical thinkers”… (aka mor.ns)

Critical Thinking:

“The objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgment.”

Bye,bye to Cole as well… good riddance!

 

Man, I just can't roll with this.

 

Look, I'm breaking a rule, kind of - but the thing is there is SO much misinformation out there about the vaccine. SO many conspiracy theories.

Just on Cole Beasley's twitter feed today, he re-tweets two people who actually have legit credentials (MD; DVM with PhD in Virology) and who claim even grander credentials (which are pretty much overblown puffery), then critique the vaccines sharply.

 

To me, they stick out like sore thumbs as not legit, but to a person who is not trained in science it's probably very difficult to spot what's amiss.  I asked a friend, "here are these two guys, they are legitimately an MD and a DVM with PhD in Virology.  When you look them up, does anything strike you as off?"

 

My point is, while it breaks my heart, I really can't fault Beasley or anyone else who gets deluged by misinformation and has trouble sorting through it and doesn't know what to believe, especially if they are primed to distrust "mainstream media" and government.

 

And no, it's not good riddance, Cole Beasley is a Dog and a Baller.

[Max Fischer]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

They didn't have to fire him, technically, over this..

What is the alternative? Pay him not to do his job?

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Max Fischer said:

What is the alternative? Pay him not to do his job?

 

He may "coach without direct in-person contact with either the players or his fellow coaches by not getting the vaccine, per NFL COVID-19 protocols."

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

Lots of people posting their vital statistics in this thread, I thought I was on a dating site.

 

It's the new recipe discussion. 

For dinner tonight, we had oven roast green beans, oven roasted eggplant parm, and basil tomato salad, all from our garden.  Delish!

And FTR I'm short, old, and fat.

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Man, I just can't roll with this.

 

Look, I'm breaking a rule, kind of - but the thing is there is SO much misinformation out there about the vaccine. SO many conspiracy theories.

Just on Cole Beasley's twitter feed today, he re-tweets two people who actually have legit credentials (MD; DVM with PhD in Virology) and who claim even grander credentials (which are pretty much overblown puffery), then critique the vaccines sharply.

 

To me, they stick out like sore thumbs as not legit, but to a person who is not trained in science it's probably very difficult to spot what's amiss.  I asked a friend, "here are these two guys, they are legitimately an MD and a DVM with PhD in Virology.  When you look them up, does anything strike you as off?"

 

My point is, while it breaks my heart, I really can't fault Beasley or anyone else who gets deluged by misinformation and has trouble sorting through it.

 

And no, it's not good riddance, Cole Beasley is a Dog and a Baller.

 

Guys like Beasley are simply using this as a prop for their political statement (refusing vaccination).  I don't think he's very bright, but he's not burdened by any misinformation.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Guys like Beasley are simply using this as a prop for their political statement (refusing vaccination).  I don't think he's very bright, but he's not burdened by any misinformation.

 

But he is burdened by misinformation, WEO.  He is.  I'm not going to try to claim his doubts about vaccination didn't come first, and then he looked for sources to reinforce his doubts, but the point is, there's stuff out there that sounds legit and he's citing it.

 

I'll PM you a bunch of stuff and maybe you can give me your medically knowledgeable take on how you "out" the shysters without cluttering the board?

[Mr. WEO]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

But he is burdened by misinformation, WEO.  He is.  I'm not going to try to claim his doubts about vaccination didn't come first, and then he looked for sources to reinforce his doubts, but the point is, there's stuff out there that sounds legit and he's citing it.

 

I'll PM you a bunch of stuff and maybe you can give me your medically knowledgeable take on how you "out" the shysters without cluttering the board?

 

 

I'm cynical by nature.  I think he may not believe any of those sources (or doesn't care)--he clearly has put himself out there as a guy who won't let others (the NFL, "The Government") tell him what to do.  There are obviously millions like that in this country regarding this very issue.  I'm comfortable that he is simply doing his internet sources to post "see?  science agrees with me".  I don't believe at all that he is confused.  His political believes are guiding his public statements.  Luckil for him there are more agendized  individuals out there willing to put forth this junk  to confuse and persuade the least intelligent of the population so they will agree with their and his point of view and he can be viewed as some sort of beacon or hero or leader in this huge circle.  

 

If there was NO legit sounding stuff (have we really forgotten about "Plandemic" already??), Beasley would cite the My Pillow guy or whoever, and people would still say "RIGHT ON, MAN!".

 

 

Edited July 24, 2021 by Mr. WEO

[Hapless Bills Fan]

31 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

I'm cynical by nature.  I think he may not believe any of those sources (or doesn't care)--he clearly has put himself out there as a guy who won't let others (the NFL, "The Government") tell him what to do.  There are obviously millions like that in this country regarding this very issue.  I'm comfortable that he is simply doing his internet sources to post "see?  science agrees with me".  I don't believe at all that he is confused.  His political believes are guiding his public statements.  Luckil for him there are more agendized  individuals out there willing to put forth this junk  to confuse and persuade the least intelligent of the population so they will agree with their and his point of view and he can be viewed as some sort of beacon or hero or leader in this huge circle.  

 

If there was NO legit sounding stuff (have we really forgotten about "Plandemic" already??), Beasley would cite the My Pillow guy or whoever, and people would still say "RIGHT ON, MAN!".

 

I'll leave it at agree to disagree and move on.

[Chicken Boo]

Rick Dennison, huh?

 

Why doesn't this surprise me?

[Solomon Grundy]

I remember the great Cris Carter speaking at a rookie symposium and telling them "the NFL don't need you." "Playing in the NFL is a honor, not a privilege" I hope they remember this. 

[Buffalo Boy]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I really can't fault Beasley or anyone else who gets deluged by misinformation and has trouble sorting through it and doesn't know what to believe, especially if they are primed to distrust "mainstream media" and government.

Ugh!!!!

   I can fault people. 
   The “ Mainstream media” is in the mainstream because they aren’t on the fringe.

   People who are stupid enough to believe Medical Professionals are out to get them because someone told them so deserve what they get.

   Beasely has the resources to make an informed decision and he isn’t. His choice , which I actually support. I also support the consequences he will face.

    It shouldn’t be a news flash to anyone that the owners are in this to make money and have and will roll over anyone that gets in their way. Including Beasely and some coaches who are exercising their freedom of choice.

 

[K-9]

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I remember the great Cris Carter speaking at a rookie symposium and telling them "the NFL don't need you." "Playing in the NFL is a honor, not a privilege" I hope they remember this. 

Is that the same Cris Carter who told the same rookies at the same symposium that they needed to have a fall guy handy in case they ever got into trouble? That Cris Carter? Yeah, I know he apologized for the remarks but only after realizing he put his media career in jeopardy by uttering them in the first place. 

Edited July 24, 2021 by K-9

[Solomon Grundy]

7 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Is that the same Cris Carter who told the same rookies at the same symposium that they needed to have a fall guy handy in case they ever got into trouble? That Cris Carter? Yeah, I know he apologized for the remarks but only after realizing he put his media career in jeopardy by uttering them in the first place. 

Don't everyone have one of those... a wingman? 😎. I've been one numerous times 😁You don't know how many times my buddy fell asleep on my couch

Edited July 24, 2021 by Solomon Grundy

[BigAl2526]

Doesn't Bill Belichick have some illegitimate son somewhere who can coach the offensive line for him?

[Augie]

I haven’t read all of this, but I do want to commend everybody on getting 9 pages deep. Better than expected!   

[dave mcbride]

15 minutes ago, Augie said:

I haven’t read all of this, but I do want to commend everybody on getting 9 pages deep. Better than expected!   

And better yet, it appears that people can’t comment on Beasley, Diggs, Hughes, Feliciano, etc. without being shut down—despite the fact that it’s precisely the only issue animating most Bills fans outside of this particular forum right now. To be fair, I am partly speaking for the lady Bills fans, who among the ones that I know (most of my Bills fan friends, truth be told) have talked about this with me incessantly over the last couple weeks. But hey, let’s pretend everything is OK and focus on Dane Jackson’s progress! Of course, this board is a 100 percent sausage fest since Lori left years ago. 

[Doc Brown]

20 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

And better yet, it appears that people can’t comment on Beasley, Diggs, Hughes, Feliciano, etc. without being shut down—despite the fact that it’s precisely the only issue animating most Bills fans outside of this particular forum right now. To be fair, I am partly speaking for the lady Bills fans, who among the ones that I know (most of my Bills fan friends, truth be told) have talked about this with me incessantly over the last couple weeks. But hey, let’s pretend everything is OK and focus on Dane Jackson’s progress! Of course, this board is a 100 percent sausage fest since Lori left years ago. 

Yeah.... but did you know that Gabe Davis is generally a good guy?

Edited July 24, 2021 by Doc Brown

[JMF2006]

Welcome to our brave new world

[JMF2006]

15 hours ago, SWATeam said:

My understanding is that forfeit only comes into play if outbreak is among unvaccinated.

 

WTF is the difference?

14 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

But are your buttocks sublime?

 

No they are Panther Pink...the green shirtless guy has the Sublime buttocks

 

 

(These are Dodge Mopar colors you can get your Challenger in )

[JMF2006]

14 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Looks like he needs that new contract to buy the girl some clothes LOL

 

She doesn't need any from my point of view

 

WOW

14 hours ago, london_bills said:

Hey, did you start taking this more seriously at a particular age? I've lost motivation in recent years to be healthy and eat well. In my 40s now and my motivation has gone to s***

 

Wrong time to let yourself go.

 

Just eat right and go for walks 

[JMF2006]

11 hours ago, Chaos said:

At some point one of the NFL teams should rename itself the Sheep.  They will instantly be the most popular team in the USA. Merchandise sales would soar. 

 

They are called the Rams...large sheep....their cheerleaders are the Ewes...female sheep

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

15 hours ago, SWATeam said:

My understanding is that forfeit only comes into play if outbreak is among unvaccinated.

Now why did I immediately wonder how Belichick would exploit this, whether it happened to the Patriots, or it happened to their opponents. 🤔

[JMF2006]

Just now, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Now why did I immediately wonder how Belichick would exploit this, whether it happened to the Patriots, or it happened to their opponents. 🤔

Send them all (opponents) a case of covid 19 times Short Cut SB  

[Jpsredemption]

This is getting out of control. What a world we live in.

[Draconator]

12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

And FTR I'm short, old, and fat.

[Max Fischer]

15 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He may "coach without direct in-person contact with either the players or his fellow coaches by not getting the vaccine, per NFL COVID-19 protocols."

 

Sure. But why would any team want that dynamic? It makes no sense. 

[Mr. WEO]

7 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

 

Sure. But why would any team want that dynamic? It makes no sense. 

the point is he didn’t have to be fired.  We know of only 2 coaches in the NFLfired for this. You say those are the only 2 unvaccinated staff in the league?

[Max Fischer]

36 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

the point is he didn’t have to be fired.  We know of only 2 coaches in the NFLfired for this. You say those are the only 2 unvaccinated staff in the league?

 

No, I didn't say that, you did.  I never brought up the prospect of unvaccinated staff, which irrelevant to the discussion about the Vikings' policy.  

 

Now you state Dennison "didn't have to be fired."  Of course needed to be fired. The Vikings made a very rational decision that it would not put the team's prospects at risk by having unvaccinated coaching staff.  They made clear if staff did not comply, they would be terminated.  No different than any other conduct that could be detrimental to the team. 

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

51 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

the point is he didn’t have to be fired.  We know of only 2 coaches in the NFLfired for this. You say those are the only 2 unvaccinated staff in the league?

 

From all reports, yes. And if there are others, they are likely being given their last chance after they see how serious the league is taking it, and will also soon find themselves no longer employed by the NFL.

 

 

Edited July 24, 2021 by DrDawkinstein

[Max Fischer]

13 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Yeah.... but did you know that Gabe Davis is generally a good guy?

 

Let's not bicker and argue about who might spread a debilitating virus to the team that leads to one or more forfeits! On the eve of a new season this should be a happy occasion! Why I heard Felciano is a fun guy who enjoys a good party and spreading harmful misinformation about COVID!  Sorry, sorry, back to trivial topics . . .

[Doc Brown]

24 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

 

Let's not bicker and argue about who might spread a debilitating virus to the team that leads to one or more forfeits! On the eve of a new season this should be a happy occasion! Why I heard Felciano is a fun guy who enjoys a good party and spreading harmful misinformation about COVID!  Sorry, sorry, back to trivial topics . . .

I can't tell if you're being serious or not.  Regardless, it's not ideal to have players on the same team argue about vaccines on a social media platform when we were told this would be handled in house.  I'm not going to just brush aside the negative impact this could have on our team going into the season.  Especially if we're talking forfeits then it's absolutely fair game for McBeane to cut marginal players that aren't vaccinated.  Same goes for making a tough decision for a guy on a mission at slot WR if it comes to that.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

And better yet, it appears that people can’t comment on Beasley, Diggs, Hughes, Feliciano, etc. without being shut down—despite the fact that it’s precisely the only issue animating most Bills fans outside of this particular forum right now. To be fair, I am partly speaking for the lady Bills fans, who among the ones that I know (most of my Bills fan friends, truth be told) have talked about this with me incessantly over the last couple weeks. But hey, let’s pretend everything is OK and focus on Dane Jackson’s progress! Of course, this board is a 100 percent sausage fest since Lori left years ago. 

 

Let me point out to you that a brief search might locate a thread where various Bills on twitter were *gasp*  actually being discussed here

We recently had a 75 page long thread about Cole Beasley's view which gathered 1,426 replies and in which every conceivable aspect of the situation was discussed again...and again...and again.  There's even some discussion of Beasley, Diggs, Hughes, Feliciano on Twitter upthread!

A lot of people's idea of discussing Beasley, Diggs, Hughes, Feliciano on Twitter is to insert their information or misinformation, general opinions,and beliefs about covid-19 and/or politics into the discussion, which we're requested to stay out of:

Policing this places a pretty large burden on the mods, since people can not or will not restrain themselves and then of course, get all fluffy about it. 

Failing to police this degrades this FOOTBALL board into a Covid and Politics Sewer PDQ as was demonstrated last summer - the reason this rule was implemented.
 

Discussing other football relevant topics, including light-hearted ones, is something this board is intended to do whether or not Beasley on Twitter is being discussed.  Describing said discussions as "pretending everything is OK" seems egocentric to me ("only the discussion I wish to engage in counts as football discussion, everything else is just Ostrich-Town"), but Hey - You do You.

 

If the above does not satisfy you, since you seem vastly familiar with the "issues animating most Bills fans outside of this particular forum", may I respectfully suggest that the venues where said discussion is taking place might better suit your Bills discussion needs, at least on this topic?

 

58 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

 

Let's not bicker and argue about who might spread a debilitating virus to the team that leads to one or more forfeits! On the eve of a new season this should be a happy occasion! Why I heard Felciano is a fun guy who enjoys a good party and spreading harmful misinformation about COVID!  Sorry, sorry, back to trivial topics . . .

 

Nice Sar Chasm.  See above.

[first_and_ten]

This Covid issue will impact the football team. I feel it should be  a discussion that is allowed. In my opinion, the vaccine should be mandated. If you don't want to protect the team, go find another career. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Max Fischer said:

 

No, I didn't say that, you did.  I never brought up the prospect of unvaccinated staff, which irrelevant to the discussion about the Vikings' policy.  

 

Now you state Dennison "didn't have to be fired."  Of course needed to be fired. The Vikings made a very rational decision that it would not put the team's prospects at risk by having unvaccinated coaching staff.  They made clear if staff did not comply, they would be terminated.  No different than any other conduct that could be detrimental to the team. 

 

 

 

 

No I didn't.  And this discussion is exactly about unvaccinated coaching staff.  No NFL policy says Tier 1 staff have to be fired if they refuse vaccination.  They can remain on staff without player contact.  The is no NFL ultimatum of get vaccinated of be fired.

 

You can link me the Vikings policy that is separate from that of the NFL on this...

 

Also, the Vikings haven't yet fired him....https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-coach-rick-dennison-hasnt-been-fired-yet-discussions-ongoing