Richard Sherman Arrested

[billsfan89]

32 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I think his career was done even without this.  The game I saw him lay versus the Bills last year he was old and slow, we toyed with him.  J Allen threw for 4 tds, 0 picks and 375 yards.  Sherman was an empty uniform out there.

He was a high caliber player in 2019, I think some team was going to kick the tires on him. If Josh Norman coming off of a disaster of a season in 2019 got a contract in 2020 I would have found it hard to not see Sherman getting a one year deal.

[Gugny]

Just now, soflabillsfan1 said:

Yes. people taking the SAT are children as opposed to a few months later when they can buy a home, work full time, join the military etc.

 

You're assessing the intelligence of a 33-year-old man based on an SAT score that he received as a Compton school district student 16 years ago.

 

And somehow that makes sense to you?

 

[HappyDays]

Today I learned that multiple people know Richard Sherman's SAT score by heart. Which is weird, because it isn't something I've ever ever thought to look up. What's the story there?

[TheBrownBear]

3 minutes ago, Protocal69 said:

In a article it stated he had a 4.1 GPA which was " more than good enough to be accepted into Stanford" Where Im from the scale is 1-4 regarding GPA at least when I was in school so im not sure where the .1 comes into play

AP classes are weighted higher, so you can actually come close to having a 5.0 GPA on the 4.0 scale.  I think my graduating high school GPA was something like 4.34.

[soflabillsfan1]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

You're assessing the intelligence of a 33-year-old man based on an SAT score that he received as a Compton school district student 16 years ago.

 

And somehow that makes sense to you?

 

It does.  It's probably the best way we can sort people's cognitive abilities without having everyone take an IQ test.  Do you think him getting booked for domestic battery is a better way to assess his intelligence?

[Royale with Cheese]

14 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

I like when people call Richard Sherman smart.  Maybe for a football player but the guy got a 990 and 1080 on his SAT.  He's no brain surgeon.

 

*edit.  I see someone already mentioned that.

 

Do you have to be a brain surgeon to be smart?  He might not be a genius but the guy did get a Master's at Stanford.

[soflabillsfan1]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Do you have to be a brain surgeon to be smart?  He might not be a genius but the guy did get a Master's at Stanford.

No, but you have to be smart to be a brain surgeon.  It's just a saying. Did he actually earn a masters from Stanford.? I went to a top 25 school that had a football program.  The athletes are completely catered to.  Extra help, tutors, everything.  I've also seen some shady things I wont even get into.  Things are completely different for athletes than the general student.

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

It does.  It's probably the best way we can sort people's cognitive abilities without having everyone take an IQ test.  Do you think him getting booked for domestic battery is a better way to assess his intelligence?

 

I think one's intelligence has absolutely nothing to do with one's propensity to become a violent person/criminal.

[Bangarang]

It didn’t take long but this thread has already turned into a clown show

[ngbills]

So many unknowns here. Was it his wife? Was it a girlfriend? Was an actual assault involved or did he not even make it in the house?

 

More will come out. But there are plenty of good guys, smart guys, etc that get emotional when relationships or family get involved. So could be a number of situations in which he did something  terrible or that he did nothing and was in a fight with his wife and she locked him out of the house. Much more to come...

[Augie]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

Agreed. Dude is a loud mouth on the field, but is a really smart guy off the field. This is surprising.

 

The hour of the arrest makes me wonder what he had been doing in the hours leading up to whatever happened….if ya know what I mean. 

[fergie's ire]

9 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

AP classes are weighted higher, so you can actually come close to having a 5.0 GPA on the 4.0 scale.  I think my graduating high school GPA was something like 4.34.

Also,  many schools give A+ grades so they work on a 4.3 scale.

 

[soflabillsfan1]

Just now, Gugny said:

 

I think one's intelligence has absolutely nothing to do with one's propensity to become a violent person/criminal.

Oh wow.  Then you are really lost.  You don't believe intelligence is negatively correlated to violent crime.  You think violent crime is equally distributed across all intelligence levels?  When did the facts stop mattering to you?  Did you write the date down?

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, Protocal69 said:

Ok not to race bait cause that's not my thing but how does Sherman get no bail but Chad Wheeler can get released on bail after doing this in Washington state as well

 

 

 

 

Oh ok. I defer to your analyst at point cause for me it would be just speculation from me at this point.

Wheeler got out after three days following his court appearance. Sherman will be out after his court appearance as well. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, soflabillsfan1 said:

No, but you have to be smart to be a brain surgeon.  It's just a saying. Did he actually earn a masters from Stanford.? I went to a top 25 school that had a football program.  The athletes are completely catered to.  Extra help, tutors, everything.  I've also seen some shady things I wont even get into.  Things are completely different for athletes than the general student.

 

Stanford isn't Florida or Alabama or USC where they just pass them through.  I know a lot of people who went to top 25 schools.   

He had a 3.7 GPA at Stanford.  I looked further and not sure if he completed his Masters....he enrolled in his 5th year but was drafted.

 

Yes of course they have tutors.  I went to a mid major and not a top 25 school but I was given a tutor as well.  

They are given tutors because they commit a lot of time with practice, conditioning, weight training etc.....

And again, this is Stanford who has a higher academic standard than most of your other top football schools.  I talked with several guys who played football at the bigger schools and they were told not to go to class on test day....all passed.  

 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/richard-sherman-college-football-academic-careers/1xc5bxn4n0rv4114dnjwwzin1a

An excellent student, Sherman graduated in 2006 with a 4.2 GPA, earning salutatorian honors. According to his website, he was the first student in 20 years "qualified to attend Stanford on both academic and athletic merits." His 247Sports profile lists four schools that offered him scholarships, including one from UCLA.

[Gugny]

Just now, soflabillsfan1 said:

Oh wow.  Then you are really lost.  You don't believe intelligence is negatively correlated to violent crime.  You think violent crime is equally distributed across all intelligence levels?  When did the facts stop mattering to you?  Did you write the date down?

 

I'm sure they correlate, but that doesn't mean it's an absolute.  See:  Ted Bundy.  Borderline genius/serial rapist-killer.

 

For some reason - hell, I'll tell the reason - because Sherman is black, has dreadlocks and a big, opinionated mouth - he's been labeled as a racist and a thug in this thread and his guilt has already been declared.

 

The point I'm trying to make, here, is that Richard Sherman is a smart guy, based on his high school and college achievements, being on the NFLPA board for years and his philanthropic work.

 

He's being judged and labeled in this thread for all the wrong reasons and I find it disgusting.

 

[soflabillsfan1]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

I'm sure they correlate, but that doesn't mean it's an absolute.  See:  Ted Bundy.  Borderline genius/serial rapist-killer.

 

For some reason - hell, I'll tell the reason - because Sherman is black, has dreadlocks and a big, opinionated mouth - he's been labeled as a racist and a thug in this thread and his guilt has already been declared.

 

The point I'm trying to make, here, is that Richard Sherman is a smart guy, based on his high school and college achievements, being on the NFLPA board for years and his philanthropic work.

 

He's being judged and labeled in this thread for all the wrong reasons and I find it disgusting.

 

Of course they're correlated.  Don't be the person who lives by the exception and not the rule. That throws out the facts because 1 person out of 1000 breaks the rules. Statistics matter.  No one cares that Richard Sherman is black.  Or has dreadlocks.  Every time a celebrity of any kind gets arrested you'll have people convict them before their day in court.  It's the price of fame.  Has nothing to do with race.  People love to see people fall from grace. 

[BigAl2526]

Sounds like he broke into a former girlfriend's place.  Certainly, it wouldn't have been a random burglary to acquire stolen goods to make some extra money.

[Blainorama5]

Sooooo.....  pending an arraignment, lengthy trial, possible jail time, and a lot of public shaming....

 

he might be available right!?

[BringBackFergy]

35 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I'd be willing to bet that he's smart enough to know how silly it is to gauge someone's  a QB's intelligence solely based upon a friggin' SAT Wunderlic score.

 

 

LOL

 

[appoo]

5 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

Sounds like he broke into a former girlfriend's place.  Certainly, it wouldn't have been a random burglary to acquire stolen goods to make some extra money.

He's married with 2 kids, and his been with the same women for quite a while now.

 

There's a lot to this story.

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

Of course they're correlated.  Don't be the person who lives by the exception and not the rule. That throws out the facts because 1 person out of 1000 breaks the rules. Statistics matter.  No one cares that Richard Sherman is black.  Or has dreadlocks.  Every time a celebrity of any kind gets arrested you'll have people convict them before their day in court.  It's the price of fame.  Has nothing to do with race.  People love to see people fall from grace. 

 

Yeah, I'll just paint with a broad brush since the correlation exists most of the time.  What's the harm in throwing a few outliers in there, right?  Works with capital punishment well enough.  A few "oopsies" here and there don't really matter to anyone.

 

Don't be the person who says that no one cares that Richard Sherman is black or has dreadlocks.  Just read the comments.

 

There are no details about what happened.  None.  But right away, multiple people claimed how this comes as no surprise.

 

And the reasons they've given are horrible.

 

I'll stop now.  No interest in getting into a pissing match with you or anyone else.  I do appreciate keeping the dialogue respectful, so thanks.

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

48 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

I don't know about the SAT (I didn't do any prep), but for the LSAT (which, btw, Mensa accepts for admission), test prep makes a huge difference.  I've witnessed a lot of folks go from mid-150s (slightly above average) to 168-172 because of intensive test prep.  That's the difference between going to Duke vs. Georgia State School of Law.

 

48 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

I like when people call Richard Sherman smart.  Maybe for a football player but the guy got a 990 and 1080 on his SAT.  He's no brain surgeon.

 

*edit.  I see someone already mentioned that.

 

I was lucky enough to be born into a family who could afford to send me to a specific SAT prep class at Huntington Learning Center.

 

I scored a 1360.

 

You guys have seen my posting, right?

[Blainorama5]

Intelligence and Bad behavior go together like peanut butter and jelly.

 

Says every evil genius / arch enemy!!

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

I don’t know about good dude, but he’s always been relatively smart.  He’s a Stanford grad., and you don’t get in there even if you’re are a great athlete unless you’re very bright.  
 

this was a surprise to me.  I never pegged him for a dumb decision, but my guess and just a guess befor knowing anything, it’s a relationship that became ugly  and trying to get something back important to him.

 

who knows?  She could have done something rotten and he handled badly.  Then again, he not be who he portrays himself to be either.  It will eventually come out.  It always does at some point.

 

For his sake, I hope he was just a jolted guy trying to get back a momento or something.

Yep. The burglary thing immed made me think of what I've seen a few times. Again educated guess, but forcibly taking a cell phone away, and or possibly smashing it after an argument or him seeing something he didn't like in there. Pretty common

[TheBrownBear]

9 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

No, but you have to be smart to be a brain surgeon.  It's just a saying. Did he actually earn a masters from Stanford.? I went to a top 25 school that had a football program.  The athletes are completely catered to.  Extra help, tutors, everything.  I've also seen some shady things I wont even get into.  Things are completely different for athletes than the general student.

Athletes get perks, yes.  And the way bigtime college athletics is set up is a joke to begin with.  For the majority of schools, they'll take anyone who can write their name and then stick them in a bunch of bogus classes to keep them eligible (e.g., North Carolina). But playing football is essentially a full-time job for them.  It ain't easy, physically or mentally, busting your butt the way these guys do at top college football programs, and then trying to play the role of full-time student as well.  

 

Having said that, Stanford does have much higher academic standards for incoming athletes than the rest of Division I.  I too attended a top-25 school with high-major Division I athletic programs (football, basketball, baseball, etc.).  It was well known that the "true student athletes" first choice was almost always Stanford.  There were many football and basketball recruits where we had to sit and hope that they wouldn't clear Stanford admissions, so we could get them at our prestigious university.  As I said, Stanford pretty thoroughly vets their incoming athletes.  If Sherman got into Stanford with a 1080 SAT (not sure if this is true, but it's been quoted in this thread), you can be sure there were plenty of other non-athletic (academic, leadership, community involvement) factors that led to him receiving a Stanford offer (like being a salutatorian and having a 4.2 GPA).  The guy clearly isn't intellectually stupid (I'll reserve judgment on Sherman's decision-making until the facts of this case come to light).

 

Also, as an aside, there's plenty of shady behavior and systematic cheating among the general student population at top schools.  Heck, in my fraternity we had a huge test bank and term paper library that we could use if needed (I didn't, but it was certainly available to me). It's not exclusive to athletes. 

[appoo]

 

Dude may have had a really bad night

[DrDawkinstein]

28 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

Oh wow.  Then you are really lost.  You don't believe intelligence is negatively correlated to violent crime.  You think violent crime is equally distributed across all intelligence levels?  When did the facts stop mattering to you?  Did you write the date down?

 

Post your data.

[TheBrownBear]

6 minutes ago, appoo said:

 

Dude may have had a really bad night

Sounds like he'd fit in with Mac Jones.  Pats should sign him.

[appoo]

19 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

Of course they're correlated.  Don't be the person who lives by the exception and not the rule. That throws out the facts because 1 person out of 1000 breaks the rules. Statistics matter.  No one cares that Richard Sherman is black.  Or has dreadlocks.  Every time a celebrity of any kind gets arrested you'll have people convict them before their day in court.  It's the price of fame.  Has nothing to do with race.  People love to see people fall from grace. 

This really isn't a great path you're on, because it leads to some fairly controversial conclusions around intelligence and race.

 

Intelligence testing itself isn't a settled science, so it's a bit dangerous to draw conclusions.

 

I think it's safer to suggest that there's a correlation between criminality and economic environment. AKA survivalism.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said:

Sounds like he'd fit in with Mac Jones.  Pats should sign him.

 

Mac Jones is a thug!

[appoo]

8 minutes ago, appoo said:

 

Dude may have had a really bad night

 

[YoloinOhio]

https://www.tmz.com/2021/07/14/nfl-star-richard-sherman-arrested-for-burglary-domestic-violence-in-county-jail/

 

Quote

Cops say when they arrived on scene, they identified Sherman as the suspect ... and claim he became uncooperative and combative during questioning.

Sherman allegedly fought with cops so much ... we're told a K9 was deployed to take down the NFL player and help bring him into custody.

 

Edited July 14, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[TheBrownBear]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Mac Jones is a thug!

  Clearly!  Look at that chain around his neck and his defiant glare in his mugshot!!!

[Seasons1992]

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

Never was a fan.  Tried to come off above everyone else.  Seems like a “do you know who I am?” Type 

 

Yeah, but he's CERTAINLY more worthy of that than Ko Simpson......

 

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Athletes get perks, yes.  And the way bigtime college athletics is set up is a joke to begin with.  For the majority of schools, they'll take anyone who can write their name and then stick them in a bunch of bogus classes to keep them eligible (e.g., North Carolina). But playing football is essentially a full-time job for them.  It ain't easy, physically or mentally, busting your butt the way these guys do at top college football programs, and then trying to play the role of full-time student as well.  

 

Having said that, Stanford does have much higher academic standards for incoming athletes than the rest of Division I.  I too attended a top-25 school with high-major Division I athletic programs (football, basketball, baseball, etc.).  It was well known that the "true student athletes" first choice was almost always Stanford.  There were many football and basketball recruits where we had to sit and hope that they wouldn't clear Stanford admissions, so we could get them at our prestigious university.  As I said, Stanford pretty thoroughly vets their incoming athletes.  If Sherman got into Stanford with a 1080 SAT (not sure if this is true, but it's been quoted in this thread), you can be sure there were plenty of other non-athletic (academic, leadership, community involvement) factors that led to him receiving a Stanford offer (like being a salutatorian and having a 4.2 GPA).  The guy clearly isn't intellectually stupid (I'll reserve judgment on Sherman's decision-making until the facts of this case come to light).

 

Also, as an aside, there's plenty of shady behavior and systematic cheating among the general student population at top schools.  Heck, in my fraternity we had a huge test bank and term paper library that we could use if needed (I didn't, but it was certainly available to me). It's not exclusive to athletes. 

 

I went to a mid major and a football player that transferred from a big program to our school because he wasn't getting playing time.

He asked me to proof read his essay before he turns it in.  It was a 5 page essay.

This dude, good guy, had about a 2nd grade education level.  The entire 5 page, he didn't use one punctuation....not a single one.  It was a 5 page run on sentence.  

He was eligible to play every year lol!  

4 minutes ago, appoo said:

This really isn't a great path you're on, because it leads to some fairly controversial conclusions around intelligence and race.

 

Intelligence testing itself isn't a settled science, so it's a bit dangerous to draw conclusions.

 

I think it's safer to suggest that there's a correlation between criminality and economic environment. AKA survivalism.

 

The one thing that's kind of a pattern...many serial killers had very high IQ's!

[TheBrownBear]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

https://www.tmz.com/2021/07/14/nfl-star-richard-sherman-arrested-for-burglary-domestic-violence-in-county-jail/

Yikes!  Sounds like he really tied one on the last couple of days.

[Chandler#81]

Can we sign him for his Bail price?😳

[Seasons1992]

2 hours ago, Purplebulldog said:

he's now truly a "lockdown" corner

 

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

https://www.tmz.com/2021/07/14/nfl-star-richard-sherman-arrested-for-burglary-domestic-violence-in-county-jail/

 

New released video of one NFL player fighting off multiple cops...