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10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I don't know why but I'm starting to warm up to the Etienne pick.  I never want a RB in the first and still don't....but for whatever reason I seem okay right now if this is the pick.

 

I am not a huge fan of Ettienne but won't argue if he's the pick, I just really hope we don't trade up for him. I love me some Najee Harris but he'll be gone. I also like Javonte Williams but he's likely gone between our first and second pick so kind of no mans land for us. 

 

I also don't mind taking an RB in the first two rounds of the draft, this is where the majority of good RBs get drafted. Everyone seems to think that you can pick an RB wherever but most of the guys drafted late are pretty terrible. You get the odd Austin Ekeler, James Robinson, Chris Carson late or as a UDFA but those are rare finds.

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11 minutes ago, CapeBreton said:

 

I am not a huge fan of Ettienne but won't argue if he's the pick, I just really hope we don't trade up for him. I love me some Najee Harris but he'll be gone. I also like Javonte Williams but he's likely gone between our first and second pick so kind of no mans land for us. 

 

I also don't mind taking an RB in the first two rounds of the draft, this is where the majority of good RBs get drafted. Everyone seems to think that you can pick an RB wherever but most of the guys drafted late are pretty terrible. You get the odd Austin Ekeler, James Robinson, Chris Carson late or as a UDFA but those are rare finds.

 
It’s not that you can pick RBs anywhere, it’s that a solid RB in the fifth is better than a good one in the first. RB value stinks out loud.

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2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

What’s allbright talking about. He wasn’t right about the bills pick the last two years. 2020 he had epenesa to the pats at 23 and 2019 he had the Bills taking Christian Wilkins. 

 

I find him to be quite arrogant and rude truthfully. 

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8 minutes ago, CapeBreton said:

I also don't mind taking an RB in the first two rounds of the draft, this is where the majority of good RBs get drafted. Everyone seems to think that you can pick an RB wherever but most of the guys drafted late are pretty terrible. You get the odd Austin Ekeler, James Robinson, Chris Carson late or as a UDFA but those are rare finds.

 

This is probably recency bias on your part because that statement is absolutely a false narrative. It's not rare to find a good RB outside of the 1st or 2nd Round. Using your Chris Carson reference, that 2017 draft alone is littered with several good choices in Round 3 and beyond: Alvin Kamara, Kareem Hunt, and James Conner all in Round 3, Tarik Cohen and Marlon Mack in Round 4, Aaron Jones in Round 5, Chris Carson in Round 7. Hardly rare.

 

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8 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

This is probably recency bias on your part because that statement is absolutely a false narrative. It's not rare to find a good RB outside of the 1st or 2nd Round. Using your Chris Carson reference, that 2017 draft alone is littered with several good choices in Round 3 and beyond: Alvin Kamara, Kareem Hunt, and James Conner all in Round 3, Tarik Cohen and Marlon Mack in Round 4, Aaron Jones in Round 5, Chris Carson in Round 7. Hardly rare.

 

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What’s rare is to hit on a first round RB who makes it to his second contract.

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1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I don't know why but I'm starting to warm up to the Etienne pick.  I never want a RB in the first and still don't....but for whatever reason I seem okay right now if this is the pick.

 

I'll be completely honest.  This has been a terrible and horribly disappointing offseason for the Bills.  At least so far.

Our biggest free agent additions have been a backup quarterback (on a one-year deal) and swapping John Brown for Emmanuel Sanders (basically a wash if both guys are healthy).  Nothing has been done to upgrade the pass rush.  Nothing has been done to improve the secondary.  

 

To make matters worse, our rivals in the AFC East have made some nice improvements.  The Dolphins are loaded with draft picks to upgrade an already strong roster.  The Jets are a few days away from getting a potential franchise QB, and also have a ton of selections.  And after filling tons of holes in free agency, don't be surprised if Justin Fields falls in Bill Belichick's lap on Thursday night.  Yuck.

 

This offseason was Brandon Beane's golden opportunity to solidify the Bills among the NFL's elite teams.  Our performance in the AFC Championship Game was awful.  It was disgustingly bad.  We didn't even look like legit competition for the Chiefs.  Then two weeks later, the world saw Tampa Bay lay-out the blueprint for beating them.  And it wasn't by featuring a Pro-Bowl running back.  I don't understand how anyone could watch Chiefs receivers running open all game, and be fine with the exact same players in coverage.  I don't understand how anyone could watch the Super Bowl, and be fine with trotting out the exact same group of pass rushers.

 

I want to trust Beane.  And in many ways, he's earned our trust as Bills fans.  But I cannot imagine how picking a RUNNING BACK in the first round (especially with a trade-up) could possibly be the answer.  Just look to the #4 team picking in the draft (Atlanta) to see how quickly a championship-caliber roster can fall apart due to bad decisions.  

 

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1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:


What’s rare is to hit on a first round RB who makes it to his second contract.

 

Agreed, which is primarily why I don't want Etienne in the 1st Round, especially at the cost of additional draft assets. Even if you hit on one who makes it to his second contract, it's questionable at best whether allocating those resources to that position is a smart move. Dave Gettleman is about to find that out very soon.

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2 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

I'll be completely honest.  This has been a terrible and horribly disappointing offseason for the Bills.  At least so far.

Our biggest free agent additions have been a backup quarterback (on a one-year deal) and swapping John Brown for Emmanuel Sanders (basically a wash if both guys are healthy).  Nothing has been done to upgrade the pass rush.  Nothing has been done to improve the secondary.  

 

To make matters worse, our rivals in the AFC East have made some nice improvements.  The Dolphins are loaded with draft picks to upgrade an already strong roster.  The Jets are a few days away from getting a potential franchise QB, and also have a ton of selections.  And after filling tons of holes in free agency, don't be surprised if Justin Fields falls in Bill Belichick's lap on Thursday night.  Yuck.

 

This offseason was Brandon Beane's golden opportunity to solidify the Bills among the NFL's elite teams.  Our performance in the AFC Championship Game was awful.  It was disgustingly bad.  We didn't even look like legit competition for the Chiefs.  Then two weeks later, the world saw Tampa Bay lay-out the blueprint for beating them.  And it wasn't by featuring a Pro-Bowl running back.  I don't understand how anyone could watch Chiefs receivers running open all game, and be fine with the exact same players in coverage.  I don't understand how anyone could watch the Super Bowl, and be fine with trotting out the exact same group of pass rushers.

 

I want to trust Beane.  And in many ways, he's earned our trust as Bills fans.  But I cannot imagine how picking a RUNNING BACK in the first round (especially with a trade-up) could possibly be the answer.  Just look to the #4 team picking in the draft (Atlanta) to see how quickly a championship-caliber roster can fall apart due to bad decisions.  

 

 

We are returning players on a team that went 13-3.  It's not like we are returning players from a 7-9 team.

 

You're looking at it as 100% on the players.  We had no problem scoring on even better defenses than the Chiefs but for whatever reason, couldn't score on the Chiefs.  We have the players on offense to score on the Chiefs, we just need a better game plan....healthy WR too.

 

Efe I think will give us more than Jefferson.  Star coming back helps with a fat man in the middle, hopefully freeing up Oliver more.  Epenesa is in year 2 and will need him to take the next step.  Plus we have the draft.  This offseason isn't over.

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8 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

I'll be completely honest.  This has been a terrible and horribly disappointing offseason for the Bills.  At least so far.

Our biggest free agent additions have been a backup quarterback (on a one-year deal) and swapping John Brown for Emmanuel Sanders (basically a wash if both guys are healthy).  Nothing has been done to upgrade the pass rush.  Nothing has been done to improve the secondary.  

 

To make matters worse, our rivals in the AFC East have made some nice improvements.  The Dolphins are loaded with draft picks to upgrade an already strong roster.  The Jets are a few days away from getting a potential franchise QB, and also have a ton of selections.  And after filling tons of holes in free agency, don't be surprised if Justin Fields falls in Bill Belichick's lap on Thursday night.  Yuck.

 

This offseason was Brandon Beane's golden opportunity to solidify the Bills among the NFL's elite teams.  Our performance in the AFC Championship Game was awful.  It was disgustingly bad.  We didn't even look like legit competition for the Chiefs.  Then two weeks later, the world saw Tampa Bay lay-out the blueprint for beating them.  And it wasn't by featuring a Pro-Bowl running back.  I don't understand how anyone could watch Chiefs receivers running open all game, and be fine with the exact same players in coverage.  I don't understand how anyone could watch the Super Bowl, and be fine with trotting out the exact same group of pass rushers.

 

I want to trust Beane.  And in many ways, he's earned our trust as Bills fans.  But I cannot imagine how picking a RUNNING BACK in the first round (especially with a trade-up) could possibly be the answer.  Just look to the #4 team picking in the draft (Atlanta) to see how quickly a championship-caliber roster can fall apart due to bad decisions.  

 

Very good post. I'd to add while it was impressive keeping their own, the Bills taking the next step is depending heavily on a few young guys progressing (Edmunds/Oliver), Star returning playing like 7 years ago, and Mongo having the use of both arms. 

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I don’t like taking a RB in the 1st round, but this is a unique year.  The lack of info on these prospects probably pushes RB’s up the draft board because RB’s are easier to scout and project.  
Do you roll the dice on a guy like Farley or take more of a sure thing in Etienne?  

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16 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Just a gut feeling, and while I personally prefer a few other positions myself, Harris is a lot faster than people seem to think.

I dont think Beanes the type to let ego get in the way, and I think its only admitting Singletary, Moss is gunna be a nice back for us IMO. Not saying we will do this, just that if Beane thinks it's best case scenario, he'll pull the trigger

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43 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I don’t like taking a RB in the 1st round, but this is a unique year.  The lack of info on these prospects probably pushes RB’s up the draft board because RB’s are easier to scout and project.  
Do you roll the dice on a guy like Farley or take more of a sure thing in Etienne?  

Farley isn't a great fit for the Bills zone defense, he's more of man corner that relies on his size to jam guys and then run with them. 

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15 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

No one knew Allen or any other pick of ours; they are air tight there..

 

Now has a team told someone we called, it's possible, but would they know who we want? Not a chance in hell. It feels like somewhere along the chain someone attached Etienne's name

I doubt any team knows, but if they did and leaked it, that's the end of a working relationship between the 2. There's on 31 other gms, that kinda practice is very bad business id assume

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7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Farley isn't a great fit for the Bills zone defense, he's more of man corner that relies on his size to jam guys and then run with them. 

 

He definitely needs to work on his zone coverage skills but he's a 'Top 10', talent, if healthy, and a probable 'shut down' corner. You find a way to make him fit. He's a rare talent who trumps scheme and he would bring some versatility that would allow McDermott to change up his coverage packages, if necessary.

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8 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I dont think Beanes the type to let ego get in the way, and I think its only admitting Singletary, Moss is gunna be a nice back for us IMO. Not saying we will do this, just that if Beane thinks it's best case scenario, he'll pull the trigger

Right on man, and I'm not even saying it's my first choice (DE, CB, WR in that order) but like I said it's a gut feeling/BPA situation for me. 

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1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

We are returning players on a team that went 13-3.  It's not like we are returning players from a 7-9 team.

 

I believe we can win 13 games again.  I believe we can win the AFC East again.  I believe we can make the AFC Championship again.

My problem is believing we can defeat the Kansas City Chiefs.  We were 0-2 last year, and I don't think we've taken the steps necessary to vault above them.

 

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You're looking at it as 100% on the players.  We had no problem scoring on even better defenses than the Chiefs but for whatever reason, couldn't score on the Chiefs.  We have the players on offense to score on the Chiefs, we just need a better game plan....healthy WR too.

 

We tried two different gameplans, and failed both times.  And honestly, neither game was particularly close.

The first time we tried playing "keep away" from Patrick Mahomes, and got totally stampeded by their run game.  The second time we played our regular McDermott zone defense and hoped our offense could outperform theirs.  The offense choked and the pass defense was absolutely destroyed.

 

In contrast, Tampa Bay showed the way to beat the Chiefs is by getting heavy pressure.  

 

I agree our offense played bad in the Championship Game.  But our solution for beating the Chiefs can't just be... "Score 40 points and cross your fingers!"  Our defense needs to be able to make some stops against them.  The McDermott defense is dependent on having a strong pass rush from the D-Line.  Our guys can't seem to handle that job, so I would say more talent is needed.  That is players.  Not just gameplan.

 

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Efe I think will give us more than Jefferson.  Star coming back helps with a fat man in the middle, hopefully freeing up Oliver more.  Epenesa is in year 2 and will need him to take the next step.  Plus we have the draft.  This offseason isn't over.

 

Be honest.  You never heard of Efe Obada before he signed with Buffalo.  He is not the answer to our pass rush.

Star Lotulelei should help a little, but he's getting up there in age and sat out an entire season.  

I am also hoping for a big step from AJ Epenesa, but it's also realistic to expect Jerry Hughes/Mario Addison to take a step back.

 

The offseason isn't over.  But that's kind of the point of this thread.  

If we waste a 1st Rounder (and more) to land Travis Etienne, you can say goodbye to upgrading the D-Line in 2021.

 

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