stinky finger Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Had to go with my boy, KT. In this scenario, there are several others I would be happy with. I just have a feeling about his talent and his fit with Josh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, Virgil said: I honestly think many teams are nervous about players from there. I say it jokingly, but that program masks their talent each year with their NCAA scheduling skirting. When it comes to the big games, they get destroyed. They are fools gold. Some players end up doing okay, but who was the last solid big name talent that really translated. (I know I'm going to regret saying this as I went off pure memory and didn't do any research) As an ND fan (my grandfather was a huge Notre Dame fan so I never had a choice really), I think that's slightly harsh regarding their players, but I definitely get where you're coming from in terms of the big games. ND has a serious Alabama/Clemson/Ohio State problem (almost every team does to be fair) and it's gotten to the point where I wish they'd stop putting us in the playoff. We have generally played well and been a solid top 15 team year in and year out, but don't recruit well enough to be a top 5 team and genuine national championship contender at the moment. In terms of their prospects and their NFL readiness, Notre Dame actually plays a pro-ready type offense/defense and they've had a number of good prospects. Again all the five star recruits mostly go to the elite teams I mentioned, but guys like Ronnie Stanley, Quenton Nelson, Romeo Okwara, Harrison Smith, Kyle Rudolph, Will Fuller, Golden Tate, Tyler Eifert, Stephon Tuitt, and Zack Martin have all had solid-to-excellent NFL careers with some younger guys like Claypool up and coming. Outside of Nelson, Martin, and pre-injury Jaylon Smith, JOK is probably a better prospect than the rest of those guys and I think his skill set translates really well to the NFL game. As a side note, how does one get involved in these mock drafts? Can I be added to the list for the next one? Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Virgil said: Honestly, I don’t think it’s too crazy. Someone’s going to drop, it could easily be him. Look at the Raiders the past few years, they love taking people too soon. They could also take a RB. I think people have done a decent job so far in this mock. Someone certainly could drop. I think it might be Rousseau myself but I can see why it could be JOK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Why Etienne over Harris guys? What am I missing here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just now, Victory Formation said: Why Etienne over Harris guys? What am I missing here? The Bills need for speed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Dont Stop Billeiving said: As an ND fan (my grandfather was a huge Notre Dame fan so I never had a choice really), I think that's slightly harsh regarding their players, but I definitely get where you're coming from in terms of the big games. ND has a serious Alabama/Clemson/Ohio State problem (almost every team does to be fair) and it's gotten to the point where I wish they'd stop putting us in the playoff. We have generally played well and been a solid top 15 team year in and year out, but don't recruit well enough to be a top 5 team and genuine national championship contender at the moment. In terms of their prospects and their NFL readiness, Notre Dame actually plays a pro-ready type offense/defense and they've had a number of good prospects. Again all the five star recruits mostly go to the elite teams I mentioned, but guys like Ronnie Stanley, Quenton Nelson, Romeo Okwara, Harrison Smith, Kyle Rudolph, Will Fuller, Golden Tate, Tyler Eifert, Stephon Tuitt, and Zack Martin have all had solid-to-excellent NFL careers with some younger guys like Claypool up and coming. Outside of Nelson, Martin, and pre-injury Jaylon Smith, JOK is probably a better prospect than the rest of those guys and I think his skill set translates really well to the NFL game. As a side note, how does one get involved in these mock drafts? Can I be added to the list for the next one? Cheers! Send me a message and I’ll add you to the list for 2.0 probably starting next Saturday. As for Notre Dame, my dislike them is purely fan based and irrational. It always pissed me off to see them get a big bowl game and then get destroyed. I believe they need to be in a conference and subject to the same SOS as everyone else, including having something to win to qualify. That’s really the extent of it for me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: The Bills need for speed. I’m worried if a hole doesn’t open up that he’ll be dropped like a sack of potatoes, that worries me. Seems like Najee is fast and can open holes, can catch too. Seems a lot like Derrick Henry if not LeVeon Bell. I’m worried about Etienne. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) I like Eric Stokes here. Cosmi the best remaining tackle Was reading Owusu Koromoah is quite small for an LB and projects as a nickel only. But lacking the choice I selected Phillips. Edited March 28, 2021 by Seoulofstone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just now, Victory Formation said: I’m worried if a hole doesn’t open up that he’ll be dropped like a sack of potatoes, that worries me. Seems like Najee is fast and can open holes, can catch too. Seems a lot like Derrick Henry if not LeVeon Bell. I’m worried about Etienne. Najee is a better bet if you want an every down back. I am not sure the Bills want or need an every down back given they are a pass first offense. They need someone who is a threat to take it the distance. I have them very close but I do have Etienne just ranked higher. I like Najee.... but I don't know where the special is. He is definitely a safer choice. I wouldn't like the Bills to take either at #30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyNoodles Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Virgil said: People see him as a LB/S hybrid who can cover a TE Yes but can’t see any pick like that in round one. Dude will get steamrolled at his weight. Edited March 28, 2021 by JimmyNoodles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: I’m worried if a hole doesn’t open up that he’ll be dropped like a sack of potatoes, that worries me. Seems like Najee is fast and can open holes, can catch too. Seems a lot like Derrick Henry if not LeVeon Bell. I’m worried about Etienne. Najee, also better blocker and better ball security. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Najee is a better bet if you want an every down back. I am not sure the Bills want or need an every down back given they are a pass first offense. They need someone who is a threat to take it the distance. I have them very close but I do have Etienne just ranked higher. I like Najee.... but I don't know where the special is. He is definitely a safer choice. I wouldn't like the Bills to take either at #30. Yessir. I’m okay with Najee in the right scenario, not my first choice but still a solid one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, Seoulofstone said: I like Eric Stokes here. Cosmi the best remaining tackle Was reading Owusu Koromoah is quite small for an LB and projects as a nickel only. But lacking the choice I selected Phillips. Stokes is going to be an awesome pro. Actually is exactly the kind of player McD likes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Virgil said: People see him as a LB/S hybrid who can cover a TE Exactly, plus he still has room to add about 10-15lbs and be a Lavonte David type of LB. The young man is talented. Edited March 29, 2021 by H2o 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 JOK is best player on the board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just now, H2o said: Exactly, plus he still has room to add about 10-15lbs and be a Lavonte Davis type of LB. The young man is talented. And if there is a defensive mind in the NFL who has shown he is not afraid by undersized linebackers it is Sean McDermott. He wants his linebackers to cover and he has been knowingly looking for a guy that allows him to switch from base to nickel without swapping personnel. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 22 minutes ago, Virgil said: Send me a message and I’ll add you to the list for 2.0 probably starting next Saturday. As for Notre Dame, my dislike them is purely fan based and irrational. It always pissed me off to see them get a big bowl game and then get destroyed. I believe they need to be in a conference and subject to the same SOS as everyone else, including having something to win to qualify. That’s really the extent of it for me Yeah I get that, think a lot of other fans feel that way. They have definitely received better bowl bids than they should have in recent years. I do think there's a chance ND will get better in the next few years (Brian Kelly has finally settled in and modified his coaching style, the recruiting has been ticking up, and getting Marcus Freeman as our new DC was the steal of the offseason), but I'd prefer it didn't happen for a few years until we can play with those 3 or 4 elite teams. Thanks man, will do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyNoodles Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: And if there is a defensive mind in the NFL who has shown he is not afraid by undersized linebackers it is Sean McDermott. He wants his linebackers to cover and he has been knowingly looking for a guy that allows him to switch from base to nickel without swapping personnel. I get where you guys are coming from, it’s just that one of the general weaknesses of the team on D IMO is size. I’d like to see them getting bigger not smaller. I like a bigger DT and a bigger CB. We might get both this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 33 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Why Etienne over Harris guys? What am I missing here? Can't go wrong with either. Speed is what makes ETN a better fit in Buffalo, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 35 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Someone certainly could drop. I think it might be Rousseau myself but I can see why it could be JOK. My browns pick for Surratt in that mock was based mostly on Cleveland doesn’t seem to follow the same patterns mocks produce and I wasn’t positive I could snag him in the second. I have been hearing a lot of them running this 3 safety look. Mack Wilson, Surratt and a safety dropping down sounded fun to me. I read something I think by Daniel Jeremiah saying JOK possibly played around 200 pounds and teams weren’t sure if he’d be as good bulking up to 220+ where he’s listed. So my guess was JOK and Delpit would kinda occupy the same role in Cleveland’s defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, JimmyNoodles said: I get where you guys are coming from, it’s just that one of the general weaknesses of the team on D IMO is size. I’d like to see them getting bigger not smaller. I like a bigger DT and a bigger CB. We might get both this draft. I don't think you are going necessarily to get your wish. I do think they will take a space eater DT somewhere. They need an insurance plan in case Star comes back not in football shape. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I think Phillips won't even be on our board. He already retired from football once and has an extensive injury history. That's not a McDermott player. He could fall to our pick in the 2nd and we'd still pass on him. Doctors will determine the health risk. If they clear him, and clearly he’s an option in this exercise, so safe to say “the did”, he’s easily the most talented player on the board by a country mile, and just so happens to fill a need. That feels exactly like a Beane pick to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: My browns pick for Surratt in that mock was based mostly on Cleveland doesn’t seem to follow the same patterns mocks produce and I wasn’t positive I could snag him in the second. I have been hearing a lot of them running this 3 safety look. Mack Wilson, Surratt and a safety dropping down sounded fun to me. I read something I think by Daniel Jeremiah saying JOK possibly played around 200 pounds and teams weren’t sure if he’d be as good bulking up to 220+ where he’s listed. So my guess was JOK and Delpit would kinda occupy the same role in Cleveland’s defense. I don't hate passing on JOK with Cleveland. I think they need a middle linebacker not a hybrid will / nickel / dime. I think Nick Bolton makes a lot of sense there. It is just very early for Surratt for my money. I'd be surprised if he sneaks into round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) I’d be surprised if Beane went RB. We hardly used the ones we drafted the last 2 years and picked up Brieda. It’s a good mix of talent that will hopefully be utilized more effectively this season. I think we’re set there for now. Defense or TE would be my guess for the first couple picks and I’m hoping it’s more pass rushers since that was the big difference between our team and the 2 that made the SB last year Edited March 28, 2021 by NeverOutNick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't hate passing on JOK with Cleveland. I think they need a middle linebacker not a hybrid will / nickel / dime. I think Nick Bolton makes a lot of sense there. It is just very early for Surratt for my money. I'd be surprised if he sneaks into round 1. I think his upside has him in the 25-50 range. But I’m first to admit I don’t pay half the attention most of you guys do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, glazeduck said: he’s easily the most talented player on the board by a country mile, and just so happens to fill a need. That feels exactly like a Beane pick to me... Yeah but is he committed to football? Any question mark there takes him off our board. I have heard about potential character concerns with him too. Wouldn't surprise me if some team takes the risk in the 1st round because he has legit talent, but I highly doubt it will be the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, NewEra said: I really don’t think there’s any chance of JOK being there when we pick irl. Chazz Surratt was taken ahead of him for crying out loud. Possible? 🤣 I suppose, but not really. Chazz Surrat Top 30? I was thinking he might be a chance to still be there when the Bills are picking in the third... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I think his upside has him in the 25-50 range. But I’m first to admit I don’t pay half the attention most of you guys do. I mean Jordyn Brooks went in the 1st last year and I had him in similar territory grade wise so anything is possible. But I would be surprised. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 6’3, 185 - 4.4-4.3 speed. Great tackler... if he is there for us at # 30 would love this guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 This has gotten close. I like it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Virgil said: This has gotten close. I like it I just tied it up! 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 I did not expect it to be this close between this many guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 At least the consensus is DE just a lot of differing opinions on which one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costrovs Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, wppete said: 6’3, 185 - 4.4-4.3 speed. Great tackler... if he is there for us at # 30 would love this guy. Damn... Is it just me or have we been seeing an uptick in skinny players in the NFL?? Some of these players look like they have no muscles on their arms and legs.... I've seen high school football players with more muscle than some of these guys, jeez... edit- with those skinny a$$ arms and legs, I highly doubt he's gonna be able to tackle any RB that weighs more than 210lbs. Edited March 28, 2021 by costrovs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyNoodles Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, wppete said: 6’3, 185 - 4.4-4.3 speed. Great tackler... if he is there for us at # 30 would love this guy. My pick also with what was left on the board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 I’m just happy Harris wouldn’t be the pick of the two RBs. I just don’t see it with that kid 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 36 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Chazz Surrat Top 30? I was thinking he might be a chance to still be there when the Bills are picking in the third... Yeah, me too. That’s one of the reasons why I don’t like JOK being our pick. I saw him as a great potential target in rd 2 prior to resigning milano. Our pick in Round 3 would be a great value imo, but I don’t think he’ll fall that far But like others have said, strange things happen on draft day and these mocks and sims are often way off base compared to how things go down on draft day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Virgil said: I’m just happy Harris wouldn’t be the pick of the two RBs. I just don’t see it with that kid Seems like mid 2nd round value imo...and even then I wouldn’t want him because he wouldn’t compliment what we already have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Virgil said: I’m just happy Harris wouldn’t be the pick of the two RBs. I just don’t see it with that kid I see it. I just don’t see him as a good compliment to Moss. We need a speed element and Harris is not that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Jaelan Phillips is the best pure pass rusher in this draft and it’s not even close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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