Feliciano: "I don't see myself going anywhere else. I see myself as a Bill next year."

[NewEra]

Just now, Victory Formation said:

Agree to disagree is fine by me. I’m sure we’ll likely agree in some other thread on some other random topic, no love lost. I just think you’re salty over the Chiefs game. Chris Jones is what he is, probably the best DT in the NFL not named Aaron Donald.

You might be right.  There were just a bunch of times during the season where he just didn’t look like he belonged out there imo.  Completely overmatched. Kinlaw (who is a stud for sure) made him look stupid too.  
 

I view the chiefs as a team that we’ll likely have to play every year if we want to win the AFC. I don’t see how this matchup would be any different in years past.  For that reason, he’s worth 3-4M a year for me.  If I’m going to pay 7-8M for and interior lineman, I’d prefer one that excels in pass blocking, considering that we’ll likely be a pass first offense as long as we have 17 and 14.

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You might be right.  There were just a bunch of times during the season where he just didn’t look like he belonged out there imo.  Completely overmatched. Kinlaw (who is a stud for sure) made him look stupid too.  
 

I view the chiefs as a team that we’ll likely have to play every year if we want to win the AFC. I don’t see how this matchup would be any different in years past.  For that reason, he’s worth 3-4M a year for me.  If I’m going to pay 7-8M for and interior lineman, I’d prefer one that excels in pass blocking, considering that we’ll likely be a pass first offense as long as we have 17 and 14.

Possibility the injury may have impacted his play maybe a little more than we think/know also. 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Possibility the injury may have impacted his play maybe a little more than we think/know also. 

Agreed.

[PrimeTime101]

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Possibility the injury may have impacted his play maybe a little more than we think/know also. 

 

I'm kind of thinking the Ed Block Courage award may be a testament to that on the part of his teammates.

[GunnerBill]

17 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Seems grossly negligent to not put a quality line in front of your budding franchise QB. Especially when he likes the player in question. Did we not learn from Kansas City?

 

If we learned anything from Kansas City it is Feliciano can't pass protect

[Hapless Bills Fan]

16 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Even a slightly below average retread gets $5M. Any FA making less than that is likely a bottom of the barrel, backup lineman

 

Really?  And yet, there are only 10 right guards in the NFL who are averaging more than $5M/yr

Of course some of the good RGs in the league are rookies, or vets on a "prove it" deal, but still, it's pretty hard to support that contention.

 

[Victory Formation]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Really?  And yet, there are only 10 right guards in the NFL who are averaging more than $5M/yr

Of course some of the good RGs in the league are rookies, or vets on a "prove it" deal, but still, it's pretty hard to support that contention.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/guard/
 

Spotrac has 30.

Edited February 14, 2021 by Victory Formation

[Hapless Bills Fan]

54 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/guard/
 

Spotrac has 30.

 

That appears to be a list of guards - what part of the phrase "right guard" was confusing to you?

 

If you wish to speak guards in general, then there are 64 starters and you need to make the case that everyone below #30 is, as you contend, "bottom of the barrel, backup linemen"

 

Note that in general, RGs tend to get compensated a little less than LG just as RT tend to get compensated a bit less than LT.

[billsfan89]

20 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Even a slightly below average retread gets $5M. Any FA making less than that is likely a bottom of the barrel, backup lineman who will likely be a camp body at best. Feliciano can play guard and he can also play center, that versatility is extremely valuable.
 

Outside of being handled by Chris Jones, which I will absolutely admit, he got handled, but outside of that he looked like a quality lineman. Not an All Pro, but a respectable lineman to put in front of Josh. Not elite, but solid. I see no need to make a hole there, won’t find a better free agent for the money and we only have so many draft picks, which we would be wise to spend a 2nd or 3rd on a few linemen as is anyways. 
 

 

Competent guard play is not easy to find. Mongo is solidly above average, has chemistry with the rest of the oline (which is vastly important) and is beloved in the locker room. Give him a similar contract to Spain and I think both sides are happy. No reason to create more holes. 

[BuffBillsForLife]

Feliciano is a fan favorite, which doubtless weighs heavily on Brandon Beane's mind when he considers how he got absolutely mauled in the AFCCG.

[CNY315]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

16 minutes ago, CNY315 said:

 

 

Mongo, you little flirt you

[Mark Vader]

23 minutes ago, CNY315 said:

 

Good job for getting this out before @YoloinOhio 

[ExWNYer]

2 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Good job for getting this out before @YoloinOhio 

 

Is Yolo in concussion protocol? Anything short of that is no excuse for getting 'scooped'? 

[Mark Vader]

1 minute ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Is Yolo in concussion protocol? Anything short of that is no excuse for getting 'scooped'? 

Ohio State is not playing basketball today, so it is a mystery.

[whatdrought]

36 minutes ago, CNY315 said:

 

I consider it a great sign of my maturity that I didn’t assume this meant we had signed watt. 
 

also, could this mean we signed watt?

 

 

stupid. 

 

Edited February 15, 2021 by whatdrought

[Mark Vader]

3 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I consider it a great sign of my maturity that I didn’t assume this meant we had signed watt. 
 

also, could this mean we signed watt?

 

He just trolled all of us? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

He just trolled all of us? 

 

He just trolled all of us. 

Some of the responses he got are funny though.

 

My fav:

 

[whatdrought]

3 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

He just trolled all of us? 

I mean, in a sense of: “a slightly above replacement level guard indicated there may be news with regard to his looming contract situation only to post something non-sensical thus making a fan base that wasn’t convinced he was worth paying hate him.” 
 

yep. 😛
 

 

Also, still less of a troll than the weathermen who shut down the entire city of Louisville with predictions of 8-12” of snow only for 1” of sleet to show up. 
 

[Mark Vader]

2 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I mean, in a sense of: “a slightly above replacement level guard indicated there may be news with regard to his looming contract situation only to post something non-sensical thus making a fan base that wasn’t convinced he was worth paying hate him.” 
 

yep. 😛
 

 

Also, still less of a troll than the weathermen who shut down the entire city of Louisville with predictions of 8-12” of snow only for 1” of sleet to show up. 
 

I don't know, it was pretty funny.

[ExWNYer]

Just now, Mark Vader said:

I don't know, it was pretty funny.

 

Not news = vindication for Yolo...

 

😁

[BarleyNY]

On 2/12/2021 at 8:12 AM, Royale with Cheese said:

 

My bold prediction is Morse is cut.  Feliciano moves to center.

We sign at least one guard in FA/or draft one high that's starting material, I would think probably a bigger body guard.  Ford/Boettger/FA/Draft pick battle for two starting spots.

Agree on Morse.  I brought it up last offseason as a probability this season or next.  He has had major concussion issues and is overpaid even when healthy.  I get why the Bills paid him what they did when they did (it’s what they had to do), but cutting him before his deal is up would be the typical progression of that tactic.  The concussion issue was a known risk and it has worsened, which is almost certainly accelerating the process.  It’s a shame but it is what it is. 

[Buffalo716]

He should be running up mountains with tires on his back , in a snowstorm, with a gust of wind in his face....that's process 

 

Not playing video games

[Buffalo Barbarian]

 

Good

 

 

[billsfan89]

On 2/15/2021 at 5:58 PM, BarleyNY said:

Agree on Morse.  I brought it up last offseason as a probability this season or next.  He has had major concussion issues and is overpaid even when healthy.  I get why the Bills paid him what they did when they did (it’s what they had to do), but cutting him before his deal is up would be the typical progression of that tactic.  The concussion issue was a known risk and it has worsened, which is almost certainly accelerating the process.  It’s a shame but it is what it is. 

 

I think they attempt to restructure Mitch. He is still one of the top pass blocking centers in the league and a decent run blocker. Mitch also anchors the communication and does the little leadership things a center is expected to do. 

 

Mongo as center is not tragic but I think while there is a gain in run blocking there is a significant loss in pass blocking and leadership. Plus if you cut Mitch and move Mongo over you have a hole at one of the guard positions. 

 

I agree you have to attempt to rework Mitch's contract as his cap number is not manageable but he still has value to the team and at a lower cap number is worth the risk of injury. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 2/15/2021 at 11:18 PM, Buffalo716 said:

He should be running up mountains with tires on his back , in a snowstorm, with a gust of wind in his face....that's process 

 

Not playing video games

 

The snowstorm and mountains are hard to achieve in Florida. 

 

Would a beach run do instead, provided it's a truck tire?

[DefenseWins]

If I could only keep one I'd keep Feliciano but would very much like to keep both at least for another season. After that Morse's dead cap goes down significantly I believe. Feliciano is just so versatile.

[BarleyNY]

10 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I think they attempt to restructure Mitch. He is still one of the top pass blocking centers in the league and a decent run blocker. Mitch also anchors the communication and does the little leadership things a center is expected to do. 

 

Mongo as center is not tragic but I think while there is a gain in run blocking there is a significant loss in pass blocking and leadership. Plus if you cut Mitch and move Mongo over you have a hole at one of the guard positions. 

 

I agree you have to attempt to rework Mitch's contract as his cap number is not manageable but he still has value to the team and at a lower cap number is worth the risk of injury. 

I’d be good with a rework.  That might be the better option.  I guess it only depends on how worried they are about the concussion issue moving forward. 

[YoloinOhio]

🤔

 

 

[TPS]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

🤔

 

 

Interesting...CCComment...

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Pasaluki]

Feliciano rules and I hope they keep him. 

[Royale with Cheese]

On 3/2/2021 at 7:29 PM, YoloinOhio said:

🤔

 

 

 

Uh oh

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

LOL at this, I assume because of his comment on Gabe Jackson's release "I know he happy af rn" which can be read several ways:

 

[Logic]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Seems like a great teammate... but he’s an average at best starting lineman. I’d love him for depth purposes, really don’t want him starting anywhere on the line next season. 

This is one of those rare moments where I totally agree with Scott.

The coaching staff seems to love him for his leadership and demeanor, which....ok, fine. Purely as a player, though? I don't think he was particularly good last year. I'd much rather they put the money toward re-signing Daryl Williams than Feliciano. He played better AND plays a more important position.

Unfortunately, due to the love the front office has for Mongo and his apparent desire to re-sign here, I'm guessing he's locked in as one of the starting five in 2021 and beyond.

[Royale with Cheese]

10 minutes ago, Logic said:

This is one of those rare moments where I totally agree with Scott.

The coaching staff seems to love him for his leadership and demeanor, which....ok, fine. Purely as a player, though? I don't think he was particularly good last year. I'd much rather they put the money toward re-signing Daryl Williams than Feliciano. He played better AND plays a more important position.

Unfortunately, due to the love the front office has for Mongo and his apparent desire to re-sign here, I'm guessing he's locked in as one of the starting five in 2021 and beyond.

 

With the projected money that Feliciano is supposed to get, he's not getting that amount without it being based on performance.  

McDermott has no problem benching someone that isn't performing.  If Feliciano wasn't producing, he wouldn't have been out there.

If they re-sign him, he will start. 

[Logic]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

He was starting because they didn’t have better options behind him.... and I don’t necessarily agree with your “if he wasn’t producing he wouldn’t have been out there” comment. They started Winters a ***** ton of games and he was god awful. Finally he was benched later in the season. 
 

Agreed.

 

Coaches are not infallible. Just because a coach or team likes a player doesn’t mean they are always correct. Winters is a great example.

 

As I said before, the coaches have indicated that Feliciano sets a tone and an example with his nastiness and toughness. That’s great. As far as being a highly effective offensive guard, though? I dunno. I didn’t see it this year.

 

Maybe in a year where the Bills weren’t pinching pennies I wouldn’t mind. But given that every spare dime counts this year and that the o-line and running game needs improvement, I’m just not too wild about re-signing what seems to be a pretty average guard.

Edited March 4, 2021 by Logic

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

He was starting because they didn’t have better options behind him.... and I don’t necessarily agree with your “if he wasn’t producing he wouldn’t have been out there” comment. They started Winters a ***** ton of games and he was god awful. Finally he was benched later in the season. 
 

I hope they don’t pay him because they need to get better inside.... and I don’t think the addition of a healthy Ford does much of anything. 

 

They sat Morse when healthy lol.  Yeah, Winters was also benched.  Spain was also benched.  He will move people around if he has to.  Ryan Bates offers flexibility as well.

He's not a star or anything but he's going to get a decent contract.  The way you're talking, he should get league minimum.

But you usually are very hard on Bills players....like you saying Zack Moss is an UDFA level player.

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Agreed.

 

Coaches are not infallible. Just because a coach or team likes a player doesn’t mean they are always correct. Winters is a great example.

 

As I said before, the coaches have indicated that Feliciano sets a tone and an example with his nastiness and toughness. That’s great. As far as being a highly effective offensive guard, though? I dunno. I didn’t see it this year.

 

Maybe in a year where the Bills weren’t pinching pennies I wouldn’t mind. But given that every spare dime counts this year and that the o-line and running game needs improvement, I’m just not too wild about re-signing what seems to be a pretty average guard.

 

Coaches aren't infallible but you're suggesting they don't have enough sense to understand the player needs to perform.

"Well he's not very good when he plays and hurts us on the field...but he's tough so lets pay him a nice contract". 

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I'd rather use my limited resources elsewhere then resign a limited OG who was abused at times last season. 

 

Well if he's as bad as you say he is, then we won't resign him and he will probably get back up money somewhere in the range of what Ike Boettger would make on the open market.  Scott, if you see it on the broadcast view then every GM/scout will see him getting abused on film when they specifically study him.