YoloinOhio Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Congrats to Kevin Stefanski. It's not easy following Hue Jackson, Gregg Williams, and Freddie Kitchens. Stefanski did a great job this year. I’m not a browns fan at all but I like him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Oh cool more Hail Murray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Is there a list of the awards, nominees, and winners somewhere? 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Oh cool more Hail Murray ? Alex Smith "Comeback Player of the Year", I can get behind that 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Brian Flores getting any COY votes at all is a joke. How? He shouldn't win it, but he led one of the worst rosters in the league, at least on offense, to a 10-6 record. Looking at that team on paper I don't see how they had more than 6 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Process said: How? He shouldn't win it, but he led one of the worst rosters in the league, at least on offense, to a 10-6 record. Looking at that team on paper I don't see how they had more than 6 wins. They're like the Bills were in 2017, they won a lot on defensive play, ST, and turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Process said: How? He shouldn't win it, but he led one of the worst rosters in the league, at least on offense, to a 10-6 record. Looking at that team on paper I don't see how they had more than 6 wins. Made some of the worst rookie QB decisions I've ever seen from a coach. Either start Tua or don't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: They're like the Bills were in 2017, they won a lot on defensive play, ST, and turnovers. True, it was definitely a bit of a fluke. But he should get some credit. Just now, HappyDays said: Made some of the worst rookie QB decisions I've ever seen from a coach. Either start Tua or don't. They completely botched the QB situation I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Process said: True, it was definitely a bit of a fluke. But he should get some credit. They completely botched the QB situation I agree. Tua's their guy 🙂 Herbert just won Offensive ROY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 I think Herbert is real good and LAC are going to the battle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 How many times has Aaron Donald won Defensive POY? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thronethinker Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Awards are second best trophies for people/teams/fans that did not win the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 https://www.nfl.com/news/list-of-nfl-honors-award-winners-from-2020-season 14 minutes ago, Warcodered said: How many times has Aaron Donald won Defensive POY? 3 I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, gobills404 said: This was the correct outcome. Josh was the clear #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Just now, Process said: This was the correct outcome. Josh was the clear #2. Based on what? Brand name? Statistically, they were essentially indistinguishable. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Just now, mannc said: Based on what? Brand name? Statistically, they were essentially indistinguishable. I meant it as a positive. The clear #2 ahead of Mahomes. Allen and Rodgers had the better seasons and were way more valuable to their teams. I assumed Mahomes would get the second most votes so was pleasantly surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Just now, Process said: I meant it as a positive. The clear #2 ahead of Mahomes. Allen and Rodgers had the better seasons and were way more valuable to their teams. I assumed Mahomes would get the second most votes so was pleasantly surprised. I was referring to Rodgers vs Allen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 47 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Tua's their guy 🙂 Herbert just won Offensive ROY I’m just glad the Dolphins were idiotic enough to draft Tua instead of Herbert. Makes the Bills job a lot easier. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Process said: How? He shouldn't win it, but he led one of the worst rosters in the league, at least on offense, to a 10-6 record. Looking at that team on paper I don't see how they had more than 6 wins. Getting absolutely boat raced in a must win game vs a bills team sitting a handful key defenders from the start and all the starters by the half, immediately disqualified him IMO. at that point how can you even consider him amongst the top guys shown during the show. Edited February 7, 2021 by Stank_Nasty 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: Getting absolutely boat raced in a must win game vs a bills team sitting a handful key defenders from the start and all the starters by the half, immediately disqualified him IMO. at that point how can you even consider him amongst the top guys shown during the show. Fair point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Well Russel Wilson missed out on getting an MVP vote but got the WPMOY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 McD not getting Coach of the Year is a joke. The Browns finished in 3rd place. They were supposed to make the playoffs....in 2019. And had the roster to do so this year and needed to play the Steelers minus Ben to get in. We go 6-0 in division. Play one of the hardest schedules in the league. Fell to 7-3 after the Hail Murray.....then proceed to not lose again until the AFC Championship game. Joke. 3 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 3 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Agreed... just gotta hope they don’t get Watson. Would probably make them division favorites. No it wouldn’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 14 hours ago, Rc2catch said: Of course we’d have two of the biggest highlight plays against us 🤦♂️ And we lost both those games But we won 13 so who cares ? 13 hours ago, White Linen said: I mean who wouldn't show off AA cups? If she would learn to love the meat she wouldn't be so skinny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Stefanski beating McDermott strikes me as very strange - maybe the former called a better game in the divisional round compared to the latter in the championship round but it’s meant to be about the season as a whole. I’m surprised of the vote count difference between Rodgers and Josh as well. Maybe I’m biased on both counts but feel Josh should have been much closer at the very least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 As far as Coach of the year, on the main page there is a nice article from Syracuse’s paper this morning that underlines why McDermott should’ve definitely received the award over Stefanski. McD in her item a mess in 17, turned our team around from a 17 year drought, has now made 3 of 4 years, won the AFCE, a first in 25 years, and made it back to the AFCCG. Stefanski had the #1 pick in Mayfield from 18, Myles Garrett, a stud from day 1, possible the best RB tandem in the league, and a lot of talent, and we still went 13-3, to their wins. We also won two playoff games, whereas the Browns lost. The last point I remember is we finished 6-0 in division to their 3-3 record. In what way did McD not deserve coach of the year? Like Allen, he’ll have many more chances for it, and 5 years from now, the Pegulas will be calling McBeane (both of them), are you boys ready for another 5 years. Just think positively we will have our GM, HC, and franchise QB for a total of 13 years before we ever enter a carousel again, and then some. You're our HC of the year Mr. McD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 All I've heard the last couple years about the Browns is how talented the team is, perhaps the MOST talented in the entire league a good many analysts have stated! If this is the case, why does Stefanski get so much credit? It is pretty obvious from the record that the coach of the year got outperformed by at least McDermott and perhaps others. The media got going on him mid-season as the favorite and didn't let up. Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bermuda Triangle Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 11 hours ago, Big Blitz said: McD not getting Coach of the Year is a joke. The Browns finished in 3rd place. They were supposed to make the playoffs....in 2019. And had the roster to do so this year and needed to play the Steelers minus Ben to get in. We go 6-0 in division. Play one of the hardest schedules in the league. Fell to 7-3 after the Hail Murray.....then proceed to not lose again until the AFC Championship game. Joke. All year, we kept on reading how poor the Bills' point differential was. Cleveland finished at -11 for the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 I don't understand the award Josh received. Can anyone explain it to me? Use small words and speak slowly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 36 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: All year, we kept on reading how poor the Bills' point differential was. Cleveland finished at -11 for the season. Ill give you another one from my earlier post. The Bills were 6-3 against teams with a winning record after week 17. The Browns, 2-4. If you include the playoffs, the Browns were 3-7, and the Bills, 8-4! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Agreed... just gotta hope they don’t get Watson. Would probably make them division favorites. You can't make this ***** up. Maybe you should go back and watch week 17 again. Watson doesn't close that gap. Edited February 7, 2021 by Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 12 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Agreed... just gotta hope they don’t get Watson. Would probably make them division favorites. There’s the guy we all remember. ..... They better hope Watson can help their defense because Allen made them look pop Warner twice last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: All I've heard the last couple years about the Browns is how talented the team is, perhaps the MOST talented in the entire league a good many analysts have stated! If this is the case, why does Stefanski get so much credit? It is pretty obvious from the record that the coach of the year got outperformed by at least McDermott and perhaps others. The media got going on him mid-season as the favorite and didn't let up. Shame. Because last year the talent didn't matter. Cleveland went from 6-10 to 11-5. Ended a 18 year playoff drought and won a playoff game. The talent from last year to this year didn't change much. Only thing that changed was the coach. Add in that Stefanski did all that without an offseason and without a preseason as a first time head coach. Mcdermott is a great coach, and he would have deserved it too, but he has had his system in place for 4 years now makes this offseason situation a lot easier to manage. Edited February 7, 2021 by cle23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 hours ago, cle23 said: Because last year the talent didn't matter. Cleveland went from 6-10 to 11-5. Ended a 18 year playoff drought and won a playoff game. The talent from last year to this year didn't change much. Only thing that changed was the coach. Add in that Stefanski did all that without an offseason and without a preseason as a first time head coach. Mcdermott is a great coach, and he would have deserved it too, but he has had his system in place for 4 years now makes this offseason situation a lot easier to manage. I'm going with the guy who won his division with a 13-3 record and unseated a dynasty of 20 years. No award from me for competent coaching instead of incompetent. Oh and McDermott did it with a less talented team. SMDH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: I'm going with the guy who won his division with a 13-3 record and unseated a dynasty of 20 years. No award from me for competent coaching instead of incompetent. Oh and McDermott did it with a less talented team. SMDH Unseated a 7-9 team with hot garbage at QB. I honestly have no clue how they even ended up at 7-9. McDermott is a great coach. Imagine, the Browns were planning to hire him instead of Hue Jackson until Haslam stepped in. As I said, McDermott was fully deserving of the award. If he would have won it I would have completely understood. But it's amazing seeing people act like Stefanski did an "ok" job this year. He completely changed the team and the culture. In one year. Without any offseason at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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