Backup QB... The most under-the-radar, enticing offseason storyline.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

58 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Get me Blake Bortles.  He’s like Josh as a  rookie, which is still a good fit for the scheme, even if slightly limited.  Far better than Barkley in my opinion. 

“Get me Blake Bortles,” said no one ever. 

Edited February 1, 2021 by Miyagi-Do Karate

[Doc]

20 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

That is why he will be signed.  Just like in politics sometimes the 2nd is there more to give confidence to #1.  Starting QB is one with an inferiority complex and is afraid he is going to be pulled so team has a #2 no one wants to replace him. What is great about that for team if #1 goes out with season ending injury no one expects much for season so team will not be accused as tanking.  

 

 

Potential.  

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Fromm was a 5th round pick and no one saw him play in even pre-season action.  If they didn't think he had talent, they would have cut him and no one would have signed him to their 53-man roster.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

“Get me Blake Bortles,” said no one ever. 

 

Well apparently, the chap you're responding to: "Hold My Beer"

[Punching Bag]

22 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Fromm was a 5th round pick and no one saw him play in even pre-season action.  If they didn't think he had talent, they would have cut him and no one would have signed him to their 53-man roster.

 

I was being sarcastic in my argument, sorry you did not notice.

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

I was being sarcastic in my argument, sorry you did not notice.

 

I got the sarcasm in the first part...

[BuffaninSarasota]

7 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

As someone who watched Davis Webb a little at Cal, he is definitely the most talented of the three. I also think that the really stupid tweets from Fromm last year that came out after the draft *might* (emphasis on might) have soured the team a little. Maybe not. I guess I’d bet on Webb — who Daboll REALLY talked up late in the season — as #2 and Barkley as a 3. They can PS Fromm, right?

Just wondering- did you see any of Fromm’s games at UGA? Also, IMHO any continued mention of his tweets is overblown at this point - that ship has sailed. For a team built on culture, if there was any possibility of the team “souring” on him, he would not have lasted.

[Orlando Tim]

I see how Barkley is a great locker room presence but can't we pay him a million as a position coach or something? I know 2 million is not a lot of the cap but I would rather use it on another guy and keep Davis and Fromm since if Josh goes down we are screwed.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

*Glass Shatters*
 

BHAW GOD KING, IT’S RYAN FITZPATRICK 

[ganesh]

7 hours ago, Steptide said:

If there's one qb I never wanna see in a bills uniform again it's Tyrod. He's ok, but the memories of screaming at my TV to throw the ball are to fresh. I'd take Fitz back over Tyrod. Problem with Fitz is he always starts no matter where he lands 

Tyrod doesn't throw picks,   Fitz throws untimely picks. 

 

For this organization,  Tyrod type backup player would be better.

[Mr. WEO]

Let Barkley walk.  Keep the Mrs.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

30 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Let Barkley walk.  Keep the Mrs.

 

Really.  It sounds as though the Bills ought to hire her as Player Outreach for Families or something like that.  I think they might be a package deal though.

[purple haze]

I think there’s a good chance Beane adds another QB to that room, specifically one who can run the offense in a way that is similar to Allen.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

22 minutes ago, purple haze said:

I think there’s a good chance Beane adds another QB to that room, specifically one who can run the offense in a way that is similar to Allen.  

 

Who do you have in mind for that task?

[John from Riverside]

6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I feel the need for a thread of Football Daffy-nitions

 

This can go first:

 

Starting QB: backup QB who wins 4 out of 5 games

 

I am not looking at it as a 16 game season break down percentage thing.

 

A backup QB is that guy who can win you some games before teams start to game plan for them and then their QB production plumments.....

 

but......to make this a little easier....how about a QB that wont LOSE you 4 out of 5 games....if you can run the damn ball and play good defense you can do this.

[BobbyC81]

12 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Watch the Pats on this front. Just saying.

Yes, he needs to complete the AFC East cycle before he retires.

[dave mcbride]

11 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

Just wondering- did you see any of Fromm’s games at UGA? Also, IMHO any continued mention of his tweets is overblown at this point - that ship has sailed. For a team built on culture, if there was any possibility of the team “souring” on him, he would not have lasted.

I did see a few of his games. He didn’t really impress me as a thrower.

[Rochesterfan]

18 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Interesting post.

 

Please to note that Matt Barkley is an UDFA.  After the 2018 season, he signed a 2 year, $4M contract. 

 

So in terms of him being the favorite because "it's his job now", not so fast....he has to decide what kind of money he thinks he wants and whether he has interest from anyone besides the Bills, then the Bills have to consider how much they are willing to give him.  I don't know the answer to either of those questions, but he doesn't quite seem like a "sho-in" to me.  I could see him being a cap casualty, so to speak, especially if he gets another offer.

 

I feel that Jake Fromm "took one for the team" in a big way this season, and as a reward he deserves a fair chance to win or lose the backup job.

 

When we hear about Davis Webb, we always hear about how great he was organizing and running the off season workouts, calling the receivers in the off-season and making sure they were all up in the playbook (he can do that because he's a player, not a coach), playing multiple roles on the Scout team (Scout team Safety!!!).   We don't hear about how he's slinging it as a QB.

 

McDermott did make a point of emphasis that Webb is a "developmental QB" in the league.  Accuracy seemed to be the knock on him, but we've seen that can be improved. 

 

Webb was drafted 87th overall in 2017.  Each time he lost his roster spot (Giants after 2017,  Jets after 2018), it was accompanied by a HC/OC change.  Those guys usually want to bring in their own developmental talent.  In 2018, the Giants drafted Kyle Lauletta and kicked Webb to the curb.  In 2019, Gase brought in David Fales, who I believe played under Gase in Chicago and in Miami.  So it probably had less to do with Webb's objective talent and potential vs. these guys, and more to do with the new regime wanting "their guy" in there.

 

I had kind of thought Webb would be in line to be a coaching assistant, but it's an advantage for the Bills to keep him as a player if we're going to have another covid-curtailed off-season. 

 

 

 

 

 

Hap - spot on take.  I think the Bills would like Barkley back, but I am not sure they want to pay him any more than they did these last 2 years and may think there is small savings to be had.

 

I think the Bills have their 3 guys under contract and will be looking to add a camp body at this point.  If that extra body is Barkley - great for him, but it would not shock me to see someone else fill that role.  

[Rochesterfan]

11 hours ago, ganesh said:

Tyrod doesn't throw picks,   Fitz throws untimely picks. 

 

For this organization,  Tyrod type backup player would be better.

 

Tyrod doesn’t throw picks because he won’t throw the ball.  He would be literally one of the worst QBs to put into a pass first/limited run offense.

 

If Tyrod wants to be a back-up - he should go to Baltimore where the QB runs more than passes - that is where he fits.  Not on a pass first - high volume passing attack.  It would look like the Jacksonville playoff game all over again.

 

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[HOUSE]

Its amazing to me that the Bills would draft a QB that never made the field and some people would rather move on.

 

A new Message board low....😁

[Mr. WEO]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Really.  It sounds as though the Bills ought to hire her as Player Outreach for Families or something like that.  I think they might be a package deal though.

 

Maybe the culture needs to change:  a little less love and process and more business.  After a year of love and dancing and fun, they kind of laid an egg in their biggest game--literally got slapped around.  

5 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Its amazing to me that the Bills would draft a QB that never made the field and some people would rather move on.

 

A new Message board low....😁

 

Drafting Fromm was a waste--Josh/Bills needed more weapons....

[C.Biscuit97]

Matt Barkley best characteristic is he’s a really nice guy. His career qb rating is 66.6!!! 
 

backup qb is the weakest position on this team and it’s not hard to do better. 

[HOUSE]

10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Matt Barkley best characteristic is he’s a really nice guy. His career qb rating is 66.6!!! 
 

backup qb is the weakest position on this team and it’s not hard to do better. 

 

TJ Yates has a new coaching gig so he is not an option anymore

[BuffaloRebound]

Back-up QB might be the least important off-season decision.  If Josh gets hurt, we are screwed regardless of who the back-up QB is.  If Barkley’s OK with $1m per year and he helps Josh get better, then bring him back.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

37 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Matt Barkley best characteristic is he’s a really nice guy. His career qb rating is 66.6!!! 
 

backup qb is the weakest position on this team and it’s not hard to do better. 

 

OK, who do you suggest? 

And critically this season, how much money would they request?

 

If it's not hard to do better, not hard to come up with some names

[C.Biscuit97]

17 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Back-up QB might be the least important off-season decision.  If Josh gets hurt, we are screwed regardless of who the back-up QB is.  If Barkley’s OK with $1m per year and he helps Josh get better, then bring him back.  

Might want to tell the saints that who have gone like 7-0 in games Drew Brees missed the past 2 years.

 

obviously, it’s a huge downgrade if your backup plays. But Barkley is one of the worst qbs in the nfl (super nice guy).  You can do so much better.

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Might want to tell the saints that who have gone like 7-0 in games Drew Brees missed the past 2 years.

 

obviously, it’s a huge downgrade if your backup plays. But Barkley is one of the worst qbs in the nfl (super nice guy).  You can do so much better.

Who?

[C.Biscuit97]

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OK, who do you suggest? 

And critically this season, how much money would they request?

 

If it's not hard to do better, not hard to come up with some names

Winston 

dalton

Fitz

brisett

Newton

Tribusky 

Joe Flacco

 

because the Bills are legit SB contenders and have awesome receivers, they can get a guy for less with the chance to be on a SB contender and potentially get some starts on a SB caliber roster that could could led to a starting job the following season. 
 

 

[T master]

Not sure how much a players wife enters into Beane's thoughts of the team per say but believe he does notice her as someone close to the team that can help out in ways as far as making new players wives comfortable and is also a asset to the community surrounding the Bills contributions to it .

 

Barkley has been a great team guy but has come up short on ways when on the field no matter where he has been given the other QB's on the roster i would like to see them get some more reps they know what Matt is the others maybe not so much .

 

If the article is a good report of what Davis is i think McBeane will want to see more possibly because they always talk what's best for the team moving forward and if he or Fromm are the guy they will be much cheaper than Matt in a yr when money is a object due to the cap shrinking a bit .

[Doc]

I've been saying that if Barkley has been a help to Josh and worth keeping around in that role, they could easily kick him into a(n assistant QB) coaching position.  Daboll and Dorsey may not be with the Bills after the coming season.

[dave mcbride]

10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Winston 

dalton

Fitz

brisett

Newton

Tribusky 

Joe Flacco

 

because the Bills are legit SB contenders and have awesome receivers, they can get a guy for less with the chance to be on a SB contender and potentially get some starts on a SB caliber roster that could could led to a starting job the following season. 
 

 

Flacco is absolutely terrible now and just collecting game checks.

[C.Biscuit97]

13 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Flacco is absolutely terrible now and just collecting game checks.

Terrible Flacco this year: 80.6 qb on the crappy Jets. Trust me, I’m not arguing he’s good. I just think Barkley (really nice guy) is really really bad and barely nfl caliber. 
 

this is a first world problem and it’s nice to have. But I would be terrified if he had to play. Those other guys aren’t great but they are better than Barkley. 
 

it’s weird that in every other position you try to get the best possible players. But at qb, you get the non threatening, nice, get along with the starter guy regardless of ability. It’s amazing how many terrible guys stay in the nfl. I mean good for them I guess. 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Terrible Flacco this year: 80.6 qb on the crappy Jets. Trust me, I’m not arguing he’s good. I just think Barkley (really nice guy) is really really bad and barely nfl caliber. 
 

this is a first world problem and it’s nice to have. But I would be terrified if he had to play. Those other guys aren’t great but they are better than Barkley. 
 

it’s weird that in every other position you try to get the best possible players. But at qb, you get the non threatening, nice, get along with the starter guy regardless of ability. It’s amazing how many terrible guys stay in the nfl. I mean good for them I guess. 

 

Doesn't matter what his rating is, he was 0-4 and his only good performance (against the Cheaters) saw him throw the game away.  The point being, a backup won't be winning you many games if the team around him is terrible.  But in the Bills' case, without a running game, likely no backup QB would have been able to do what Josh was able to do, and that's why I think he's the true MVP.

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Doesn't matter what his rating is, he was 0-4 and his only good performance (against the Cheaters) saw him throw the game away.  The point being, a backup won't be winning you many games if the team around him is terrible.  But in the Bills' case, without a running game, likely no backup QB would have been able to do what Josh was able to do, and that's why I think he's the true MVP.

So Flacco would have went 0-4 on the Bills? I guarantee he would have won some of his starts here. It’s worlds apart between us and the Jets. Same thing with Cam (who’s arm might just be shot). You are leaving a bottom 5 offensive situation for a top 5ish one. 

[Doc]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

So Flacco would have went 0-4 on the Bills? I guarantee he would have won some of his starts here. It’s worlds apart between us and the Jets. Same thing with Cam (who’s arm might just be shot). You are leaving a bottom 5 offensive situation for a top 5ish one. 

 

Maybe not 0-4 but I doubt he wins more than 1. 

[BuffaloRebound]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Might want to tell the saints that who have gone like 7-0 in games Drew Brees missed the past 2 years.

 

obviously, it’s a huge downgrade if your backup plays. But Barkley is one of the worst qbs in the nfl (super nice guy).  You can do so much better.

Brees routinely got subbed out when he was healthy and was an extremely limited QB at the end.  Josh is our offense.  Not saying Barkley couldn’t be upgraded, but given the Bills current cap situation and the fact that we have no running game, whatever money we spend on upgrading Barkley could be put to a better use.  

[dave mcbride]

42 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Terrible Flacco this year: 80.6 qb on the crappy Jets. Trust me, I’m not arguing he’s good. I just think Barkley (really nice guy) is really really bad and barely nfl caliber. 
 

this is a first world problem and it’s nice to have. But I would be terrified if he had to play. Those other guys aren’t great but they are better than Barkley. 
 

it’s weird that in every other position you try to get the best possible players. But at qb, you get the non threatening, nice, get along with the starter guy regardless of ability. It’s amazing how many terrible guys stay in the nfl. I mean good for them I guess. 

Barkley was 80.9 this year. 

[C.Biscuit97]

12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Barkley was 80.9 this year. 

21 passes. 😉 

20 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Brees routinely got subbed out when he was healthy and was an extremely limited QB at the end.  Josh is our offense.  Not saying Barkley couldn’t be upgraded, but given the Bills current cap situation and the fact that we have no running game, whatever money we spend on upgrading Barkley could be put to a better use.  

I mean Brees did account for 53 tds in 23 games the last 2 seasons but I see your point. 
 

and I know it’s nitpicking but with a SB caliber team, i think it’s a sneaky big need. Barkley has won 2 games in his career and his arm simply isn’t nfl caliber.  
 

we’ve been real lucky with Allen not getting anything major. But it would a shame to have a championship season ruined by not upgrading that position. JMO. 

[dave mcbride]

11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

21 passes. 😉 

I mean Brees did account for 53 tds in 23 games the last 2 seasons but I see your point. 
 

and I know it’s nitpicking but with a SB caliber team, i think it’s a sneaky big need. Barkley has won 2 games in his career and his arm simply isn’t nfl caliber.  
 

we’ve been real lucky with Allen not getting anything major. But it would a shame to have a championship season ruined by not upgrading that position. JMO. 

I am going to go out on a limb and say that we already have a decent backup on the team: Davis Webb. He has a year in our system too. 

[YoloinOhio]

I think it will be Fromm and Davis Webb battling it out in TC. 

[Mark80]

No, the back-up QB is not the most under-the-radar or enticing off-season story line.  I could not care less who our backup QB is.  If Josh goes down we are screwed, end of story.  Do not waste valuable salary cap money on an expensive backup QB, especially when the Cap is projected to go down.

Edited February 3, 2021 by Mark80