Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 This didn't quite soak in during the game. We had 126 rush yards overall, which is respectable 32 rush yards from our RBs. 15 from Yeldon on 3 carries 17 from Singletary on 6 carries 88 from Josh Allen on 7 carries We have no rushing game While our strength is our passing game -- it's axiomatic that if a team has a weakness that the D doesn't need to account for, they can blanket and take away other aspects more easily 8 1 5 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Been saying this for awhile; the lack of RB production is an achilles heel to this team. You still need a relative threat of balance. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This didn't quite soak in during the game. We had 126 rush yards overall, which is respectable 32 rush yards from our RBs. 15 from Yeldon on 3 carries 17 from Singletary on 6 carries 88 from Josh Allen on 7 carries We have no rushing game While our strength is our passing game -- it's axiomatic that if a team has a weakness that the D doesn't need to account for, they can blanket and take away other aspects more easily Exactly why it pisses me off that some Bills fans have said in the past that we don't need to upgrade the run game. Our run game has been complete ***** all year. We need a much better RB1 next year. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I'd like to see them try to keep Devonta Freeman in the offseason. If he can get healthy and back to his 2018 form, he might be dangerous again, but it's a big if worth trying. It would be nice to get another RB with Moss and maybe Devin doesn't make the team. I'm not sure Wade will pan out, but next year is his last and he will either be on the roster or cut, no PS. He's getting old. Looking around the NFL, Lindsay from Denver would be a good pickup, perhaps Carson. I wouldn't mind if Harris (AL) dropped I'd snag him in the first. If Ettiene is around in the middle of the 2nd I'd trade up, but we definitely could use some speed and a breakaway threat out of the backfield. Currently we don't have any #1's back there and we need one. The run game ended up hurting our offense overall. We need more balance and a true threat at TE. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I’m telling you guys...pick 30 should be in play for RB and yes I’m aware there are plenty of needs on D 5 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Well yeah, going into this game I saw a stat that only 1 team in history managed to make it to the SB averaging this few rushing yards from RB's. You don't have to be great, but you need to at least have the ability to field a rushing attack at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This didn't quite soak in during the game. We had 126 rush yards overall, which is respectable 32 rush yards from our RBs. 15 from Yeldon on 3 carries 17 from Singletary on 6 carries 88 from Josh Allen on 7 carries We have no rushing game While our strength is our passing game -- it's axiomatic that if a team has a weakness that the D doesn't need to account for, they can blanket and take away other aspects more easily Its been a problem all season long, how many long runs did we see from either Singletary or Moss. We need a new feature back next season with some speed 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 We have no concept of the running game. I am sure wherever he interviewed he was asked about the run game. Daboll needs a run game coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 NFL playoff games show team weaknesses. The Bills were exposed. 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Been saying this for awhile; the lack of RB production is an achilles heel to this team. You still need a relative threat of balance. Lack of Offensive line production in the running game too. Both aspects need to be worked on. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, BillsRdue said: I'd like to see them try to keep Devonta Freeman in the offseason. If he can get healthy and back to his 2018 form, he might be dangerous again, but it's a big if worth trying. It would be nice to get another RB with Moss and maybe Devin doesn't make the team. I'm not sure Wade will pan out, but next year is his last and he will either be on the roster or cut, no PS. He's getting old. Looking around the NFL, Lindsay from Denver would be a good pickup, perhaps Carson. I wouldn't mind if Harris (AL) dropped I'd snag him in the first. If Ettiene is around in the middle of the 2nd I'd trade up, but we definitely could use some speed and a breakaway threat out of the backfield. Currently we don't have any #1's back there and we need one. The run game ended up hurting our offense overall. We need more balance and a true threat at TE. I disagree only on the freeman part. Lot of speedy decent backs in free agency this offseason. Jeff Wilson from San Fran I think is hitting free agency. Brieda has some speed. Lindsay is speedy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Maybe we should stop drafting these small, slow ass RBs. 7 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This didn't quite soak in during the game. We had 126 rush yards overall, which is respectable 32 rush yards from our RBs. 15 from Yeldon on 3 carries 17 from Singletary on 6 carries 88 from Josh Allen on 7 carries We have no rushing game While our strength is our passing game -- it's axiomatic that if a team has a weakness that the D doesn't need to account for, they can blanket and take away other aspects more easily Thats what made this game so odd to me...the chiefs pretty much just single covered everyone with a safety over the top they didn't at all sell out to stop the pass...that is the worst way to scheme against our offense and their secondary just played out of their minds lol I didn't at all expect that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I wonder if Beane looked at Fournette mid season? He is what we need and I seem to recall he was picked up cheap 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, billsherd said: We have no concept of the running game. I am sure wherever he interviewed he was asked about the run game. Daboll needs a run game coordinator. Have you seen how slow to the line either back is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: NFL playoff games show team weaknesses. The Bills were exposed. I wouldnt even say we were exposed...offensively at least. The chiefs weren't doing anything creative on the back end they just had a great game defensively. They didn't really create some blueprint for other teams to follow when they play us 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, Aussie Joe said: I wonder if Beane looked at Fournette mid season? He is what we need and I seem to recall he was picked up cheap He was but many people on this site thought he would not fit in, great size/speed combo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Hardly shocking. Did anyone think we had a respectable running game before this game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I would have liked to see Yeldon get a few more opportunities to run. He at least moves forward when running. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 According to ESPNs next gen stats, our line ranked 29th in run block win rate. Despite that, we finished 9th in yards per carry by running backs according to pro football outsiders. Spending a high pick or decent money on a RB would be a complete waste. www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29939464/2020-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings%3fplatform=amp https://www.footballoutsiders.com/foplus/dvoa-database/basic-offensive-defensive-line-stats?year=2020&offense_defense=overall 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Thats what made this game so odd to me...the chiefs pretty much just single covered everyone with a safety over the top they didn't at all sell out to stop the pass...that is the worst way to scheme against our offense and their secondary just played out of their minds lol I didn't at all expect that. IMHO and just based on watching during the game......this reminded me of the first half of the Steelers game where Josh just lacked that extra fraction of a second to set and make a more accurate pass. We were able to make adjustments in the 2nd half of the Steelers game. Today, Not So Much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 It’s not all the running backs. The line is built for pass blocking and usually does that well...today, not so much. Barry Sanders would be meh with this run blocking. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: He was but many people on this site thought he would not fit in, great size/speed combo Fournette is not a process guy. The guy is a punk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, gobills404 said: According to ESPNs next gen stats, our line ranked 29th in run block win rate. Despite that, we finished 9th in yards per carry by running backs according to pro football outsiders. Spending a high pick or decent money on a RB would be a complete waste. www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29939464/2020-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings%3fplatform=amp https://www.footballoutsiders.com/foplus/dvoa-database/basic-offensive-defensive-line-stats?year=2020&offense_defense=overall I did a deep dive into several games and my conclusion was that we were getting stuffed in the run largely because of our OL losing on run blocking against the better DLs. I haven't done this for all the games, and we improved after the bye. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, purple haze said: Lack of Offensive line production in the running game too. Both aspects need to be worked on. ^this. Our OL was one of the best PassPro units in the league this year. A huge reason why Allen’s passing stats were so prolific. However, upgrading the RB while retaining the OL unit and scheme won’t yield much difference. If you want a run game start with the line. Our scheme and run blocking were atrocious. For that matter, both lines could use some serious targeted investment... Edited January 25, 2021 by ctk232 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Have you seen how slow to the line either back is? Maybe that's by design. They need to do better job of opening holes for RBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Fournette is not a process guy. The guy is a punk. Diggs was talked about the same way, that is total nonsense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 It was exposed, but not unexpected. You dance with who brung ya at this point though, and I’m not sure the Bills did that tonight. Josh Allen not having at least one rushing TD in this game was inexcusable. Daboll was hugely underwhelming tonight, and McD couldn’t resist extremely conservative decisions when it was obvious TDs were going to be needed. The Bills will want to address the RB spot in the off-season, but I believe tonight’s game was winnable with the players they had. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 We have no rushing game, great thread. Completely agree. Is it Daboll or just the backs? Maybe it's the backs because if they were better then Daboll would trust them more? Who knows, but you can't be this unbalanced. Chiefs beat us with the run when needed both games this year. We beat nobody with the run, all games this year. Am I reading correctly that Kenyan Drake will be a free agent? Give me him over anybody if that's the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: How many did the Chiefs have? Permit me to empower you https://nflcdns.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/58500/KC_Gamebook.pdf 1 minute ago, Nelius said: We have no rushing game, great thread. Completely agree. Is it Daboll or just the backs? Maybe it's the backs because if they were better then Daboll would trust them more? Who knows, but you can't be this unbalanced. Chiefs beat us with the run when needed both games this year. We beat nobody with the run, all games this year. Am I reading correctly that Kenyan Drake will be a free agent? Give me him over anybody if that's the case IMO it's the line. We can't run block as well as we need to to spring them. Moss gave us a power back who can get several YPC on his own. Singletary needs a hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Niagara Dude said: Diggs was talked about the same way, that is total nonsense I am not sure if he is genuinely a good guy or not. But an arrest, suspended for punching Shaq, sleeping during team Meetings, supposedly Quitting on his team (promoting Coughlin to issue a statement). Maybe he is misunderstood—but those aren’t great indicators of the types of high character players the Bills like. Beyond that, on the field, he seems pretty meh. For a guy that was to highly touted out of college, he seems like just an okay back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, ctk232 said: ^this. Our OL was one of the best PassPro units in the league this year. A huge reason why Allen’s passing stats were so prolific. However, upgrading the RB while retaining the OL unit and scheme won’t yield much difference. If you want a run game start with the line. Our scheme and run blocking were atrocious. For that matter, both lines could use some serious targeted investment... The DL is one of the most expensive in the league. The problem on defense is value. I think the run scheme is OK, the run blocking is losing the battle in the trenches. It's OK when we try against the average DLs but it fails against the best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, ScottLaw said: The lack of ground game wasn’t the reason they lost. The entire coaching staff was lost and Allen looked like he did in the 2nd half of the Houston playoff game. Dudes felt the pressure and folded. Disagree 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, billsherd said: Maybe that's by design. They need to do better job of opening holes for RBs. Maybe, one thing i don't want to see is Sean gets involved in the offence and we get away from a pass heavy offence. Its a passing league, the teams that pass the best usually win. Caveman football is for losers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2zipper Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The DL is one of the most expensive in the league. The problem on defense is value. I think the run scheme is OK, the run blocking is losing the battle in the trenches. It's OK when we try against the average DLs but it fails against the best. Well after this year they get out of . murphy butler and jefferson so some of these expensive d line contracts are going away and the opportunity to upgrade is there. They definitely need to bring some balance to the offense and improve the pass rush though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 we had to go keep going to Yeldon to convert those 3rd down conversions. While they went hill and Kelce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The DL is one of the most expensive in the league. The problem on defense is value. I think the run scheme is OK, the run blocking is losing the battle in the trenches. It's OK when we try against the average DLs but it fails against the best. This is what I mean by targeted investment - rather than commit cap, target where we need to spend on the DL. I think what we saw this season was a combination of one, preparing depth for covid complications and two, compensating for the rotation depth. Plenty of fat can be trimmed from the DL going into next season and I suspect they will. But there’s a difference between investing wholesale and targeted investment. As for the run scheme, it feeds into the outcome. I agree, could be attributed to straight performance, however there were numerous times where either Morse or even Mongo were missing assignments, seemingly confused by lack of communication on twists/stunts and simply just missing blocks. To me, most of what I saw this season was lack of scheme and player execution. I can’t say whether that falls on Morse for assignments, Allen for shifting assignments, coaching, or a combination of the above - but I was hardly impressed by the scheme and execution, especially when it mattered tonight. Pass pro was exceptional this season so it gives an interesting issue heading into next season as you don’t exactly want to lose that. We’re a passing offense. But more can be done from a system level to address the failing run game performance beyond simply dumping money into an RB contract. I’d rather see us shore up the ends of the OL with Williams, and double down on drafting a new C and OG. Trim the fat along the DL and maybe invest in another FA or draft pick there. I think they find an RB in FA like Carson, but until the run game is addressed from the top down I don’t think we see much of a change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Isn’t that what Diggs and Beasley are for? The Bills aren’t short of playmakers. The Chiefs just have the best QB, WR, TE combo in the league and it’s not even close. Bills defense isn't running with Kelce or Hill. Diggs and Beasley are great but they are not Hill/ Kelce 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, billsherd said: Bills defense isn't running with Kelce or Hill. Diggs and Beasley are great but they are not Hill/ Kelce Diggs is elite, but in a different way. We do need a second weapon. It didn't help that Beasley and Davis were hampered tonight. Different teams have to find different players. The problem we face is in different areas, but similar to the Ravens: if a team has a known, readily observable gap in their offensive game, the opponent can double-down to stop other areas. The Chiefs weren't worried about our run game. If we aren't punting so much, or settling for FG, we don't need to spend so much time chasing Kelce and Hill. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Diggs is elite, but in a different way. We do need a second weapon. It didn't help that Beasley and Davis were hampered tonight. Different teams have to find different players. The problem we face is in different areas, but similar to the Ravens: if a team has a known, readily observable gap in their offensive game, the opponent can double-down to stop other areas. The Chiefs weren't worried about our run game. If we aren't punting so much, or settling for FG, we don't need to spend so much time chasing Kelce and Hill. Where was Davis that's my point.?Chiefs had a guy fumble and given us a 9-0 lead. They brought him right back and he made couple of big plays . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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