london_bills Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: If they trade Watson they will not recover for years. Like a decade. You CANNOT do that. They also had a franchise WR in place to go with the QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Again, what's the return for Houston and the salary cap ramifications after Watson signed that mega-deal? A trade may be more difficult than we think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InEnemyTerritory Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, njbuff said: No it isn't We all know the one of the reasons he is upset at Houston and I won't get into here because I will be banned. By all accounts it is because Easterby is insane and has complete control of the team, and he hates Watson for some reason. It was Easterby who pushed to get rid of Hopkins because he wanted to see Watson fail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Bear in mind that Schefter is often a shill for the agents. It is one thing for a team to trade away a pick that might be used to draft a high-potential franchise QB. It is another thing for a team to trade away an actual, proven, franchise QB I don't see how a GM or GM/Coach combination could possibly recover from that unless they got a sure-fire franchise QB at least as good or better in return. Moreover, if they trade Watson, the Texans immediately eat $21.6M of dead cap. Right now, they're something like $17.6M in the red. Unless the Texans are tremendously stupid, they tell Watson that they have $21.6M plus 5 contract years of reasons to sit tight and tell him to GTF over his feelings. Now the Texans HAVE been tremendously stupid, but allegedly those people have left the building. ..then factor in how great a media story it is on top of schefter's schilling.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 13 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Well then! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, london_bills said: They also had a franchise WR in place to go with the QB Receivers get traded. It happens a lot actually. Franchise QBs in their primes do not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, njbuff said: No it isn't We all know the one of the reasons he is upset at Houston and I won't get into here because I will be banned. Yeah, Just Stop. If you have factual information and sources, give it and give your sources as much as you can. If you don't, just don't say anything. Otherwise you're LAMP-ing and disrupting the thread and that's not OK. I'm gonna clean up a bunch of stuff here and ask that the rest of you folks just ignore this. 2 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, InEnemyTerritory said: By all accounts it is because Easterby is insane and has complete control of the team, and he hates Watson for some reason. It was Easterby who pushed to get rid of Hopkins because he wanted to see Watson fail. What a mess. Just now, jeremy2020 said: We'd all prefer for you to tell us. Please, do it. Help us. Political stuff is taboo in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, njbuff said: Use your brain. Use yours. Watson signed a big extension last September, long after Bob McNair made his comments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, njbuff said: It's a mess and both sides are to blame. The real problem is, like I just mentioned, is that Houston simply cannot get equal value for him. All teams know the situation is bad and the Texans cannot get a Herschel Walker-like haul in return. Usually I agree with this - that a team with a player who has made it clear he wants out cant get good value for him - but not this time. They will be able to get anything they want for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: Jets and Dolphins favorites right now to get him. If the Texans trade him to another AFC team I hope their entire franchise goes up in flames. Jets and Dolphins are the favorites according to who? Talking heads or the Texans GM? they have the best picks to offer but I can’t see Houston trading him within the Afc. They got next to nothing for hopkins just so they didn’t have to trade him to the Afc. Different GM, but I’d have to think that the owner has a little say in the matter. Can’t trade him to the Afc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, njbuff said: It's a mess and both sides are to blame. The real problem is, like I just mentioned, is that Houston simply cannot get equal value for him. All teams know the situation is bad and the Texans cannot get a Herschel Walker-like haul in return. I mean Deshaun is to blame for demanding a trade basically but they drew first blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Just now, whatdrought said: Usually I agree with this - that a team with a player who has made it clear he wants out cant get good value for him - but not this time. They will be able to get anything they want for him. They’ll get a haul because of the bidding war. But it won’t be equal value. There is none. There are like 5 guys on the planet with his proven ability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, njbuff said: What a mess. Political stuff is taboo in this forum. yeah i’m thinking you don’t know anything. Nothing based in reality at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Not possible. I read on this website that there was NO CHANCE he would be traded... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Use yours. Watson signed a big extension last September, long after Bob McNair made his comments. plus Bob is dead now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 I'm sure the Dolphins are a "favorite" not sure how the Jets are considering Watson has final say on where he goes. Just know plenty of teams in the NFC need a QB. Bears Eagles WFT Carolina 49ers Giants Basically the whole conference minus Green Bay and Tampa Guaranteed the Cardinals would swap Murray for him. Or consider it strongly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Just now, JoPoy88 said: plus Bob is dead now. It is one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever seen and that’s saying something. Almost a brain-dead position. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, njbuff said: Who's LAMP-ing, we just know that there is more than one reason Watson wants out of Houston. There's more than one reason yet Watson signed an extension after what I'm assuming you think is the 'political' reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, njbuff said: Let's not say Watson isn't at fault either. Give me a break. What did Watson do wrong? 1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said: plus Bob is dead now. Won the battle but lost the war? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 I bet the Cowboys will franchise Dak Prescott, then trade him and their first round pick to Houston for Watson....I guarantee you Watson wants to be a Cowboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 If he goes to the AFCE I will lose my *****. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Watson compounded the situation because they didn't hire a GM of his preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Receivers get traded. It happens a lot actually. Franchise QBs in their primes do not. Point is if you have the second best receiver in the league and a franchise QB for him to throw to you don't look to get rid of either. Agreed that the QB takes precedent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Bear in mind that Schefter is often a shill for the agents. It is one thing for a team to trade away a pick that might be used to draft a high-potential franchise QB. It is another thing for a team to trade away an actual, proven, franchise QB I don't see how a GM or GM/Coach combination could possibly recover from that unless they got a sure-fire franchise QB at least as good or better in return. Moreover, if they trade Watson, the Texans immediately eat $21.6M of dead cap. Right now, they're something like $17.6M in the red. Unless the Texans are tremendously stupid, they tell Watson that they have $21.6M plus 5 contract years of reasons to sit tight and tell him to GTF over his feelings. Now the Texans HAVE been tremendously stupid, but allegedly those people have left the building. Team went 4-12 w Watson at the helm. He sits on the sidelines and cries w a towel over his head after a loss. I don't want a B word like that leading my team. When you are 4-12 everyone is replaceable. 2 2 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Just please stay out of the AFC East 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 25 minutes ago, whatdrought said: So freaking nice to be on this list. I don't think Tampa belongs on that list. I would add Cincy and probably Jax. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: I'm sure the Dolphins are a "favorite" not sure how the Jets are considering Watson has final say on where he goes. Just know plenty of teams in the NFC need a QB. Bears Eagles WFT Carolina 49ers Giants Basically the whole conference minus Green Bay and Tampa Guaranteed the Cardinals would swap Murray for him. Or consider it strongly. new Orleans probably tempted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Team went 4-12 w Watson at the helm. He sits on the sidelines and cries w a towel over his head after a loss. I don't want a B word like that leading my team. When you are 4-12 everyone is replaceable. We have a new winner! Thought it would take longer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Jets and Dolphins definitely have the picks to make it work. If Texans get what they want i doubt they will care if it’s AFC or NFC. Should take more then picks in this draft not named Lawrence, Tua, or Darnold to make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: If I were the Jets, I’d start the offer with their 1st and 2nd picks this year and Darnold for Watson. Miami could offer 2 1sts this year and Tua. I think both Tua and Darnold could be good with some weapons an round them, but Watson is very good. You think Watson will approve a trade to the Jets?!? Miami, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 The Houston Texans gave Bill O'Brien carte blanche and he absolutely dismantled that franchise, that's what went wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Team went 4-12 w Watson at the helm. He sits on the sidelines and cries w a towel over his head after a loss. I don't want a B word like that leading my team. When you are 4-12 everyone is replaceable. Contender for worst post of the year. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Wow guess he doesn’t give a ***** about his teammate Tua 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think Tampa belongs on that list. I would add Cincy and probably Jax. Huh? You'd trade Joe Burrow? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: They’ll get a haul because of the bidding war. But it won’t be equal value. There is none. There are like 5 guys on the planet with his proven ability. Fair enough... What I mean by that is there won't be any "they have to trade him so lets sit back and wait for their price to come down." discount. If he gets moved it'll be the biggest comp package in history. 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think Tampa belongs on that list. I would add Cincy and probably Jax. Cincy is borderline. I would doubt they'd give up as much as all that is required... Here's a question though... Lawrence (#1) + what gets Watson? 5 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Team went 4-12 w Watson at the helm. He sits on the sidelines and cries w a towel over his head after a loss. I don't want a B word like that leading my team. When you are 4-12 everyone is replaceable. So stupid. Edited January 17, 2021 by whatdrought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Wow guess he doesn’t give a ***** about his teammate Tua A dolphins player posted that???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, njbuff said: Watson compounded the situation because they didn't hire a GM of his preference. Not exactly true and it’s 100% on the owner for jerking him around. And unlike your theories we KNOW that’s true because if it wasn’t Cal would’ve came out immediately and said he did not promise to consult Watson on these hires. In fact, McNair did the opposite and confirmed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) I'm not sure there has been anything comparable ever in NFL history if the Texans choose to trade Watson. Certainly not modern NFL history. You have a proven YOUNG franchise QB, which we as fans should all recognise how hard they are to come by, and you trade him away? In my mind, it's nonsensical. Edited January 17, 2021 by Wayne Cubed 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 I think Watson has used this hiring issue as his ticket off of a sinking ship. What's he going to do if they hire Frazier? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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