Divisional Playoff round: Ravens at Bills on Saturday Night Football

[Figster]

1 minute ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

It's also goin to hurt Jackson more, anytime you don't have a true spiral on the ball the wind effects it even more. I'll take my chances with JA throwing in the wind, he has what it takes to make the most of it.

Greg Roman and Lamar Jackson could care less about throwing the football IMO.

 

I'm hoping the bad traction does however hurt Jacksons ability to change directiions. 

 

Daboll's no dummy, Allen can also run the football and is more of a downhill runner then Jackson.

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Schopp is insufferable right now about Lamar Jackson.  
 

He would bet, long term, on Lamar over Allen because “there’s more evidence..”

 

uh, ok

 

Who did we hurt to have this guy forced on us?  
 

Bulldog... thank you for defending, oh, you know, our MVP candidate QB. 

 

If Lamar loses his ability to run via an injury he immediately becomes an average starter because he can't beat you primarily throwing the ball.

 

If Allen loses his ability to run he can still beat you from the pocket. 

 

Huge difference. 

[Process]

Both teams essentially fully healthy. No excuses. May the best team win.

 

 

[billsrul120]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

If Lamar loses his ability to run via an injury he immediately becomes an average starter because he can't beat you primarily throwing the ball.

 

If Allen loses his ability to run he can still beat you from the pocket. 

 

Huge difference. 

I would even say he is below average if the running is gone.  He is averaging 184 ypg passing this year.

[YoloinOhio]

8 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

What is WGR'S obsession with Lamar lol They love him...

 

Schopp I think is the one who is all in on him...

He loved Tuhrod too 

[Big Turk]

Just now, billsrul120 said:

I would even say he is below average if the running is gone.  He is averaging 184 ypg passing this year.

 

Right, as a passer but combined with his running he is still really dangerous. 

 

Allen can be a star in any system, Lamar needs a system designed for him.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

Just now, Figster said:

Greg Roman and Lamar Jackson could care less about throwing the football IMO.

 

I'm hoping the bad traction does however hurt Jacksons ability to change directiions. 

 

Daboll's no dummy, Allen can also run the football and is more of a downhill runner then Jackson.

I understand what you're saying but they will still need some attempts to keep Frazier honest. I'm hoping that will lead to inaccuracy and a turnover.

 

I wouldn't mind us going to basically a 5-2 look by taking T Johnson off the field and bringing in another dt. Let Edmunds, Milano and Poyer handle the TE's (jam them off the line with the DE's) and let's see what happens. Doubt we go there, but it would be fun to see. I do expect to see more 4-3 looks with Klein in for Johnson.

[PromoTheRobot]

Are you fan enough?

 

 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

9 minutes ago, billsrul120 said:

Ravens 2019 rushing ypg: 206.0

Ravens 2020 rushing ypg: 191.9

 

Ravens 2019 passing ypg: 201.6

Ravens 2020 passing ypg: 171.2

 

They are not more dynamic than last year at all. 

All people mean is JK Dobbins instead of Mark Ingram. 

 

Did the Ravens OLine get much better in 2019 verses 2020?

[Figster]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Right, as a passer but combined with his running he is still really dangerous. 

 

Allen can be a star in any system, Lamar needs a system designed for him.

They definitely have the right guy to design the system.

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

All people mean is JK Dobbins instead of Mark Ingram. 

 

Did the Ravens OLine get much better in 2019 verses 2020?

It was better last year.  They lost Yanda and Stanley.

[Dont Stop Billeiving]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Schopp is insufferable right now about Lamar Jackson.  
 

He would bet, long term, on Lamar over Allen because “there’s more evidence..”

 

uh, ok

 

Who did we hurt to have this guy forced on us?  
 

Bulldog... thank you for defending, oh, you know, our MVP candidate (passing) QB. 

 

Surprised those guys are still on the air. They are super lucky Buffalo is a massive football town and there is such an appetite for Bills content.

 

I used to be an avid WGR listener, but I moved to Northern Ireland from Buffalo in 2015 and the WGR app doesn't work over here which turned out to be a blessing in disguise. I switched to listening to the Locked On Bills, Cover 1, and Buffalo Rumblings podcasts on Spotify and would never go back. 

 

I spend zero minutes a day being frustrated about the latest dumb thing Schopp blurted out and maybe more importantly, I never have a personal injury attorney or heating company jingle stuck in my head! LOL would highly recommend making the switch! 

[billsrul120]

2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

All people mean is JK Dobbins instead of Mark Ingram. 

 

Did the Ravens OLine get much better in 2019 verses 2020?

yea Dobbins is averaging 6.0 ypc this year but on 2/3 of the carries that Ingram had with 5.0 ypc.  Not sure that proves that the offense is somehow better off with Dobbins.  

[Figster]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Are you fan enough?

 

 

 

Fella loves him some Josh Allen 

 

If I still had enough hair PTR,

 

A permanent tattoo of this on ones forehead now would really say something.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Figster

[CapeBreton]

3 minutes ago, Figster said:

Fella loves him some Josh Allen

It would make a great tattoo. 

[Figster]

1 minute ago, CapeBreton said:

It would make a great tattoo. 

We think the same my friend.

[Crow-Magnon]

17 minutes ago, billsrul120 said:

Ravens 2019 rushing ypg: 206.0

Ravens 2020 rushing ypg: 191.9

 

Ravens 2019 passing ypg: 201.6

Ravens 2020 passing ypg: 171.2

 

They are not more dynamic than last year at all. 

True. The difference lately is that a slowed-down Mark Ingram has basically been riding the pine at the expense of Dobbins. Early season Dobbins was lucky to get 3-5 carries a game. Since the backfield roster was set as Jackson, Dobbins and Edwards the dynamic has changed. Year-to-year stats show a drop in overall rush yards from 2019 to 2020. But as of late, the three-headed monster of Lamar, JK and Gus has been pounding the rock. 

[JGMcD2]

25 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

 

 

 

Cosell goes over it here. Ravens run game is much more dynamic this year than it was in the game last season. 

Did we watch the same video? Maybe I missed it, but Cosell doesn’t even say that in there?
 

It was a 2 minute segment on Bills/Ravens. He spent the first 30 seconds talking about how these two teams played last year and Buffalo did a really good job, but they played out of their base defense (that was one of the only times we played extensively out of our base defense, we play Nickel a lot under McDermott), and this year they play in Nickel 90% of the time with Taron Johnson assuming LB responsibilities (and he says Johnson is VERY good at it). 

 

Then he says very briefly the Ravens added some counter-gap schemes along with the “Lamar Jackson factor.” He then says it’s all about stopping the run and how you try to stop it, and then goes into his 1 minute blurb on the Bills. 
 

He went on to say that as much as Josh likes to escape the pocket to make plays, he’s going to have to make plays from the pocket in this game to win. Basically insinuating Josh hasn’t been able to do that this year. 
 

Overall in that 2 minute clip, Cosell didn’t provide me anything of actual substances and he seems pretty ill informed. 

Edited January 14, 2021 by JGMcD2

[Dont Stop Billeiving]

16 minutes ago, Process said:

Both teams essentially fully healthy. No excuses. May the best team win.

 

 

I'm expecting him to be available for Saturday and ideally both teams will have everyone healthy, but if Peters is truly questionable and wound up missing the game, that would be a huge factor especially with how I think we'll plan to attack the Ravens defense.

 

Suddenly, Jimmy Smith is their #2, Anthony Averett is probably their #3, and their secondary looks very very vulnerable to our 10 and 11 personnel. Something to watch when the inactives list drops. 

 

@AllDayLJ interested to get your expert thoughts on how healthy Peters is and what talent level/depth at CB is available behind Humphrey and Smith. Cheers!

[Steptide]

I wonder if the bills sent an 8 man blitz on Lamar what would happen. Would he just collapse, or does he try and dump the ball off 

[YoloinOhio]

33 minutes ago, billsrul120 said:

yea Dobbins is averaging 6.0 ypc this year but on 2/3 of the carries that Ingram had with 5.0 ypc.  Not sure that proves that the offense is somehow better off with Dobbins.  

Dobbins is a more versatile RB than Ingram but watch out for him coughing it up and dropped passes

[billsrul120]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Dobbins is a more versatile RB than Ingram but watch out for him coughing it up and dropped passes

Dobbins has 18 catches this year and 5 in the last 8 including the game last week.  To be fair ingram only had 6 last year but that is low production either way

[YoloinOhio]

 

1 minute ago, billsrul120 said:

Dobbins has 18 catches this year and 5 in the last 8 including the game last week.  To be fair ingram only had 6 last year but that is low production either way

I’m going back 4 years on Dobbins. Love that kid though. 

[Warcodered]

52 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Are you fan enough?

 

 

 

Well at least it's not as permanent as that guy that got the tattoo.

[NewEra]

55 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

All people mean is JK Dobbins instead of Mark Ingram. 

 

Did the Ravens OLine get much better in 2019 verses 2020?

No, they lost their two best OL in Stanley (injury) and Yanda (retirement)

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I’m going back 4 years on Dobbins. Love that kid though. 

I wonder if Simms will call JA my boy blue!

[Warcodered]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I’m going back 4 years on Dobbins. Love that kid though. 

Hopefully they gave Simms a sedative, dude's got a serious man crush.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

37 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Did we watch the same video? Maybe I missed it, but Cosell doesn’t even say that in there?
 

It was a 2 minute segment on Bills/Ravens. He spent the first 30 seconds talking about how these two teams played last year and Buffalo did a really good job, but they played out of their base defense (that was one of the only times we played extensively out of our base defense, we play Nickel a lot under McDermott), and this year they play in Nickel 90% of the time with Taron Johnson assuming LB responsibilities (and he says Johnson is VERY good at it). 

 

Then he says very briefly the Ravens added some counter-gap schemes along with the “Lamar Jackson factor.” He then says it’s all about stopping the run and how you try to stop it, and then goes into his 1 minute blurb on the Bills. 
 

He went on to say that as much as Josh likes to escape the pocket to make plays, he’s going to have to make plays from the pocket in this game to win. Basically insinuating Josh hasn’t been able to do that this year. 
 

Overall in that 2 minute clip, Cosell didn’t provide me anything of actual substances and he seems pretty ill informed. 

 

Didn't the Bills play nickle with Taron Johnson most of the time last year as well?  When I look at Johnson's 2019 snap counts which I think are a good marker for how much nickle we're playing, he played 89, 65, 84% prior to the Ravens game, then 81% the week after the Ravens game.

 

This year, it's varied from a low of 52% to a high of 100% which says to me the Bills play a durn lot of Nickel this year too.  I think we may have played it more than we'd prefer due to the injury to Milano.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m going back 4 years on Dobbins. Love that kid though. 

Dobbins is probably the best RB I have ever seen play at Ohio State. I would put him slightly ahead of even Eddie George, and definitely ahead of Zeke.

 

I don’t follow the pre-draft stuff enough though to know why he was only a second round pick and Zeke was a top 5 pick. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

It was better last year.  They lost Yanda and Stanley.

Lamar is a good QB, but in the end, he isn't 2x the QB as any other top flight QB. 

 

2018

118.5 combined yards per game, 11 total TDs.

 

2019

288.9 combined yards per game, 43 total TDs

 

2020

250.4 combined yards per game, 33 total TDs

 

So 2019 he was an elite QB in terms of production, and 2020 he's a solidly good QB in terms of production. But yards are yards and he's not heads and shoulders above Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen, Herbert or any other high upside thrower. 

 

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Dobbins is probably the best RB I have ever seen play at Ohio State. I would put him slightly ahead of even Eddie George, and definitely ahead of Zeke.

 

I don’t follow the pre-draft stuff enough though to know why he was only a second round pick and Zeke was a top 5 pick. 

Speed, blocking

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Hopefully they gave Simms a sedative, dude's got a serious man crush.

 

He called this game for the Ravens, I believe

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Speed, blocking

And size.  

 

Zeke is almost as fast, 3" taller, 25 pounds heavier. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Didn't the Bills play nickle with Taron Johnson most of the time last year as well?  When I look at Johnson's 2019 snap counts which I think are a good marker for how much nickle we're playing, he played 89, 65, 84% prior to the Ravens game, then 81% the week after the Ravens game.

 

This year, it's varied from a low of 52% to a high of 100% which says to me the Bills play a durn lot of Nickel this year too.  I think we may have played it more than we'd prefer due to the injury to Milano.

I have been up and down on Taron Johnson all year. But he is the one guy I watch pretty closely. He is remarkably good against the run for a CB. Gets right in there and fills the hole, and is a good tackler. His best play last week was stopping Taylor on that 3rd down and goal pitch. 

 

i was thinking we would see more Klein this week to beef up the interior defense, but maybe the staff likes what Johnson can bring and how he has been playing against the run.

[Mailman]

1 hour ago, StHustle said:

Can't wait til Josh and the gang shuts all these people up Saturday night!  So much of the media turned on us since a week ago...watch how we go right back to media darlings Sunday morning.

 

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He called this game for the Ravens, I believe

Yes he did 

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

And size.  

 

Zeke is almost as fast, 3" taller, 25 pounds heavier. 

Definitely faster (at least on college), not sure about now 

[AllDayLJ]

16 hours ago, Dont Stop Billeiving said:

I'm expecting him to be available for Saturday and ideally both teams will have everyone healthy, but if Peters is truly questionable and wound up missing the game, that would be a huge factor especially with how I think we'll plan to attack the Ravens defense.

 

Suddenly, Jimmy Smith is their #2, Anthony Averett is probably their #3, and their secondary looks very very vulnerable to our 10 and 11 personnel. Something to watch when the inactives list drops. 

 

@AllDayLJ interested to get your expert thoughts on how healthy Peters is and what talent level/depth at CB is available behind Humphrey and Smith. Cheers!

I would expect all of them to play. Marcus has been on the injury report what seems to be the entire back half of the season. But it doesn't sound like anything major.

 

You nailed it on the depth, though. Not much. Luckily Jimmy Smith is still solid, but then it falls to Averett - who I honestly think has played well during this winning streak - and Tramon Williams.

 

Let's just hope Marcus plays!

Edited January 15, 2021 by AllDayLJ

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

1 hour ago, Magox said:

Looking healthy.   Darryl Williams you'd like to see out there for special teams but not a huge loss.   Good to see Stefon and Oliver back to full and Beasley obviously is still on the mend but at least his injury designation is not at questionable meaning he's healthier than he was last week at this time.   I'd say the Bills are pretty dang healthy going into the playoffs aside from Moss.

 

Did you mean Darryl Johnson?  We don't have Williams play ST and he's not on the report.

 

 

 

I'm sure Peters will play, but if he's playing hampered that might be something to keep an eye on.

[Coffeesforclosers]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Schopp is insufferable right now about Lamar Jackson.  
 

He would bet, long term, on Lamar over Allen because “there’s more evidence..”

 

uh, ok

 

Who did we hurt to have this guy forced on us?  
 

Bulldog... thank you for defending, oh, you know, our MVP candidate (passing) QB. 

 

 

When Schopp watches a Nick Wright segment, does he feel jealousy?  Envy? The terrible sense that somebody took his schtick and is actually getting rich off it?

[Magox]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

Did you mean Darryl Johnson?  We don't have Williams play ST and he's not on the report

 

 

Of course that is what I meant.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, AllDayLJ said:

I would expect all of them to play. Marcus has been on the injury what seems to be the entire back half of the season. But it doesn't sound like anything major.

 

You nailed it on the depth though. Not much. Luckily Jimmy Smith is still solid, but then it falls to Averett - who I honestly think has played well during this winning streak - and Tramon Williams.

 

Let's just hope Marcus plays!

 

Well...you and your fellow Poe-bird followers all hope that

(BTW I've been calling the Ravens Poe-birds since they put "always more, never less" as a motto on their website, no disparagement intended)