Patriots domination is over, their fans have no clue about what’s coming.

[Freddie's Dead]

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

Love how Kyle Brandt put last night's game in perspective

 

 

 

LOL, they played the phone spike fifteen times!!! 

[Bob in STL]

17 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Have to draft well to properly rebuild a team, Pats have not drafted well the last 10 years or so...

I’m not sure this is true given their record.  They are not finding big impact players drafting at the end of every round but they have kept their roster solid enough to play in 9 of the last 18 SBs, and win 6 SBs.  
 

Right now they have holes but they are also $50M under the cap.  
 

 

[Sweats]

**** the Pats!!!

They had their time......now it's our turn.

 

They instilled fear league wide for 20 years and have no idea what it feels like to be mediocre, even bad. Well, they're about to find out what it feels like to root for a failing franchise with no hope in sight......hopefully.

[streetkings01]

5 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

I’m not sure this is true given their record.  They are not finding big impact players drafting at the end of every round but they have kept their roster solid enough to play in 9 of the last 18 SBs, and win 6 SBs.  
 

Right now they have holes but they are also $50M under the cap.  
 

 

They’re good at drafting mid to late round defensive players .....they suck at drafting skill position players.

[Doc]

The delusions started with them...after Tommy left. They thought he was bad last year and that Stidham, and then Cam, would be an improvement. I said that they’d be wishing their new QB would put up numbers anywhere near what Tommy did. 

[jrober38]

Their fans believe Belichick can turn anyone into a good QB.

 

They're about to find out that's not even remotely true.

 

They'll continue to be well coached, and their defense will improve next year when they get a bunch of players back off their COVID list, but their offense is a disaster right now with no building blocks at QB or WR currently on the roster, and the odds of finding those things in free agency will be incredibly difficult. 

[MJS]

18 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Even if they do find their guy.. it’s rare for a 6-10 or 7-9 team to turn into a 10 win or 11 win team.. Bills are red hot with arguably the best or one of the best QBs in the league.. Our team is well built around him.. Patriots are not well built, they’re in full out rebuild with no QB.. They’re not picking high enough to draft a quality QB and even if they did it may take him 2 or 3 years before he can play at a high level.. I’m more concerned with Miami at this point..

Is it rare? We're not talking about a 1 or 2 win team, here...

 

Unquestionably, the Bills are better and probably will be for the foreseeable future, but there are 3 wild card slots now. The Patriots are not a good team, but they get some fire power back next year and have a ton of cap space. They could conceivably turn it around quickly. Or they could take a decade plus to do it. Guess we'll find out.

[May Day 10]

I am hesitant to shovel dirt on them right now.

 

The bills are at a high point.  It's possible this sustains for multiple years, please let it be longer... but it's possible we don't see a bills run like this in a long time.  This is 1991 Bills level in the conversation as the best team in franchise history.

 

The patriots are at a 20 year low.  I don't trust Bill belichick to stay down.  I could see him putting together a very competent team, and there are more capable quarterbacks in the world than ever before.  I could see him studying and building a defense with the express sole purpose of stopping Josh Allen and the bills offense.  I still have nightmares and need therapy for the last 20 years.

 

With that said, there are things I could get behind.  I think today's day and age, you need a coach who is smart but also respects players and empowers the individual athlete.  McDermott and Reid are examples of that.  Belichick's George halas/Vince Lombardi death camp my way or the highway shtick is tired.  Without perpetual winning nobody wants to go out of their way to play there for that grump.  

 

His drafting has also been awful.  Cam we really expect him to nab a team full of starters at this point just because they have a top 15 pick?  They knew Brady was going to leave when he did and their succession plan is terrible.  That and this season is self-inflicted.  I

 

 

Reading their forums, there is a bit of delusion.  I felt the same way back in 00 I remember.  Butler and Phillips are gone?  Who cares, we will be just fine!  Bring on the next phase of perpetual winning..  There is even a thread there about trading up for the #1 overall pick.  There is a lack of seeing the forest through the trees in that the bills and dolphins finally seem to have emerged as competent franchises.  

[Ghost_002!]

32 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

Can someone tell me how Cam Newton earned the right to be just called "Cam" by NFL announcers? The guy never won a damn thing in the NFL. Played like crap in his SB appearance and has been utter garbage this year for the Pats. But because he's on New England , NFL announcers on all the networks refer to him by his first name just like they nauseatingly did to Brady? I think it was Dan Dierdorf who started it with Brady but why Newton? And all the faux shock that Newton has been terrible this year? Like all the NFL media thought he was so awesome all along and how mystifying that he has played so poorly?

 

 

??

 

His birth name is Cameron, people typically shorten the name Cameron to."Cam" and he was a former league MVP he earned the right to be respected by announcers. 

[freddyjj]

1 hour ago, Bills of Boston said:

My favorite pats fan quote is “well after 20 years I can handle 1 down season”

 

 

ONE?!?!  You stupid CLOWS (edited for family board)... get comfortable, don’t worry finding a franchise QB is easy

Oh the possible irony.  The Cheaters need a QB and the Iggles have one for sale.  

 

Would love to hear those negotiations given outright hatred between both.

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

this is must watch. They mocked the BB phone throw for like 2 minutes too!!

 

The comment about Bilicheat having a better arm than Cam Newton was very painful to them.

[Meatloaf63]

45 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

Let’s be honest. Most of their “fans” weren’t fans before they were good and will stop being fans if they have 2-3 non-playoff years. 

I was teasing a co worker pats fan last night. He used to fly all over and go to Super Bowls to watch them play. He claimed last night he hasn’t watched a game all season. I call bs, but I believe you are right, if they suck next year their fan base will shrink in half...

[RJ (not THAT RJ)]

When the good times come to an end for a franchise, it is easy to believe they will come back quickly. Sometimes they do, but not always.

 

We all know what that meant for the Bills between 1966 and 1980, or after 1996. A tweak here, the right deal there, and all will be well...

 

From 1968 to 1994, folks in Green Bay kept saying, "the Pack is Back!" A few playoff appearances fed those fantasies, but it was a long stretch of irrelevance.

 

Ask Bears fans between 1963 and 1985... or Giants fans between say 1962 and 1986.... or Browns fans between 1972 and 1985 or 1994 to the present...

 

Pats fans think they are special because they had a great team for a while. Past performance is no guarantee of future returns.

[Livinginthepast]

8 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

??

 

His birth name is Cameron, people typically shorten the name Cameron to."Cam" and he was a former league MVP he earned the right to be respected by announcers. 

Cam is short for Cameron??!! OMG, mind blown! thanks!

[Meatloaf63]

One thing you could tell last night was the confidence the coaches and players had. Gone is the fear that made us play physically and mentally weak. That going forward will go a long way in keeping us on top... The demons have been fully removed...

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

this is must watch. They mocked the BB phone throw for like 2 minutes too!!

 

Why do we not have a "caption this" thread?

 

 

"Veuillez appuyer sur 1 pour le français.
Por favor presione 2 para español.
Bitte drücken Sie 3 für Deutsch."

[BillsVet]

Don't really care about Pats fans or what they think.  

 

Do care about the 12-3 Buffalo Bills and tearing up teams in the playoffs.

 

Just like back in the early 90s.  

 

There's too much emotional energy directed at other teams' fans, their message boards, and things that don't matter.  

 

Enjoy the domination these past 2 weeks as the Bills arrive into the NFL's elite. 

[TheCockSportif]

My only real surprise is that Bill Belichick thought that rolling with Cam Newton this season would be good enough.

[Punching Bag]

14 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

I was teasing a co worker pats fan last night. He used to fly all over and go to Super Bowls to watch them play. He claimed last night he hasn’t watched a game all season. I call bs, but I believe you are right, if they suck next year their fan base will shrink in half...

 

Why do you not believe him? Was he a fan before Tainted T*m became starter?

[Meatloaf63]

13 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Why do you not believe him? Was he a fan before Tainted T*m became starter?

Not sure, he’s in his late 40’s and grew up in Boston. I’ll have to continue the abuse to find out LOL...

17 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

Don't really care about Pats fans or what they think.  

 

Do care about the 12-3 Buffalo Bills and tearing up teams in the playoffs.

 

Just like back in the early 90s.  

 

There's too much emotional energy directed at other teams' fans, their message boards, and things that don't matter.  

 

Enjoy the domination these past 2 weeks as the Bills arrive into the NFL's elite. 

It’s fun and costs us nothing and is part of the enjoyment of what these Bills have become. Enjoy every aspect of being on top, you never know how long it will last or when it will come back again...

[Victory Formation]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Is it rare? We're not talking about a 1 or 2 win team, here...

 

Unquestionably, the Bills are better and probably will be for the foreseeable future, but there are 3 wild card slots now. The Patriots are not a good team, but they get some fire power back next year and have a ton of cap space. They could conceivably turn it around quickly. Or they could take a decade plus to do it. Guess we'll find out.

The margins for that happening are small though.. Took Josh a few years to hit stride.. With no good veteran QBs on the market, they’ll have to rely on a draft pick to come in and dominate which is a hard thing to do when you’re picking in the middle of the first round.. On average it takes a QB 2-3 years before they come into their own.. Not to mention he’ll be going up against Buffalo and Miami twice a year which is tough sledding.. Because of that reality, you may see New England with 3-4 guaranteed losses every year against divisional opponents, and when that happens coaches typically don’t last long..

[Success]

It's funny to hear how casually they say things like "all we need to do is find a franchise QB" or "we just need a 1-2 year rebuild and we're back on top," like it's all a "just add water" kind of thing.

 

Sure, they might get lucky.  But chances are that they are in for a long stretch of mediocrity.  They have almost nothing to work with right now, and BB the GM is not as good as BB the coach.

 

I remember feeling the same way after the Kelly years. I just assumed we'd figure out a way to continue to dominate.  I remember talking myself into Todd Collins.

 

 

[stevewin]

 

 

One thing a lot of people are missing is the salad days of the Cheaters signing FAs for nothing who want a ring are OVER.  What FAs are going to want to sign to play for that joyless franchise with no QB and questionable future at best and miserable grumbling SOB as coach.  Bellicheat's incompetence drafting has been covered up for years by discount FA signings - those days are over.

[Ghost_002!]

55 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

The question begs, what the hell happened to Newton? How does a player become MVP, and then turn to crap in a few short years? 

Injuries. Stops many a talent 

 

 

 

 

Side note: (not directed at you at all)

 

For the fans calming NE won't be able to grab a free agent going forward. Free agents/players don't think like emotional fans....

 

 

 

 

[billsfan89]

59 minutes ago, Groin said:

My only real surprise is that Bill Belichick thought that rolling with Cam Newton this season would be good enough.

 

Who was a better option for a capped out team drafting late in a so/so QB class? Genuinely asking because while I think Cam wasn't the alternative I am not sure who they could have gotten that could have gotten this ass team 6-7 wins. Cam for all his faults had the team at 6-6 and doesn't impact their cap long term. 

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

Injuries. Stops many a talent 

 

 

 

 

Side note: (not directed at you at all)

 

For the fans calming NE won't be able to grab a free agent going forward. Free agents/players don't think like emotional fans....

 

Grab a FA...what?  Franchise QB?  Not even close.  And what FA's they might get won't be taking discounts (anymore).

[TheCockSportif]

Just now, billsfan89 said:

 

Who was a better option for a capped out team drafting late in a so/so QB class? Genuinely asking because while I think Cam wasn't the alternative I am not sure who they could have gotten that could have gotten this ass team 6-7 wins. Cam for all his faults had the team at 6-6 and doesn't impact their cap long term. 

Their only option was to play Stidham.  It would've been cheaper, and it probably would've lead to similar results without all of the drama.  And by cheaper, I mean play Stidham and bring in some talent on D.

 

Not playing Stidham, and playing Cam full time was a recipe for failure.  Cam was played out before he put on the NE unis.

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, Groin said:

Their only option was to play Stidham.  It would've been cheaper, and it probably would've lead to similar results without all of the drama.  And by cheaper, I mean play Stidham and bring in some talent on D.

 

Not playing Stidham, and playing Cam full time was a recipe for failure.  Cam was played out before he put on the NE unis.

 

 

Stidham sucks.  I fully believe they were blindsided by Tommy's departure and then desperately signed Cam.  Because starting Stidham and winning 2, maybe 3 games, would have tainted Belicheat's legacy (people are now starting to talk about how he's got a losing record without Brady and his poor drafting).  

 

Edited December 29, 2020 by Doc

[billsfan89]

5 minutes ago, Groin said:

Their only option was to play Stidham.  It would've been cheaper, and it probably would've lead to similar results without all of the drama.  And by cheaper, I mean play Stidham and bring in some talent on D.

 

Not playing Stidham, and playing Cam full time was a recipe for failure.  Cam was played out before he put on the NE unis.

 

Every time I see Stidham I don't see a good QB. I think Cam brought a running dimension to the team that Stidham wouldn't have brought. Honestly any QB they realistically could have found dropped into that dumpster fire (no WR's, suspect O-line, no TE's and a banged up RB situation) of an offense was doomed to fail. There is only so much good coaching could make up.

[TheCockSportif]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

 

Stidham sucks.  I fully believe they were blindsided by Tommy's departure and then desperately signed Cam.  Because starting Stidham and winning 2, maybe 3 games, would have tainted Belicheat's legacy (people are now starting to talk about how he's got a losing record without Brady and his poor drafting).  

 

Maybe the joy of 2020 has caused me to be delusional, but didn't they essentially invite Tommy to leave?

[billsfan89]

In the next 3 years (which is about as far out as you can project in the NFL) I don't see the Pats being a bad team. They got 6-7 wins off of a roster depleted due to dead cap and opt outs. They won 12 games last year with an elite ST and defense. In 2021 they will get back key players on defense and the O-line from the Covid opt outs and they will have the cap space to supplement additional needs on their roster as well as a decent selection of draft choices higher than they are used to. They will not be an easy out in 2021.

 

However unless they find a QB I don't see them being more than a 10 win competitive team that won't get past the divisional round. Billy B will keep that defense and special teams units strong but the offense won't be good enough to make serious noise in the playoffs and Billy B isn't a spring chicken. 

 

Billy B is 68 years old and will be 69 next season. He doesn't have 10 years to build back up the team and find a QB. I can't see him coaching more than 5 seasons (and 5 seasons is generous but possible) and as this franchise knows it can take decades to find a decent QB let alone a franchise QB.

 

So the Pats will be a pesky team that can run the football, play good to great defense and elite ST play. But if they can't get a good QB (let alone an elite one) then they will be stuck in the good but not great category for a long time.

[Ghost_002!]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Grab a FA...what?  Franchise QB?  Not even close.  And what FA's they might get won't be taking discounts (anymore).

First off you have no idea what their approach is going to be. They have the cap space to spend if they choose to.

 

 

This team won 6 games so far. w a sh*tty  roster could of one more.

 

So they couldn't compete for the division next year with for the sake of the argument a Ryan Fitzpatrick type QB? 

 

There's more in free agency than just QBs...and they have solid players returning

 

 

 

[TheCockSportif]

2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Every time I see Stidham I don't see a good QB. I think Cam brought a running dimension to the team that Stidham wouldn't have brought. Honestly any QB they realistically could have found dropped into that dumpster fire (no WR's, suspect O-line, no TE's and a banged up RB situation) of an offense was doomed to fail. There is only so much good coaching could make up.

But they lost a year in evaluating what they had on O.  The Bills did this for years and years.

[Doc]

Just now, Groin said:

Maybe the joy of 2020 has caused me to be delusional, but didn't they essentially invite Tommy to leave?

 

That's what they want you to think.  No one believes that Stidham would have been an upgrade over Tommy even from last year.

1 minute ago, Ghost_002! said:

First off you have no idea what their approach is going to be. They have the cap space to spend if they choose to.

 

 

This team won 6 games so far. w a sh*tty  roster could of one more.

 

So they couldn't compete for the division next year with for the sake of the argument a Ryan Fitzpatrick type QB? 

 

There's more in free agency than just QBs...and they have solid players returning

 

Yeah they have cap space.  They're going to need to pay the going rates.  And they'll still have no QB.  Fitz isn't a franchise QB.

[billsfan89]

Just now, Groin said:

But they lost a year in evaluating what they had on O.  The Bills did this for years and years.

 

If Stidham was worth playing he would have beaten out Cam in their camp or during their season, they also had several low points in the season where they could have reasonably played Stidham and benched Cam yet they didn't. At one point they were sitting at 2-5 and they could have easily justified playing Stidham in what was already a lost season. Yet they didn't, which to me tells me they just don't see Stidham as the answer.

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

We'll see.   When the Pats' 8 (eight!) Covid op-outs and Gilmore are back and they get a competent QB (they have tons of cap space), they'll be a very competitive team next year.   The Bills and strong to be sure, but we beat the Pats twice, Seattle, San Fran and others when they were really beat up by major injury/Covid problems.   Bills play KC, Pittsburg and Titans AGAIN next year (along with Brady/Bucs) ; every year and every game will be a battle .  Who knows, Bills could have a bunch of guys go down for the season like what happened to the 49ers this year; then the whole conversation changes.   Enjoy it now while things are working in the Bills direction.   The 9ers fans thought they'd be awesome the next (this year) as well.  We see how that worked out.   

 

Go Bills.   Trust the Process.  

The problem with this is the problem the bills have faced in many prior years.....the "competent QB" that you mention does not get put out on the end ile at the Wallmart.......

 

VERY hard to find.....not to mention that they have tough decisions to make with guys like Gilmore who is rumored to be out of t here......and they dont  have any offensive weapons......

 

They will probably always field a strong defense.....does that sound like any other team you might know that is always in the middle of the draft?   It does to me.

[TheCockSportif]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

That's what they want you to think.  No one believes that Stidham would have been an upgrade over Tommy even from last year.

I agree with you that nobody thought that there was a replacement for Stidham (full disclosure: I live in New England, as I have for 25 years, and media here was all wobbly about the transition moments after Brady intimated that he was going elsewhere), but they set this table last year.  Actually, no.  They set this table when they traded Jimmy G, didn't do anything to make O better, bumped up against the salary cap, and were forced to basically put a Band-Aid this season.

 

And I could not be happier.

2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

If Stidham was worth playing he would have beaten out Cam in their camp or during their season, they also had several low points in the season where they could have reasonably played Stidham and benched Cam yet they didn't. At one point they were sitting at 2-5 and they could have easily justified playing Stidham in what was already a lost season. Yet they didn't, which to me tells me they just don't see Stidham as the answer.

That's fine, but regardless of how you want to slice it, they pooched the season.  Bigly.

Edited December 29, 2020 by Groin

[John from Riverside]

23 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

Injuries. Stops many a talent 

 

 

 

 

Side note: (not directed at you at all)

 

For the fans calming NE won't be able to grab a free agent going forward. Free agents/players don't think like emotional fans....

 

 

 

 

Grabbing a bunch of free agents doesnt solve your problems either.....good teams dont let good QB's get away from them......It takes drafting and honestly 50 million dollars is not THAT much money

[Ghost_002!]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

That's what they want you to think.  No one believes that Stidham would have been an upgrade over Tommy even from last year.

 

Yeah they have cap space.  They're going to need to pay the going rates.  And they'll still have no QB.  Fitz isn't a franchise QB.

Ha ha 

 

Never said he was...you telling me the Buffalo bills can't be beat if you have Ryan Fitzpatrick as your QB?

 

The fins won about 10 games with him(obviousl Tua played some games), but BB couldn't win with him assuming he has a better built roster 

 

Understand..I am not talking for them to be dominant again, go to the SB I am talking being competitive

 

Again they found a way to win 6 games with their JV squad...

 

[billsfan89]

2 minutes ago, Groin said:

And I could not be happier.

That's fine, but regardless of how you want to slice it, they pooched the season.  Bigly.

 

I don't think they pooched the season so much as Billy B took a step back to take several steps forward. Eat the Brady dead cap and other dead cap space, take on the covid opt outs and see what you can make from a depleted roster. Then regroup in 2021 when you can have several starting players return from a season of rest and you have a good amount of cap space and draft picks to work with. Either way, good luck finding a QB that will get you past that 10 win good but not great level, it can take decades to find a competent one let along a franchise QB.