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30 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I've not started a single thread prior to today or linked a national thread.  I've commented on many.

 

But we do know Bills fans are much smart (you in particular) then the rubes who are in the national spotlight.

How can a team stop everything the Bills do so easily and turn Allen into a game manager?????  Sounds like McD talking. 

 

Here we go again, manage the clock, play within the 20's and don't make mistakes.

 

If they come out trying to establish the run and time possession.....  Ughhhhhhh

 

The Bills are playing the worst defense in the NFL this week,  No excuses to not sling it & put up 35+....

Yeah I know, but that is what teams are doing.  Cover 2 zone takes away the easy crossing stuff Josh was hitting a month ago.  It just does.   Plus a LB is spying him, so he can't run bc everyone is in zone watching him.  So you quick pitch the ball to the outside, run the edges to take advantage of a 5 man secondary backing up at the snap.   Boring as dirt, yes.  But it works, especially in crap weather.    Take your shots when the pull up to the line.   Becomes very tactical.    Very cat and mouse.   The Chiefs can dictate given their overwhelming talent on offense, but they are about it.  

 

The goal is the win the game.   Whatever it takes to get that win, ugly or pretty to watch.  

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3 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

Buffalo will not gain national respect unless they make a deep run in the playoffs. In addition to this Josh Allen has to play more consistently at a high level.

 

The emergence of of a problematic team in South Florida (Miami) also plays into the Bills losing luster. The Bills are not the underdog anymore. Miami now sits in that role in the AFCE. Underdogs make for better press.

 

 

 

Agreed, but Allen playing at a super high level would be enough like Lamar last year and the 1st month of this year. 

 

Instead he's fallen off a cliff. 

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2 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

Yeah I know, but that is what teams are doing.  Cover 2 zone takes away the easy crossing stuff Josh was hitting a month ago.  It just does.   Plus a LB is spying him, so he can't run bc everyone is in zone watching him.  So you quick pitch the ball to the outside, run the edges to take advantage of a 5 man secondary backing up at the snap.   Boring as dirt, yes.  But it works, especially in crap weather.    Take your shots when the pull up to the line.   Becomes very tactical.    Very cat and mouse.   The Chiefs can dictate given their overwhelming talent on offense, but they are about it.  

And playing two terrible defenses the next two weeks.

 

I am not that smart, but good offenses are able to consistently put up #'s regardless of the opposition & the Bills were not playing elite defenses the past four weeks and failed for the most part.

 

Again I blame that on McD & the coaches.   

2 minutes ago, BillsToast said:

 

Agreed, but Allen playing at a super high level would be enough like Lamar last year and the 1st month of this year. 

 

Instead he's fallen off a cliff. 

Refuse to accept that.  It's the coaches that hjave let him down.

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3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

They were after week 4, but now not so much as people for the most part are meh about a 6-2 team that has not played well the past four weeks.

 

I wish it was different, but it is what it is.

 

Look at the stories going on.....

 

WIlson and the 6-1 Seahwaks, Pitt undefeated, KC being KC, TB  & TB, Brees and what exactly are the Saints, NYJ (ha ha ha), Dallas (what a disaster), Rodgers regressing, Baltimore and has the league figured out Lamar, Arizona & is Kyler a star, Burrow, Herbert........

 

I want the Bills in thew spotlight and hope that changes the next two weeks. 

Why do we have to be a constant story?  We are 6-2 which is a nice record.  But our defense especially the front 7 is not solid and gives up a lot of yards against the run.  We will see where we stand after the next month against tough competition.  If we can win some big games, we will get some positive talk.  Its a long season w 32 teams.  There are not constant big time stories every week in any season of any league.  Enjoy the games for what they are and the football season as a whole.  When December comes around, hopefully we are in the playoff talk as contenders.  Thats all that matters.  

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2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And playing two terrible defenses the next two weeks.

 

I am not that smart, but good offenses are able to consistently put up #'s regardless of the opposition & the Bills were not playing elite defenses the past four weeks and failed for the most part.

 

Again I blame that on McD & the coaches.   

ok ok, you make a good point above.  go bills !  go win.  

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10 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Again I blame that on McD & the coaches.   

Refuse to accept that.  It's the coaches that hjave let him down.

 

So when he did well did you give the coaches credit and not Allen or only when he doesn't do well? 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, BillsToast said:

 

So when he did well did you give the coaches credit and not Allen or only when he doesn't do well? 

 

 

No I said I was very happy & turning the corner on McD.  The last 4 weeks I've seen a regression and the old McD, that I've railed on continually.  

 

To keep coming up with excuses that others have figured the Bills out, says one of two things.

 

1.  The staff (& McD) have not adapted (seen this too often in the third quarters over the past years).

2. Josh Allen is not the answer.

 

I hope it is #1, or the Bills are in trouble.

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2 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

I don't know in both the Tenn and KC game the Bills set out to stop one thing, Henry running and KC passing and they did, but then Tenn passing and KC running hurt them.  Not sure Lamar passing could do that much damage?


I don’t  think they could stop the Ravens /Lamar from running all over them.  They didn’t really stop the Chiefs as much as the Chiefs didn’t even have to try to do anything but run.  The Titans put up 42 points, soooo I’m not taking that as a success.

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We are similar to Seattle.  Even with Russell on fire, the hawks have squeaked out quite a few games this year.

 

Explosive qb play, fun to watch create, used to have a great defense but don't have much of a D at all in 2020.  We are giving up 25 a game, they're giving up 28.

 

The difference is they pay their QB $30M and we pay ours $5M.  We are in the magic window of QB on a rookie deal before they crush your cap.   Happened to GB, Detroit, Seattle and will kill the Chiefs defense soon enough.   

 

I'm less concerned with national spotlight than I am with getting linebacker play worthy of a championship run.  It's clear already that lack of depth at LB is a huge problem and it may be too late to fix it.  Wondering if Sean and Frasier can switch to a hybrid D at this point like the Pats ran against us.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

They were after week 4, but now not so much as people for the most part are meh about a 6-2 team that has not played well the past four weeks.

 

I wish it was different, but it is what it is.

 

Look at the stories going on.....

 

WIlson and the 6-1 Seahwaks, Pitt undefeated, KC being KC, TB  & TB, Brees and what exactly are the Saints, NYJ (ha ha ha), Dallas (what a disaster), Rodgers regressing, Baltimore and has the league figured out Lamar, Arizona & is Kyler a star, Burrow, Herbert........

 

I want the Bills in thew spotlight and hope that changes the next two weeks. 

 

You must not be looking in the right places 

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There just hasn't been much highlight-reel material from Josh Allen the past few weeks. I think the sports media would like to hype the Bills more - it's a good enough story, but there have been more exciting things going on lately. You don't get attention when you win ugly. 

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5 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

Based on the games played and the results of those games, I can't disagree with you.

 

However, I do think the Bills are better than what they've shown.  All teams have to overcome injuries, but the Bills have been missing some key players on offense and defense; and it appears that our defensive superstar (White) is playing more than just a little dinged up.

 

But ... again ... dominant teams overcome.  The regular season is only half over and there is time for Beane to add a piece or two, as well as time for the coaching staff to make some mid-season adjustments (i.e. - stop abandoning what's working).

 

Mostly, it's on the players to execute.  Josh needs to be more consistent.  Receivers need to be more consistent.  The defense needs to do better and get some takeaways.

 

It's not too late to become ready for Prime Time.

 

As unlikely as it is, they can start with beating a very tough Seattle team.

 

Go Bills!

Seattle 39

Bills 17

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I'm having fun picturing Josh in the pre-game huddle like, "Everyone do their job today and we'll get this win.  You're one out of eleven.  What kind of man are you going to be today?  And remember I don't want to see us any lower than 5 in the power rankings this week.  Don't just win, win by enough to get national attention.  I wanna hear Mike Greenberg talking about me for MVP on the radio tomorrow."

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28 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

I'm having fun picturing Josh in the pre-game huddle like, "Everyone do their job today and we'll get this win.  You're one out of eleven.  What kind of man are you going to be today?  And remember I don't want to see us any lower than 5 in the power rankings this week.  Don't just win, win by enough to get national attention.  I wanna hear Mike Greenberg talking about me for MVP on the radio tomorrow."

So Buffalo......  No player on the Bills wants to be recognized on a national stage?  

 

No I picture Josh in the huddle "Guy's let's get 2 first downs & then we can punt and keep this game in the teens for Coach McD...... Break!"

 

This was exactly some US players' mentality coming to the NBA and being traded (or drafted) by the Toronto Raptors and then bemoaning the fact that they weren't mentioned on ESPN.

 

Surprisingly that changed quickly as the Raptors became one of the top teams in the NBA and got more & more National Press.  Doesn't hurt either that Toronto is a great city with outstanding entertainment district, downtown & nightlife (Pre-Covid-19).  

 

Oh & Allen wants to throw for 400, Diggs have 180 yards receiving.......  Singletary & Moss would too be thrilled with 75 yards rushing & another 50 receiving too.....

 

Players want to be recognized beyond Hamburg or West Seneca.....😜

 

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7 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Agreed. Both teams have vastly different strengths and weaknesses, but both feel similar when watching their games.

 

We ARE a GOOD team. The problem plaguing Bills fans and this board is that after 20 years of bad football and watching the Patriots dominate, our fans think you need to play PERFECT football in order to win. That isnt the case.

I dont even know if they are a "good" team....maybe a good offensive team but their defense is terrible. They got their arses handed to them on National TV two weeks in a row and barely beat two teams with two combined wins. They dont deserve the spotlight because they can handle the spotlight 

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37 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

It's just not going to play out that way, not with McDermott as HC. It will either be a blowout loss or a messy low scoring loss with ugly mistakes by both teams.

Can't see the Seahawks scoring less then 28, thus the Bills will score more on just as bad a defense.

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Yup im not that excited either they seem to be treading mediocrity rather than getting better.....the first 4 weeks were great.... D sucked BUT the o could score with ANYONE in the league weeks 1-4... now the D STILL sucks..and the O can barely outscore the WORST teams in the league....Id be much more excited if you could flip flop weeks 14- and 5-8 id be super excited if they started out the year going 2-2 and looking bad then all of a sudden in week 5,6,7,8 they were scoring like they did games 1-4 30+ a week....

 

At this point im hoping they win want them to win but my optimism and  positivity is just not there.... hopefully they can flip some switch and get to that point where they are closer to weeks 1-4 rather than the last 4 weeks..hell id take a middle ground of 25 points and the D playing better,  Go Bills good luck!

 

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12 hours ago, uticaclub said:

We had 2 prime time games after getting a ton of press for starting 4-0 and got our asses handed to us in back to back weeks on national TV. After that we played 2 of the worse teams in the NFL, narrowly won and looked bad doing it. We don't deserve any attention until we prove we deserve it

Exactly and I think OUR fans realize we can't beat top teams without a strong defense

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23 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Pitt and KC are both decidedly better than Buffalo unless the Bills can straighten out the defense.  If they can, they'd be up  there with them too.  Agree, Lamar may be figured out.

Right now PIT, KC, Baltimore and Tennessee are better than the Bills (or slightly above us).   We have to fix our defense to be part of those elite teams.

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On 11/3/2020 at 9:04 AM, Billsfan1972 said:

They were after week 4, but now not so much as people for the most part are meh about a 6-2 team that has not played well the past four weeks.

 

I wish it was different, but it is what it is.

 

Look at the stories going on.....

 

WIlson and the 6-1 Seahwaks, Pitt undefeated, KC being KC, TB  & TB, Brees and what exactly are the Saints, NYJ (ha ha ha), Dallas (what a disaster), Rodgers regressing, Baltimore and has the league figured out Lamar, Arizona & is Kyler a star, Burrow, Herbert........

 

I want the Bills in thew spotlight and hope that changes the next two weeks.

Ok boomer

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3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Seemed weeks 3-4 (in particular) they were a big story and plenty of threads on National Stories.  Sorry for bothering you with a thread......😡 

this and 300 yard games is what keeps you up at night.  

 

we know you need to be entertained, but how bored are you?  

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14 hours ago, CBennett said:

Yup im not that excited either they seem to be treading mediocrity rather than getting better.....the first 4 weeks were great.... D sucked BUT the o could score with ANYONE in the league weeks 1-4... now the D STILL sucks..and the O can barely outscore the WORST teams in the league....Id be much more excited if you could flip flop weeks 14- and 5-8 id be super excited if they started out the year going 2-2 and looking bad then all of a sudden in week 5,6,7,8 they were scoring like they did games 1-4 30+ a week....

 

At this point im hoping they win want them to win but my optimism and  positivity is just not there.... hopefully they can flip some switch and get to that point where they are closer to weeks 1-4 rather than the last 4 weeks..hell id take a middle ground of 25 points and the D playing better,  Go Bills good luck!

 

 

It's crazy how bad the bills defense is considered on the board - 

 

20th in yards per play, 15th in points allowed per game.  So... basically middle of the road.  The biggest concern to me is the 3rd down defense which is ranked 30th.  The rush defense also needs to improve, which will help keep teams in harder 3rd down situations.  If they can get off the field more they'll allow fewer yards and points.  

 

On offense they're 9th in yards per play, and 19th in points per game, 9th in points per drive.  They have the best 3rd down offense in the NFL, and are 12th in RZ TD%. 

 

While our defense is "holding us back", the media ignores the Miami offense being as bad or worse than buffalo's defense.  23rd in yards per play, 11th in points per game (this is propped up considerably from the Rams game where their 28 points were generated from 34 total yards of offense).  I don't think their offense will see significant improvement under Tua, mainly because they still can't run the ball effectively.  They won the SF game, and were in the SEA and BUF games because of fitz - and he's now on the bench.  

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35 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

It's crazy how bad the bills defense is considered on the board - 

 

20th in yards per play, 15th in points allowed per game.  So... basically middle of the road.  The biggest concern to me is the 3rd down defense which is ranked 30th.  The rush defense also needs to improve, which will help keep teams in harder 3rd down situations.  If they can get off the field more they'll allow fewer yards and points.  

 

On offense they're 9th in yards per play, and 19th in points per game, 9th in points per drive.  They have the best 3rd down offense in the NFL, and are 12th in RZ TD%. 

 

While our defense is "holding us back", the media ignores the Miami offense being as bad or worse than buffalo's defense.  23rd in yards per play, 11th in points per game (this is propped up considerably from the Rams game where their 28 points were generated from 34 total yards of offense).  I don't think their offense will see significant improvement under Tua, mainly because they still can't run the ball effectively.  They won the SF game, and were in the SEA and BUF games because of fitz - and he's now on the bench.  

How about 2 wins vs. one of the worst offenses in the league NYJ, another vs. NE coming off games they scored 10, 12 & 9 poiints and moving the ball at will vs. Buffalo.  Yes good offenses with KC, LAR & Tenn, two of which gashed them on the ground and the third scored at will (yes some short fields, but converted every time).

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1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

How about 2 wins vs. one of the worst offenses in the league NYJ, another vs. NE coming off games they scored 10, 12 & 9 poiints and moving the ball at will vs. Buffalo.  Yes good offenses with KC, LAR & Tenn, two of which gashed them on the ground and the third scored at will (yes some short fields, but converted every time).

 

I don't think the defense is good, but this board acts like they are some level of historically bad.  Improvements on 3rd down would go a long way for them.  KC was 9/14, Tenn was 6/10, Vegas was 8/14, Rams 6/10.  Right now our % is higher than the worst defenses in the league a year ago, and the average yards per drive is also up considerably as a result.  

 

If they can figure out how to get off the field they go from a poor defense to an OK defense.  This is legit flipping 3-5 play results per game.  Better tackling, better pressure (Buffalo is tied for 10th in sacks, but losing contain and generating more pressure up the middle would help), and better awareness could help tip the scales here.

 

This also harms the offense - they currently have the 2nd fewest total drives of teams who have played 8 games.  They have a low points per game average as a result.  Fewer drives leads to fewer plays leads to fewer yards leads to fewer points.

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2 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

I don't think the defense is good, but this board acts like they are some level of historically bad.  Improvements on 3rd down would go a long way for them.  KC was 9/14, Tenn was 6/10, Vegas was 8/14, Rams 6/10.  Right now our % is higher than the worst defenses in the league a year ago, and the average yards per drive is also up considerably as a result.  

 

If they can figure out how to get off the field they go from a poor defense to an OK defense.  This is legit flipping 3-5 play results per game.  Better tackling, better pressure (Buffalo is tied for 10th in sacks, but losing contain and generating more pressure up the middle would help), and better awareness could help tip the scales here.

 

This also harms the offense - they currently have the 2nd fewest total drives of teams who have played 8 games.  They have a low points per game average as a result.  Fewer drives leads to fewer plays leads to fewer yards leads to fewer points.

This again goes back to McD & a false sense of security about the Defense, which was ranked very high the past two years, but also were recipients of weak schedules & bad teams.  Last year name a top flight passing Qb they faced (Tom Brady with a weak receiving core, Lamar not a great passer, Dak who threw for 350)....  It actually was just horrible, which resulted in overestimating their ability, and now are seeing what probably was always there. 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2019.htm

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On 11/3/2020 at 6:10 AM, Beerball said:

That spotlight illuminated the fact that the Bills are still The Not Ready for Prime Time Players.

 

We were, many of us, giddy going into the TN game and the team shat the bed.  It’s nice that we have a decent team. We do not have a dominant team.

Yet...

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On 11/3/2020 at 8:04 AM, Billsfan1972 said:

They were after week 4, but now not so much as people for the most part are meh about a 6-2 team that has not played well the past four weeks.

 

I wish it was different, but it is what it is.

 

Look at the stories going on.....

 

WIlson and the 6-1 Seahwaks, Pitt undefeated, KC being KC, TB  & TB, Brees and what exactly are the Saints, NYJ (ha ha ha), Dallas (what a disaster), Rodgers regressing, Baltimore and has the league figured out Lamar, Arizona & is Kyler a star, Burrow, Herbert........

 

I want the Bills in thew spotlight and hope that changes the next two weeks. 


Football fans across the country see and understand the strides the Bills are making.  Right now they look like the top team in the AFCE, possibly a playoff home game win, and that could be their ceiling for the season.  That would be a good step.  Like the progression most teams have to make before they are ready to win it all. 
 

National Spotlights and big media are for those who crave attention.  

 

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1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

This again goes back to McD & a false sense of security about the Defense, which was ranked very high the past two years, but also were recipients of weak schedules & bad teams.  Last year name a top flight passing Qb they faced (Tom Brady with a weak receiving core, Lamar not a great passer, Dak who threw for 350)....  It actually was just horrible, which resulted in overestimating their ability, and now are seeing what probably was always there. 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2019.htm

 

I still think they're probably better than the worst 3rd down defense in the NFL.  If they can improve that and get off the field it'll go a long way.  

 

Maybe lamar wasn't a great passer but they were #1 in scoring and #2 in yards.  They had a season low in yards against buffalo in 2019.

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On 11/3/2020 at 9:04 AM, Billsfan1972 said:

 

I wish it was different, but it is what it is.

 

 

I want the Bills in thew spotlight and hope that changes the next two weeks. 


What a sad, insecure take to have. Maybe I’ve been missing the point all these years, but I thought the goal is to win games, not attract attention from big market media. If the team keeps on winning, what on earth is your problem (besides finding something else to complain about every other day)?

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4 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:


What a sad, insecure take to have. Maybe I’ve been missing the point all these years, but I thought the goal is to win games, not attract attention from big market media. If the team keeps on winning, what on earth is your problem (besides finding something else to complain about every other day)?

When I turn on ESPN, or any radio station in the car, or watch TV on Monday, like most Fans I want to see my team talked about.  Sorry WGR doesn't cut it for me.  

 

Yep it was fun watching Highly Questionable, Around the Horn or PTI..... and the Bills discussed (vs. NE or GB, NO, TB, Cowboys, KC, Balt and the usual suspects).  I'd say that is a normal reaction. 

 

I don't like the way the Bills have played the last 4 weeks and surprise, neither has the National Media and thus they've cooled on them.

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49 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

When I turn on ESPN, or any radio station in the car, or watch TV on Monday, like most Fans I want to see my team talked about.  Sorry WGR doesn't cut it for me.  

 

Yep it was fun watching Highly Questionable, Around the Horn or PTI..... and the Bills discussed (vs. NE or GB, NO, TB, Cowboys, KC, Balt and the usual suspects).  I'd say that is a normal reaction. 

 

I don't like the way the Bills have played the last 4 weeks and surprise, neither has the National Media and thus they've cooled on them.


Well going to ESPN of all places for NFL news and analysis is one of your many mistakes. It isn’t 1999 anymore. If local coverage isn’t available (or good enough) for you then try NFLN. The morning show talks about the Bills on a consistent basis.

 

And if you want “pretty wins” to crow about realize the team is still a work in progress. Check in after at least 4-5 years of sustained success and if they’re still winning by 2 every week then gripe away I suppose. 

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3 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:


Well going to ESPN of all places for NFL news and analysis is one of your many mistakes. It isn’t 1999 anymore. If local coverage isn’t available (or good enough) for you then try NFLN. The morning show talks about the Bills on a consistent basis.

 

And if you want “pretty wins” to crow about realize the team is still a work in progress. Check in after at least 4-5 years of sustained success and if they’re still winning by 2 every week then gripe away I suppose. 

Yes. ESPN is a shell of its former self.  I don’t waste a minute of time on it.  

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On 11/3/2020 at 6:10 AM, Beerball said:

That spotlight illuminated the fact that the Bills are still The Not Ready for Prime Time Players.

 

We were, many of us, giddy going into the TN game and the team shat the bed.  It’s nice that we have a decent team. We do not have a dominant team.

You won't get national respect until you earn it. Beating Dallas on Thanksgiving got us attention but crapping that lead in Houston cancelled that out. Our team this year is offensively better but suddenly our defense is terrible. My goal this year was to win the AFCE for the first time in 25 years and win 1 playoff game (Colts). Hopefully we can achieve these goals but there's no way we're ready yet to beat KC, Pittsburgh, Tenn. or Baltimore. We need a better defense, Guards and TE. 

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39 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

You won't get national respect until you earn it. Beating Dallas on Thanksgiving got us attention but crapping that lead in Houston cancelled that out. Our team this year is offensively better but suddenly our defense is terrible. My goal this year was to win the AFCE for the first time in 25 years and win 1 playoff game (Colts). Hopefully we can achieve these goals but there's no way we're ready yet to beat KC, Pittsburgh, Tenn. or Baltimore. We need a better defense, Guards and TE. 

I will disagree as I am an optimist on everyone except KC.  Pitt is really making many mistakes and have been lucky a few games.  Tenn is like us, good, not great & Baltimore if they're behind, they too are in trouble.

 

Again I'm high on the Bills once the coaching improves.  The losses (and last 4 games) show their deficiencies.

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