All wins are ugly in this league

[Mikie2times]

We are seeing very negative threads following Bills wins.  

 

I'm sure most on here can recall a hell of a lot of games the past 20 years we lost by not executing in small areas, by a small margins of defeat, failing on the last drive, etc.... MOST the games in the last 20 years went that way. If you paid close attention to the league the past 20 years you would notice most NFL games go that way and a higher % of divisional games. It is VERY unusual to have an NFL game with a line greater than a margin of 7. All of them are supposed to be close.   

 

We were excellent at not winning close games for 20 years and now we are becoming excellent at winning them. For all but a couple of teams each year that is the definition of success and we are getting consistent in that definition. We aren't the Chiefs, who this year really are the only world beaters. Nobody here would ever try and claim we are the Chiefs. If, when, until, we become a team of that caliber, for the most part, they all will all be ugly. As a good team, we will win most. We will get in the playoffs and once you do that you can keep advancing and you hope to get positioned to play a world beater and be at your best.  

 

On a positive note......

 

We made the playoffs 2 of the the last 3 seasons, certainly looks like it will be 3 of 4.

 

Currently a heavy favorite to host the first Bills playoff game in 25 years even though nobody will be able to attend it (sad face emoji).

 

From all appearances, we have our Franchise QB.

 

Beane is not as good as you think he is. He is very good, but some of you act as if he's not going to miss on FA's or draft picks. More a result of our own fan base turning him into a deity but that's not exactl fair. He's accomplished more than any GM since Bill Polian. We have no reason to not give him the benefit of the doubt along with McDermott. We can also criticize as we would anybody else. Just do yourself a favor, don't expect either to be perfect and don't expect us to roll teams. Even bad ones. That's just not where we are at nor how the NFL works.

 

HUGE win today, another example of one we would have lost 100 out of 100 times the last 20 years, not anymore. 

 

GO BILLS!  

Edited November 2, 2020 by KzooMike

[TwistofFate]

2 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

We are seeing very negative threads following Bills wins.  

 

I'm sure most on here can recall a hell of a lot of games the past 20 years we lost by not executing in small areas, by a small margins of defeat, failing on the last drive, etc.... MOST the games in the last 20 years went that way. If you paid close attention to the league the past 20 years you would notice most NFL games go that way and a higher % of divisional games. It is VERY unusual to have an NFL game with a line greater than a margin of 7. All of them are supposed to be close.   

 

We were excellent at not winning close games for 20 years and now we are becoming excellent at winning them. For all but a couple of teams each year that is the definition of success and we are getting consistent in that definition. We aren't the Chiefs, who this year really are the only world beaters. Nobody here would ever try and claim we are the Chiefs. If, when, until, we become a team of that caliber, for the most part, they all will all be ugly. As a good team, we will win most. We will get in the playoffs and once you do that you can keep advancing and you hope to get positioned to play a world beater and be at your best.  

 

On a positive note......

 

We made the playoffs 2 of the the last 3 seasons, certainly looks like it will be 3 of 4.

 

Currently a heavy favorite to host the first Bills playoff game in 25 years even though nobody will be able to attend it (sad face emoji).

 

From all appearances, we have our Franchise QB.

 

Beane is not as good as you think he is. He is very good, but some of you act as if he's not going to miss on FA's or draft picks. More a result of our own fan base turning him into a deity but that's not exactl fair. He's accomplished more than any GM since Bill Polian. We have no reason to not give him the benefit of the doubt along with McDermott. We can also criticize as we would anybody else. Just do yourself a favor, don't expect either to be perfect and don't expect us to roll teams. Even bad ones. That's just not where we are at nor how the NFL works.

 

HUGE win today, another example of one we would have lost 100 or 100 times the last 20 years, but not anymore. 

 

GO BILLS!  

Not convinced. Was almost a believer after the first quarter of the season, but his fall off since then has been drastic in every passing metric. 

 

We aren't going anywhere with the defense not playing as well as they used to and an offense that sporadic and inconsistent. 

 

I hope they get it together or we are going to see a few more blow outs this year. 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

 

4 years into a regime fans expect the team to not be winning by using their face to stop punches.

 

They expect a contender and playing this way they sure don't seem like it right now.

 

The reality is that McDermott and Beane have been the LUCKIEST regime since Polian.    By a lot.

 

Be it easy schedules or having the opportunity to draft the last two NFL MVP's(though they ultimately chose neither)...........the regime have had a lot of breaks so it's concerning that their roster doesn't look better and that they aren't executing better on both sides of the ball.

 

The upside is that things can change..........maybe they find their stride and start playing better team defense and John Brown gets healthy and they get their passing game going again or maybe they make some trades or moves..........but I totally understand the frustration even if I think today's win was very important.

 

 

[NewEra]

Great post.  I concur 💯 

[US Egg]

One stat that defies logic of this Bills 6-2 team is that less points for than against.

 

Go Bills.

[MJS]

46 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Not convinced. Was almost a believer after the first quarter of the season, but his fall off since then has been drastic in every passing metric. 

 

We aren't going anywhere with the defense not playing as well as they used to and an offense that sporadic and inconsistent. 

 

I hope they get it together or we are going to see a few more blow outs this year. 

 

We're going nowhere? We're 6-2, in first place in the division (having gone 4-0 in the division so far), and are on our way to a home playoff game.

[DollaBills]

6 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

One stat that defies logic of this Bills 6-2 team is that less points for than against.

 

Go Bills.

Its simple, getting blown out by true contenders, and the inability to truly put weaker teams away. ie-- win close games, and suffer blowouts. its strange but the bills are ALWAYS good for a blowout loss to a team or two every year

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, I am the egg man said:

One stat that defies logic of this Bills 6-2 team is that less points for than against.

 

Go Bills.

And we sucked against DVOA last year and do again this year. Again, we aren’t a top 2–3 team, we aren’t going to blow teams out and progression in this league is not linear. It never is. If we want to B word and moan after we win every close one all we will be doing is bitching all year as we make our way to the first home playoff game in 25 years. We have sucked for two decades, you would think by now we would have learned a degree of respect and patience towards the football gods.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, TwistofFate said:

Not convinced. Was almost a believer after the first quarter of the season, but his fall off since then has been drastic in every passing metric. 

 

We aren't going anywhere with the defense not playing as well as they used to and an offense that sporadic and inconsistent. 

 

I hope they get it together or we are going to see a few more blow outs this year. 

 

There isn't one Bills fan on this planet who wasn't preparing for a loss in those last 40 seconds.  We couldn't stop anything. We are playing badly these last 4 weeks and fans have every right to be concerned. Yes I'm grateful for a win and a 6-2 record. But today was the first time in nearly 50 years of watching Bills games where the W felt off? The next 5 games will prove everything. 

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, TwistofFate said:

Not convinced. Was almost a believer after the first quarter of the season, but his fall off since then has been drastic in every passing metric. 

 

We aren't going anywhere with the defense not playing as well as they used to and an offense that sporadic and inconsistent. 

 

I hope they get it together or we are going to see a few more blow outs this year. 

 

Not only does Josh Allen remain a total enigma, but I'm surprised how many people are signing up for another one and done playoff appearance, which this team has written all over it.

 

I'm always amazed at how low Bills fans' expectations are.

 

 

49 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

And we sucked against DVOA last year and do again this year. Again, we aren’t a top 2–3 team, we aren’t going to blow teams out and progression in this league is not linear. It never is. If we want to B word and moan after we win every close one all we will be doing is bitching all year as we make our way to the first home playoff game in 25 years. We have sucked for two decades, you would think by now we would have learned a degree of respect and patience towards the football gods.

There are no football gods.

 

 

[Success]

It was still Bill "GOAT" Belichick on the sidelines over there.  I don't care how many guys were out on the Patriots.  It was never a given that we were going to run away w/ this one, no matter how good we're supposed to be.

 

Given the conditions, the fact that we put up 24 is noteworthy.  The offense did its job.

 

The D had an outstanding 1st half, and made the big play when it counted in the 2nd.

 

I don't really get the hand-wringing.  Beating THAT team in a crucial division game, to get to 6-2 and a commanding division lead?  That can't possibly be ugly. That's a beautiful thing.

 

[Chandler#81]

7 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Not only does Josh Allen remain a total enigma, but I'm surprised how many people are signing up for another one and done playoff appearance, which this team has written all over it.

 

I'm always amazed at how low Bills fans' expectations are.

 

 

There are no football gods.

 

 

Weren’t you encouraged to leave and start a new life? This one obviously doesn’t suit you.

[Nextmanup]

Just now, Chandler#81 said:

Weren’t you encouraged to leave and start a new life? This one obviously doesn’t suit you.

Go to bed old man.  It's past your bedtime.

 

 

[Chandler#81]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

Go to bed old man.  It's past your bedtime.

 

 

Oh, how very little you know -as evidenced every time you type.

[Nextmanup]

1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:

Oh, how very little you know -as evidenced every time you type.

Hey!  How about leaving me the F. alone and stop harassing me, you creep.

 

Who moderates the moderators around here? You're freaking horrid at your job.

 

 

Edited November 2, 2020 by Nextmanup

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Hey!  How about leaving me the F. alone and stop harassing me, you creep.

 

Who moderates the moderators around here? You're freaking horrid at your job.

 

 

You’re a horrid poster. I’d absolutely prefer to leave you alone but your ever negative, bs posting requires attention. 

Any of this getting through to you? Anything at all??

[Nelius]

The confident "one and done" playoff team touts are lazy. This team has already beat the Raiders and Dolphins this year. Two teams currently looking like playoff bubble teams. The type that would have a good shot to play a division winning #3 seed.

 

Also, despite an all-world defensive roster, the Ravens have been looking pretty beatable lately. Signed, frustrated Lamar Jackson fantasy owner.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Nelius

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, KzooMike said:

 

All wins are ugly in this league

 

 

 

No, not hardly all of 'em. What part of the 35 - 9 Chiefs win over the Jets was ugly for the Chiefs?

 

Having said that, you're right that this was a big win and a nice win. The Bills haven't managed a lot of timely last-minute wins on forced turnovers at the last minute against the Pats.

 

I was smiling and screaming "Zimmer!!" for about ten minutes after.

 

 

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

4 years into a regime fans expect the team to not be winning by using their face to stop punches.

 

They expect a contender and playing this way they sure don't seem like it right now.

 

The reality is that McDermott and Beane have been the LUCKIEST regime since Polian.    By a lot.

 

 

 

Luckiest regime since Polian? Fair enough.

 

Thing is, you make your own luck. And they've made theirs. Luck is the residue of design. Luck is the intersection of preparation and opportunity. And all the other quotations about luck. All true.

 

Great win.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Thurman#1

[smuvtalker]

17 minutes ago, Nelius said:

The confident "one and done" playoff team touts are lazy. This team has already beat the Raiders and Dolphins this year. Two teams currently looking like playoff bubble teams. The type that would have a good shot to play a division winning #3 seed.

 

Also, despite an all-world defensive roster, the Ravens have been looking pretty beatable lately. Signed, frustrated Lamar Jackson fantasy owner.

My condolences to your fantasy team, lol.

 

Naw but seriously, the mere fact that we sit at 4-0 in the division right now gives me a good level of confidence that we'll win the division.  Anything can happen between now and then, and if I had to make a guess at our seed, optimistically I could see us with the #3 seed.  But we have alot of work to do defense-wise.  I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm happy I'm able to, I'm not worried at all about our offense.  While Allen's numbers have dipped since his MVP-worthy first four games, to me he's still playing excellent football, making smart decisions with the football, having a much better feel for when to tuck it and run vs checking to his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options.  IMO today, the wind didn't seem to bother his throws at all.  The majority of his passes were crisp and on the money, and as much as I love Davis, he absolutely should've had that touchdown catch to seal the game.  I mean he's made several veteran-like catches this year, that ball should've been an easy TD for him.  And to see our running game show up today, against a team who's strength was run defense, well that was just awesome.  Feliciano deserves much credit for that.  I pray Morse can recover from that concussion, because I'd much rather prefer Feliciano at guard then center.

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

There isn't one Bills fan on this planet who wasn't preparing for a loss in those last 40 seconds.  We couldn't stop anything. We are playing badly these last 4 weeks and fans have every right to be concerned. Yes I'm grateful for a win and a 6-2 record. But today was the first time in nearly 50 years of watching Bills games where the W felt off? The next 5 games will prove everything. 

 

 

Nonsense. I'm one and I'm sure there are thousands and thousands of others.

 

I was aware there was certainly a chance but also very very aware it wasn't the only possibility.

[TBBills]

The game showed even if the Bills make the playoffs they are a one and done team when they get there.

[HOUSE]

We are not seeing negative threads. Must have been another board

 

 

[billsfan_34]

6 hours ago, MJS said:

We're going nowhere? We're 6-2, in first place in the division (having gone 4-0 in the division so far), and are on our way to a home playoff game.

Our next 5 games may just put us at 6-7. This is a very rough stretch.

[BillsFanSD]

4 hours ago, Nelius said:

The confident "one and done" playoff team touts are lazy. This team has already beat the Raiders and Dolphins this year. Two teams currently looking like playoff bubble teams. The type that would have a good shot to play a division winning #3 seed.

 

Also, despite an all-world defensive roster, the Ravens have been looking pretty beatable lately. Signed, frustrated Lamar Jackson fantasy owner.

Agreed.  If the playoffs were tomorrow, I would not be feeling too terribly confident, although I imagine we would be favored against the Colts, Raiders, or Browns.  But that doesn't matter because the playoffs aren't tomorrow.  Every year we see a team or that gets hot at the right time and overperforms in the post-season.  If we get some guys healthy and find a way to boost the defense to least average, there's no reason why that can't be us.  We're well-positioned for it.

[Greg S]

Yes they have their flaws. The defense really needs help but unfortunately they wont get fixed until the offseason with the draft and FA. I am going to enjoy a 6-2 first place record with 4-0 division record. Let Beane and McDermott worry about the roster. That is their job not mine.

[Big Turk]

More than ever it seems like no lead is safe in the NFL. Week after week you see teams up by 2 or 3 scores losing or having to hold on for dear life at the end of the games. 

 

It is kind of crazy actually...great for the NFL because it builds excitement but fans are riding rollercoasters all game long.

[Teddy KGB]

The 49ers beat the snot out of the pats last week.  
 

There was nothing ugly about it.  

[BuffaloBobs]

3 hours ago, TBBills said:

The game showed even if the Bills make the playoffs they are a one and done team when they get there.

 

If the playoffs began today we'd play the Colts at home. If you don't think there's at least an even chance that we could beat the Colts -- who lost to the Browns and Jaguars and nearly to the Bengals, I don't know what to tell you. This is the most talented and promising team that we've seen in decades.

[Bills fan since 87]

4 hours ago, TBBills said:

The game showed even if the Bills make the playoffs they are a one and done team when they get there.

 

Teams that look so so in the regular season win all the time in the playoffs.  Pdont put top much stock in a week 8 game

Edited November 2, 2020 by Bills fan since 87

[Greg S]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBobs said:

 

If the playoffs began today we'd play the Colts at home. If you don't think there's at least an even chance that we could beat the Colts -- who lost to the Browns and Jaguars and nearly to the Bengals, I don't know what to tell you. This is the most talented and promising team that we've seen in decades.

 

I agree with you on the offense but the defense has declined. Still this is looking like a good year. Hopefully they can win the division and get a home playoff game. I also think they are capable of winning a playoff game but this roster needs improvements especially on defense to hang with the AFC's elite.

[Bills fan since 87]

14 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

The 49ers beat the snot out of the pats last week.  
 

There was nothing ugly about it.  

 

And the dolphins beat the snot out of them, point?

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, Bills fan since 87 said:

 

And the dolphins beat the snot out of them, point?

You can figure it out.   It won’t take long.   

[CBennett]

No, most of the time when a good team plays a bad team the results are like yesterdays KC Jets game..THAT is what the Bills SHOULD have done to the Jets. Or the Indy Detroit game...thats just what happens or normally happens good Vs bad..now you can have 2 bad teams play each other or 2 good teams play each other and you can have a decently close game or a blowout..but when you can only beat BAD teams by a couple points ...im not that sold on you being "good"  how about play a good team tight/close(that happened LA Rams game) but gotta quit with the close games Vs garbage teams and getting blown out by other good teams..they play like they did this week next week they will get crushed by 21+

 

[BuffaloBobs]

Just now, Greg S said:

 

I agree with you on the offense but the defense has declined. Still this is looking like a good year. Hopefully they can win the division and get a home playoff game. I also think they are capable of winning a playoff game but this roster needs improvements especially on defense to hang with the AFC's elite.

 

We can hang with anyone -- look at the games the Titans, Chiefs and Ravens have dropped this season. Any given Sunday...

[Greg S]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBobs said:

 

We can hang with anyone -- look at the games the Titans, Chiefs and Ravens have dropped this season. Any given Sunday...

 

Pitt will be the real test. That is "the game" for the Bills to prove they belong. I actually think Pitt is better than KC. They are strong on both sides of the ball.

[CBennett]

17 minutes ago, BuffaloBobs said:

 

We can hang with anyone -- look at the games the Titans, Chiefs and Ravens have dropped this season. Any given Sunday...

They still have to prove that to me this year....they have "hung with" 1 decent team and they won that LA Rams..they got blown out by every other good team they played. If anything we can say the Bills let ANYONE hang with them..they cant put away/blow out ANYONE...and their offense and Dfense are trending Down rather than up..forst 4 games they were light out good on O..last 4 games they were lights out BAD. and worse than bad on D. am I happy they are 6-2 YES...but I think its more a product of the schedule than being a really good team.  The first 4 games because they were SCORING yes I agree 100% they could hang with anyone with that O..... The last 4 games they have been HORRIBLE on O and on D..the difference in the last 4 games is that they more or less played the same in all of them BADLY..BUT they faced 2 good teams 2 BAD losses and 2 horrible teams 2 barely wins...had they faced 4 good teams in this last 4 games they would have 4 L's instead of being 2-2.

 

My guess is with the remaining schedule they will PLAYING AS THEY HAVE BEEN on O and D

 

Seattle L

Arizona L

Chargers W

San Fran L

SteelersL

DenverW

NE tossup

Miami Tossup

 

So that = this year they should end up anywhere from 10-6 to 8-8

[BuffaloBobs]

5 minutes ago, CBennett said:

They still have to prove that to me this year....they have "hung with" 1 decent team and they won that LA Rams..they got blown out by every other good team they played. If anything we can say the Bills let ANYONE hang with them..they cant put away/blow out ANYONE...and their offense and Dfense are trending Down rather than up..forst 4 games they were light out good on O..last 4 games they were lights out BAD. and worse than bad on D. am I happy they are 6-2 YES...but I think its more a product of the schedule than being a really good team.  The first 4 games because they were SCORING yes I agree 100% they could hang with anyone with that O..... The last 4 games they have been HORRIBLE on O and on D..the difference in the last 4 games is that they more or less played the same in all of them BADLY..BUT they faced 2 good teams 2 BAD losses and 2 horrible teams 2 barely wins...had they faced 4 good teams in this last 4 games they would have 4 L's instead of being 2-2.

 

My guess is with the remaining schedule they will PLAYING AS THEY HAVE BEEN on O and D

 

Seattle L

Arizona L

Chargers W

San Fran L

SteelersL

DenverW

NE tossup

Miami Tossup

 

So that = this year they should end up anywhere from 10-6 to 8-8

 

The Raiders have wins against the Saints, Chiefs and Browns -- they're a quality team. The Dolphins and Patriots also aren't pushovers which is why you've got them as tossups in your schedule for the rest of the year, so let's give the team some credit for beating them once already, especially because the Dolphins offense looked night and day better with Fitzpatrick (who we beat) and the Patriots were literally playing for their season.

 

As for your sure losses, Cardinals have lost to the Lions and Panthers. Those are both teams that we are objectively better than. San Francisco is dealing with some of the worst injuries that I have ever seen and who knows what they will look like when we play them. Seattle has played almost every game tight with one score games against the Dolphins, Vikings (one point), and Cowboys.

 

Any given Sunday in the NFL and I wouldn't count them out in any of the remaining games. IMHO the toughest three games of our schedule are Chiefs, Titans, and Steelers and we've got two of three out of the way already and are at 6-2.

[TwistofFate]

8 hours ago, MJS said:

We're going nowhere? We're 6-2, in first place in the division (having gone 4-0 in the division so far), and are on our way to a home playoff game.

I want to be much more than one and done. We've been in that position twice in 3 years. 

[nucci]

A lot of them yesterday if you watched the red zone channel...plus Eagles last night

[Mikie2times]

6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

No, not hardly all of 'em. What part of the 35 - 9 Chiefs win over the Jets was ugly for the Chiefs?

 

Having said that, you're right that this was a big win and a nice win. The Bills haven't managed a lot of timely last-minute wins on forced turnovers at the last minute against the Pats.

 

I was smiling and screaming "Zimmer!!" for about ten minutes after.

 

I literally directly referenced the Chiefs. 

5 hours ago, TBBills said:

The game showed even if the Bills make the playoffs they are a one and done team when they get there.

Yes, this one game proved that. No way we could beat a meddling potential playoff team like, I don't know, like the Patriots or the Dolphins or the Rams or the......

Edited November 2, 2020 by KzooMike