Jets may also be shopping Q Williams.

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

Buffalo would need to over pay making a trade in the same division, lets face it, won't happen

Not necessarily. The Jets are tanking, no? Losing Williams would HELP the Jets, not hurt them. 

 

If the Jets lose out and draft 1st, they will make untold money by drafting Lawrence. Seriously.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Hard to say. I will state point blank that I am SURE that he is a very good football player. About this I have no doubt. Still in all, I think that he went a bit early in the draft and remember saying so on this board with @BADOLBILZ.

Now, what would be the cost? That is clearly the deciding factor under any conditions. A late 1st? A 2nd and a 4th? I suppose it would depend on how much Beane (notice I said Beane, not McDermott) thinks that we need him.

That said, would the Jets trade him in the division? Normally I would say no way, but I make the case that they are CLEARLY tanking. I said this before I heard anything about this article. I think that the possibility exists that we could get him. 

As I said in another post, Lawrence in NY (NJ) would be the next Joe Namath in terms of hype, etc. He would make the owner of the Jets untold millions and increase the value of the franchise by a billion or so.

As always, jmo.

 

Very measured take, @Bill from NYC, Thanks!

 

I think your point is well-taken that while Frazier and McDermott say they have the personnel they need, it is ultimately Beane who is evaluating the roster and making decisions about where we need to improve.

 

 

1 hour ago, Victory Formation said:

I’d give them a 2nd plus Cody Ford for him.

 

Yeah, No.

17 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I would really like calling AZ and see if Haasan Reddick is available 

 

Isn't Arizona trying to be competitive?  Why would they trade their starting OLB?

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Very measured take, @Bill from NYC, Thanks!

 

I think your point is well-taken that while Frazier and McDermott say they have the personnel they need, it is ultimately Beane who is evaluating the roster and making decisions about where we need to improve.

 

 

 

Yeah, No.

 

Isn't Arizona trying to be competitive?  Why would they trade their starting OLB?

He isn’t getting playing time I think he is depth this year. and just drafted Simmons who is a very similar player. 
 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/snap-counts?year=2020&team=ARI&week=ALL&position=LB&op=Submit&form_build_id=form-vWpKbaQFrdc5UhXGsJO3cBcoYqKyg7aOd7AitCfTLuA&form_id=fo_stats_snap_counts_form

Edited October 15, 2020 by MAJBobby

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

He isn’t getting playing time I think he is depth this year. and just drafted Simmons who is a very similar player. 
 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/snap-counts?year=2020&team=ARI&week=ALL&position=LB&op=Submit&form_build_id=form-vWpKbaQFrdc5UhXGsJO3cBcoYqKyg7aOd7AitCfTLuA&form_id=fo_stats_snap_counts_form

 

He's been getting half the snaps, but Chandler Jones was just IR'd so unclear what will happen - not that he's a Chandler Jones replacement, but the Birds may need to platoon to replace Jones.

[atlbillsfan1975]

2 hours ago, Mango said:

The most interesting part of this, and we may see similar, is that there is really no college football this year. We are running on 2019 tape for most of these guys. Depending on cost, there is more value to making a move like this than there is to going after guys in the draft. 

Curious what the cost is. It may even be worth while for Buffalo to jump a round or add the additional pick because it is in the division. Maybe not with Williams, but any other opportunities that might arise. 

 

Cheers!

 

 

What are you talking about?! I will say there is better college football this year. Teams playing conference only schedules don’t get to take weeks off, well at least in the SEC. 

[YoloinOhio]

Tankilicious 

[jkeerie]

I think Williams could help the Bills, but likely the price will be too high.

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, Whkfc said:

Supposedly the asking price is a second rd pick dude is still just 22 yrs old and on a rookie deal. 

If it is a second rounder only I would go for it. He is a great talent and contract is reasonable now- would be possibly hold out for more money is my only concern of investment

[BuffAlone]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

yes please. He's going to be a beast. Him and Oliver? sign me up

[Buffalo Barbarian]

We should be right on this, our D front needs all the help it can get.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

We should be right on this, our D front needs all the help it can get.

 

 

Can’t see jets trading in the division 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Can’t see jets trading in the division 

 

True but we have a chance at a SB, we need to get this defense back to last years level . Our run offense is garbage too , all the strengths from last year are gone and all we have now is a passing game , it would be nice to actually have everything hitting on all cylinders.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

True but we have a chance at a SB, we need to get this defense back to last years level . Our run offense is garbage too , all the strengths from last year are gone and all we have now is a passing game , it would be nice to actually have everything hitting on all cylinders.

 

 

Sure but it takes two, and I don’t even think they are that dumb to trade their 2019 1st rounder to a division “rival” 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Sure but it takes two, and I don’t even think they are that dumb to trade their 2019 1st rounder to a division “rival” 

 

Its the jets man, anything can happen, im more confident now than ever 😀

 

 

5 hours ago, ChanticleerBillsFan said:

Would he help fill the Star role?

 

Can he come back or does he have to sit out all year?

 

 

[gobills404]

Offer them harrison, a 2nd, and tell them Allen will give Darnold free quarterbacking lessons.

[Punching Bag]

10 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

 

They MAY be giving Adam Gase a coach for life position.

 

MAY means could be or could not be which means worthless.

[shoshin]

9 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

If it is a second rounder only I would go for it. He is a great talent and contract is reasonable now- would be possibly hold out for more money is my only concern of investment

Second round pick for a guy who sits in the bench for 50% of their snaps?

 

No way. He’s worth a tire kick but the rate is a lot lower than a 2.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 minutes ago, shoshin said:

Second round pick for a guy who sits in the bench for 50% of their snaps?

 

No way. He’s worth a tire kick but the rate is a lot lower than a 2.  

How about a top ten pick for a guy who sits on the bench 50% of the snaps?

[Bill from NYC]

7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Sure but it takes two, and I don’t even think they are that dumb to trade their 2019 1st rounder to a division “rival” 

It wouldn't be so dumb if they lost out, got the first pick, and the franchise value increased by hundreds of millions of dollars.

 

I think that at this point, losing is clearly what the Jets are striving for this season.

[shoshin]

6 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

How about a top ten pick for a guy who sits on the bench 50% of the snaps?

Oliver had a great year last year. The bills now have 3 starters gone from last year’s line and I know a lot of focus is on the interior of the line but our run D is better than most think. Our pass D is atrocious. Our ends get zero pressure and when we do get beaten on big runs, they come when our ends consistently  have no seal. They’ve been terrible. 
 

I can’t judge Oliver harshly when only he and Addison are doing anything. 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

13 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

How about a top ten pick for a guy who sits on the bench 50% of the snaps?

Crusade

[cage]

12 hours ago, mbs said:

We give them our first they give us Williams and a second. We only drop one pick and I still have hope for QW.

 

Now you recognize that our first may be in the high 20s, while the Jets second will be in the low 30s.  The typical price for that kind of move in the draft is about a 4th rounder.  They may not trade him for that... 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

True but we have a chance at a SB, we need to get this defense back to last years level . Our run offense is garbage too , all the strengths from last year are gone and all we have now is a passing game , it would be nice to actually have everything hitting on all cylinders.

 

What if I told you our rush D is currently #14 and just severely limited Jon Jacobs (#7) and Derrick Henry  (#2) in back to back games? (We were #10 last year vs rush)

 

That's not to say our D doesn't need a serious improvement if we're going to get anywhere, but there's a difference between needs improvement, and "garbage"

 

One thing though, we truly need better depth at some key spots because injuries do happen.  We are thin as boardinghouse PB at LB and CB.

[colin]

id take him for a 2nd.  an extra talented body upfront and a big dude given a second chance is often a good thing for at least a year or so.

 

it would protect our LBs from blockers and allow them to make some plays.

[HOUSE]

A number 2 will do but I like a number 4 even more.....

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, shoshin said:

Second round pick for a guy who sits in the bench for 50% of their snaps?

 

No way. He’s worth a tire kick but the rate is a lot lower than a 2.  

Our Dline is built to be rotated in and out, if he gives us quality plays when in there I think a second is a great deal. How much Epnesa play when fully acclimated? I still bet less than 75%.

[Putin]

14 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Wouldn’t surprise me to see Darnold traded to Colts 

[shoshin]

27 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Our Dline is built to be rotated in and out, if he gives us quality plays when in there I think a second is a great deal. How much Epnesa play when fully acclimated? I still bet less than 75%.

I like the upside of a Quinnen project, especially coming out of the cultural hellhole of the Jets. But the price has got to be lower than a 2d and probably about a 5-7th. The guy has not produced. 

[ProcessTruster]

14 hours ago, gjv001 said:

If Beane could trade for Williams and a quality LB, that could be the shot in the arm our Defense needs.

If someone is crazy dumping players for draft picks, sure, but in general , no GM is trading his better players at this stage of the season, esp with Covid a threat to trash your roster at any moment.   The Bills roster pretty much is what it is at this point.  Star will be back next year and the 1 technique issue goes away.  Trust the Process.   No knee jerking please.   An injury ridded Bills team lost to a loaded Titans team playing at home on two weeks rest.  nuf said.   the whole "next man up" garbage is just that, garbage.   And unless Tre , Milano, TE are at full strength , I fully expect KC to put up 35-40 on Monday night as well.   We ain't playing Duck Rodgers every game this year.  

Edited October 16, 2020 by ProcessTruster

[MAJBobby]

4 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

They MAY be giving Adam Gase a coach for life position.

 

MAY means could be or could not be which means worthless.

Which mean they MAY be shopping him and getting closer to the trade deadline the rumors are not going away. 

1 hour ago, Putin said:

Wouldn’t surprise me to see Darnold traded to Colts 

I don’t see Darnold traded until after the season and I am going with Pittsburgh as my landing spot 

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, colin said:

id take him for a 2nd.  an extra talented body upfront and a big dude given a second chance is often a good thing for at least a year or so.

 

it would protect our LBs from blockers and allow them to make some plays.

 

Issue would be Bills would need to let go or trade one of our defense linemen

 

Yea I know

 

Trent Murphy

 

He is starting we are not trading him even for backup QB from Arizona.

[BarleyNY]

Anyone else find it particularly odd that a team allegedly would be trying to trade the third overall pick less than a year and a half into his career?  For a second round pick?  That move is known as a “Rosen” I believe.  Something is up.  Either this dude is coasting and partying now that he got paid or he hates the crap show that is the coaching staff and general atmosphere of the Jest so much that he’s trying to get out and into a better situation. 

Edited October 16, 2020 by BarleyNY

[shoshin]

31 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Anyone else find it particularly odd that a team allegedly would be trying to trade the third overall pick less than a year and a half into his career?  For a second round pick?  That move is known as a “Rosen” I believe.  Something is up.  Either this dude is coasting and partying now that he got paid or he hates the crap show that is the coaching staff and general atmosphere of the Jest so much that he’s trying to get out and into a better situation. 

 

They are trying to trade their "franchise" QB too. They are tanking. 

[SCBills]

Can we get a tanking team having a fire sale that’s not in our division?

 

Last year Dolphins.  This year Jets.  
 

Good players coming free for discounted rates but were stuck in the same division as these clowns which drives up the asking price.  
 

Id take Q for a 2nd, absolutely.   We’d be set for the next few years with Oliver/Q on rookie contracts and, for this year, could potentially kick Jefferson outside to see if he can generate a bull rush given refs aren’t calling holding anymore.  
 

Wont happen though.  I highly doubt they’d let him go for a 2nd, and to us on top of it... but if I’m Beane, I’d give them the offer.... 2021 2nd and maybe an extra pick in 5th or 6th.  

[shoshin]

8 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Can we get a tanking team having a fire sale that’s not in our division?

 

Last year Dolphins.  This year Jets.  
 

Good players coming free for discounted rates but were stuck in the same division as these clowns which drives up the asking price.  
 

Id take Q for a 2nd, absolutely.   We’d be set for the next few years with Oliver/Q on rookie contracts and, for this year, could potentially kick Jefferson outside to see if he can generate a bull rush given refs aren’t calling holding anymore.  
 

Wont happen though.  I highly doubt they’d let him go for a 2nd, and to us on top of it... but if I’m Beane, I’d give them the offer.... 2021 2nd and maybe an extra pick in 5th or 6th.  

 

What makes you think a guy who is on the bench for 50% of snaps and has yet to do anything in the NFL is worth a second round pick? 

[SCBills]

12 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

What makes you think a guy who is on the bench for 50% of snaps and has yet to do anything in the NFL is worth a second round pick? 

He’s made some plays this year.  I think he’s worth taking a shot at given he has this year, and two more after, on a rookie contract before the 5th year option. 
 

 

Edited October 16, 2020 by SCBills

[C.Biscuit97]

5 hours ago, colin said:

id take him for a 2nd.  an extra talented body upfront and a big dude given a second chance is often a good thing for at least a year or so.

 

it would protect our LBs from blockers and allow them to make some plays.

The Jets would be morons to trade him for that price but you can’t discount how dumb they are.

[starrymessenger]

Hes being used as a space eater/run defender like Leonard Williams was. He should be developed as a 3 tech imo ala Donald. They dont have the horses to bring pressure from the outside and their scheme seems not designed for applying pressure up the middle. Not sure why they thought this guy was a fit. Id love for the Bills to get him for a later round pick(s), which of course is not happening.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 hours ago, shoshin said:

 

What makes you think a guy who is on the bench for 50% of snaps and has yet to do anything in the NFL is worth a second round pick? 

 

This front office thinks a guy who's on the bench 50% of snaps is worth a top 10 pick, whether Coach Tuesday likes to admit it or not.

 

[Coach Tuesday]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

This front office thinks a guy who's on the bench 50% of snaps is worth a top 10 pick, whether Coach Tuesday likes to admit it or not.

 

Crusade