Chuck Wagon Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) So. Few if any fans are allowed at games this year. The teams that can have fans won't have a problem selling a meager allotment of tickets. Trevor Lawrence has been / will be hyped as "Andrew Luck 2.0". Does this set up for more outright tanking than we've ever seen at the NFL level? We have Darnold saying he can go and the Jets saying "that's fine, we are playing Flacco". The Redskins just tossed Haskins out of the rotation completely (saying Alex Smith is the backup) after a 300 yard day vs the Ravens. Seems like the perfect year for a race to the bottom. Edited October 7, 2020 by Chuck Wagon 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: So. Few if any fans are allowed at games this year. The teams that can have fans won't have a problem selling a meager allotment of tickets. Trevor Lawrence has been / will be hyped as "Andrew Luck 2.0". Does this set up for more outright tanking than we've ever seen at the NFL level? We have Darnold saying he can go and the Jets saying "that's fine, we are playing Flacco". The Redskins just tossed Haskins out of the rotation completely (saying Alex Smith is the backup) after a 300 yard day vs the Ravens. Seems like the perfect year for a race to the bottom. Did he throw for 250 in the second half? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) I expect Trevor to either not come out or refuse to go to some of those tanking teams... Who wants to play for the Jets or WFT when they have some of the worst ownership int he league? Either don't come out or pull an Eli. Edited October 7, 2020 by TBBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I thought the Patriots were tanking....now it's the jets and Washington? Maybe they just stink 1 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 32 minutes ago, nucci said: I thought the Patriots were tanking....now it's the jets and Washington? Maybe they just stink Lol you may be right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 40 minutes ago, nucci said: I thought the Patriots were tanking....now it's the jets and Washington? Maybe they just stink The Pats**** could seriously use Trevor.......seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 The Jets, Giants, Jags, FT, Lions, and possibly even the Falcons may have that #1 in their sights at the moment. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. The Pats will obviously win too many games to get the #1 overall pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, Kwai San said: The Pats**** could seriously use Trevor.......seriously. No. No. I think they're just fine with Hoyer thank you very much 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I was afraid the Pats might get Trevor and do the Favre/Rogers thing - glad to see that they're more middlin' than bad. Their fans still think the dynasty is alive. I don't see it. BB out-coaches everyone as he usually does, but they don't have the talent to really contend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, TBBills said: I expect Trevor to either not come out or refuse to go to some of those tanking teams... Who wants to play for the Jets or WFT when they have some of the worst ownership int he league? Either don't come out or pull an Eli. Last week there was a video on ESPN from Mike Greenburg commenting if he were Lawrence and the Jet's had the #1 overall pick, he'd return to school. And Greenburg is a Jet's fan too. It is rather embarrassing for a team to have someone who is in that high of a profile and fan to make statements like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Only team that actively seems like it’s tanking are the Jets. That could also just be the remnants of the worst GM ever, mixed with poor moves made by the new GM... I know they have high hopes for Douglas, but the Robbie Anderson departure, mixed in with only taking one WR in a loaded WR draft, look pretty bad right now. Becton looks good, but that’s the only guy he’s brought in who can even seem to get on the field.....and now he’s hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, nucci said: I thought the Patriots were tanking....now it's the jets and Washington? Maybe they just stink This is where I’m at. The league is full of really bad teams with bad coaches/GMs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{::'KayCeeS::} Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 With Covid and the weird college football "season", Lawrence kind of also has the perfect excuse not to come out this year. Easy for us to sit here and say "yeah i wouldn't come out" but to be in his shoes? That's another story. Still, I wouldn't want to go to the Jets. Then again, Burrow is at least playing well in Cincy, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, SCBills said: Only team that actively seems like it’s tanking are the Jets. That could also just be the remnants of the worst GM ever, mixed with poor moves made by the new GM... I know they have high hopes for Douglas, but the Robbie Anderson departure, mixed in with only taking one WR in a loaded WR draft, look pretty bad right now. Becton looks good, but that’s the only guy he’s brought in who can even seem to get on the field.....and now he’s hurt. I think the Steers are too.....they are just to stupid to realize that BOB traded that pick away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 People shouldn’t sleep on Fields. There will be more than one QB prospect teams will be going after in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, {::'KayCeeS::} said: With Covid and the weird college football "season", Lawrence kind of also has the perfect excuse not to come out this year. Easy for us to sit here and say "yeah i wouldn't come out" but to be in his shoes? That's another story. Still, I wouldn't want to go to the Jets. Then again, Burrow is at least playing well in Cincy, so... Great point. If I'm Lawrence, and I see the Jets with the #1 pick, no way I come out. At least Cincy had a solid RB and WR, and then drafted another WR. The Jets would likely do something like draft Lawrence, and then proceed to draft LBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, {::'KayCeeS::} said: With Covid and the weird college football "season", Lawrence kind of also has the perfect excuse not to come out this year. Easy for us to sit here and say "yeah i wouldn't come out" but to be in his shoes? That's another story. Still, I wouldn't want to go to the Jets. Then again, Burrow is at least playing well in Cincy, so... That kids(Burrow) exciting to watch so is Herbert. It seems everyone is getting a young exciting QB all of a sudden....there seemed to be a big void for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said: So. Few if any fans are allowed at games this year. The teams that can have fans won't have a problem selling a meager allotment of tickets. Trevor Lawrence has been / will be hyped as "Andrew Luck 2.0". Does this set up for more outright tanking than we've ever seen at the NFL level? We have Darnold saying he can go and the Jets saying "that's fine, we are playing Flacco". The Redskins just tossed Haskins out of the rotation completely (saying Alex Smith is the backup) after a 300 yard day vs the Ravens. Seems like the perfect year for a race to the bottom. yeah, I'd agree with @Kirby Jackson that there are a lot of bad coaches/GMS, but the moves you cite really seem to be showing tanking. Haskins was a project when drafted, IMO, and he is showing improvement, he has chemistry with their #1 WR, and now they bench him? I don't get that. Same with Darnold. Those 2 seem to be tanking, but other teams (Texas) appear to just be bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) Zero teams tanking, ever, in the NFL. Tanking is for leagues with fully guaranteed contracts. What you have in football is front offices who rebuild, controlling coaches and players who do their absolute best for the most obvious, self-serving reason, that it is directly against their self-interest to ever NOT give their best. As for how many teams are rebuilding, IMO it's about the same as ever. It's generally a few terrible teams and a team or two who have been consistently below average for a while. That's generally, within a margin of error, around the same number of teams at any given time. Just more interest in it now that there's a QB who appears to be about as much of as sure thing as you get out of college. Edited October 7, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Words I wish were banned on TSW: 1. Tanking 2. PFF Worst topic ever. Every time it comes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Short answer. No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Success said: I was afraid the Pats might get Trevor and do the Favre/Rogers thing - glad to see that they're more middlin' than bad. Their fans still think the dynasty is alive. I don't see it. BB out-coaches everyone as he usually does, but they don't have the talent to really contend. With a healthy Cam they're considerably better than middlin'. They beat the Chiefs last week with Cam there. Without him, though, over time they'll be middling or below. Still have a fine defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{::'KayCeeS::} Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 52 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: Great point. If I'm Lawrence, and I see the Jets with the #1 pick, no way I come out. At least Cincy had a solid RB and WR, and then drafted another WR. The Jets would likely do something like draft Lawrence, and then proceed to draft LBs. yeah, this is a good point i neglected to mention. At least had some weapons for Burrow. The Jets? Like you said, would probably draft LB's lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Nope to tanking. IMO, there has been a spate of horrible GMs on a number of teams, which is coming home to roost. On the other side, that's what makes Beane worth his weight in gold... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 28 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: With a healthy Cam they're considerably better than middlin'. They beat the Chiefs last week with Cam there. Without him, though, over time they'll be middling or below. Still have a fine defense. I suppose - I shouldn't be too dismissive of them, especially after the last 20 years. But I disagree on the bolded. I have heard a lot of Pats fans saying that confidently online - but the entire dynamic changes w/ Cam in there. The assumption is always that everything will play out exactly as it did, and Cam wouldn't have fumbled or taken sacks like Hoyer, or thrown a pick 6. Their offense would have moved the ball better & probably scored more - but that would have cause KC to adjust and probably elevated their game. It might have been a real shootout, which I'd take KC in any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: yeah, I'd agree with @Kirby Jackson that there are a lot of bad coaches/GMS, but the moves you cite really seem to be showing tanking. Haskins was a project when drafted, IMO, and he is showing improvement, he has chemistry with their #1 WR, and now they bench him? I don't get that. Same with Darnold. Those 2 seem to be tanking, but other teams (Texas) appear to just be bad. I think its not uncommon when a team benches their starter to drop him to QB3 for the next few games. Especially a young player who may have his confidence shaken from the benching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 No. NFL teams don't tank. As is popularly said, everything is on tape. Guys play hard all the time. They know that they can be cut at any time. If they are cut, they need to find a new job in a league with only so many spots and a rookie class coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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