[Moderator Edit -last 2 pages] Moss and Knox vs. Rams

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Moss averaged 4.6 YPC against Dolphins.  Not sure why people are saying he’s under whelmed, he’s barely had a chance to get going or find a rhythm.  
 

End of day, there is only one football.  Josh leads the NFL in passing yards, hard to also have a second string RB also make a big statistical impact too.  
 

I think Moss has looked good.  

We’ve played two games and are league leaders in passing.  
 

Moss averaged 4.6 ypc against the Dolphins and caught a TD against the Jets. 
 

....but he’s underwhelmed?   Not sure what people were expecting from him in two games.  
 

He doesn’t feel like a huge blow, especially given our pass happy tendencies and how good Yeldon is in the passing game, but the criticism is over the top right now of Moss. 
 

Edited September 25, 2020 by SCBills

[Royale with Cheese]

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

#1 Gilliam is listed as a TE, not a fullback.  Maybe there's a reason for that?

#2 TE differ in their blocking vs pass catching abilities

 

His blocking may very well improve, but most rookies seem to have a learning curve around the speed and power of the NFL game.

 

Don't worry your little heart darlin'.

 

https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2020/04/udfa-tracker-who-did-buffalo-bills-sign-after-2020-nfl-draft.html

 

Reggie Gilliam has confirmed that he will be joining the Bills roster as an UDFA.

Gilliam is viewed as an outstanding blocker and special teams standout.

[716er]

22 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Both Knox and Moss play positions that can take advantage of the Rams biggest weakness in D, their LBers. It’s a pretty terrible unit on paper.  Can’t say I know much about them though.  

 

Micah Kiser is a name you'll know after Sunday. 2018 mid round pick who has turned a page this year. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Moss averaged 4.6 YPC against Dolphins.  Not sure why people are saying he’s under whelmed, he’s barely had a chance to get going or find a rhythm.  
 

End of day, there is only one football.  Josh leads the NFL in passing yards, hard to also have a second string RB also make a big statistical impact too.  
 

I think Moss has looked good.  

 

He moves like he has lead in his boots. It is the difference between he and Singletary. Neither is fast, but Singletary has fast feet. Moss looks the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man out of Ghostbusters lifting his legs up and putting them down again.

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He moves like he has lead in his boots. It is the difference between he and Singletary. Neither is fast, but Singletary has fast feet. Moss looks the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man out of Ghostbusters lifting his legs up and putting them down again.

 

He looks like a 23-year-old version of Frank Gore (at age 36).  I agree with you.  No “pop” or quickness.  Maybe the absence of an in-person offseason program hurt him. 

Edited September 25, 2020 by SectionC3

[PaattMaann]

2 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

Micah Kiser is a name you'll know after Sunday. 2018 mid round pick who has turned a page this year. 

 

We will know his name because he will try to cover Devin out of the backfield and will get DUSSTEDDDDDD all game. Cannot wait for it. 

[716er]

Just now, PaattMaann said:

 

We will know his name because he will try to cover Devin out of the backfield and will get DUSSTEDDDDDD all game. Cannot wait for it. 

 

That's the spirit

[SWATeam]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He moves like he has lead in his boots. It is the difference between he and Singletary. Neither is fast, but Singletary has fast feet. Moss looks the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man out of Ghostbusters lifting his legs up and putting them down again.

He had a few nice runs in a row last week, especially that 16 yarder.  That run showed his ability.

 

He'll be fine.  Just needs to settle in, IMO

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

Micah Kiser is a name you'll know after Sunday. 2018 mid round pick who has turned a page this year. 

I’ve seen people compare him to Preston Brown, in that he racks up tackles but doesn’t have much speed.   If true, I’d expect us to attack him heavy with Singletary and Yeldon. 

[eball]

4 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

Micah Kiser is a name you'll know after Sunday. 2018 mid round pick who has turned a page this year. 

 

Since you posted it here, I know the name now.  So thanks.

[PaattMaann]

Just now, 716er said:

 

That's the spirit

 

Its true, he has looked terrible in pass coverage. Beast between the tackles in the run game, so good for him. But hes going to get eaten alive all game in the pass game and I am HERE FOR IT 

[716er]

Just now, PaattMaann said:

 

Its true, he has looked terrible in pass coverage. Beast between the tackles in the run game, so good for him. But hes going to get eaten alive all game in the pass game and I am HERE FOR IT 

 

Hopefully. He was the NFC defensive player of the week last week.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

He had a few nice runs in a row last week, especially that 16 yarder.  That run showed his ability.

 

He'll be fine.  Just needs to settle in, IMO

 

I think he just needs to learn that his feet are not good enough to take wasted steps in the NFL. He has to make every single step he takes count. When he has got moving he has showed he is tough to bring down but if he continues to take wasted steps early in his run which are not being used to get up to full speed he will struggle to maintain a good YPA. It is something Leonard Fournette has struggled with at times in the NFL too and he was a #4 overall pick so I don't mean to 'pick on' Moss. But he needs to adjust his game to be successful at this level.

[PaattMaann]

2 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

Hopefully. He was the NFC defensive player of the week last week.

 

did you watch either of his games this year yet or are you just basing your judgement of him on his stat line/his recent award?

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think he just needs to learn that his feet are not good enough to take wasted steps in the NFL. He has to make every single step he takes count. When he has got moving he has showed he is tough to bring down but if he continues to take wasted steps early in his run which are not being used to get up to full speed he will struggle to maintain a good YPA. It is something Leonard Fournette has struggled with at times in the NFL too and he was a #4 overall pick so I don't mean to 'pick on' Moss. But he needs to adjust his game to be successful at this level.

I think he's a better lateral mover that you are making him out to be.  Just looks to me like he's thinking too much right now.

[716er]

Just now, PaattMaann said:

 

did you watch either of his games this year yet or are you just basing your judgement of him on his stat line/his recent award?

 

I don't really have a judgement on him. I watched the ~10 minute highlight clips from both their games. I said he's a name people will know after this week in response to a poster who didn't know who their LBers are and that he won defensive player of the week last week.

 

Hope he's a Preston Brown clone.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

Moss has underwhelmed so far, but did have that nice TD catch week 1. As a runner I haven't been impressed. Knox is a loss from a bit of a match up perspective..... but hopefully the Bills can get through this week without him.

 

If I had to give up Moss and Knox to get Milano and Edmunds back I would.

Moss was good vs Dolphins. 

[716er]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Moss was good vs Dolphins. 

 

Thought so too except for the slip on the screen.

[Royale with Cheese]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He moves like he has lead in his boots. It is the difference between he and Singletary. Neither is fast, but Singletary has fast feet. Moss looks the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man out of Ghostbusters lifting his legs up and putting them down again.

 

I cannot believe you're already calling Moss a waste of a roster spot, terrible draft pick and the worst RB in NFL history.  You are so dramatic.  

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

Micah Kiser is a name you'll know after Sunday. 2018 mid round pick who has turned a page this year. 

I know him. Watched a lot of his tape at Virginia.  Always thought he was too slow and lacked any semblance of change of direction. A thumper in 2020.  If I’m Daboll, I’m going after him through the air all game.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I cannot believe you're already calling Moss a waste of a roster spot, terrible draft pick and the worst RB in NFL history.  You are so dramatic.  

I know it’s absurd.  A guy averages over 4.5 ypc his second nfl game on 8 or 9 touches and all of the sudden he’s a bust 😂 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I cannot believe you're already calling Moss a waste of a roster spot, terrible draft pick and the worst RB in NFL history.  You are so dramatic.  

 

I want them to bring back Boobie Dixon.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Antonio Williams time. 

[716er]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

I want them to bring back Boobie Dixon.

 

Where's Shawn Bryson these days?

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I want them to bring back Boobie Dixon.

 

You don't like Boobie's, you like Willie's. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You don't like Boobie's, you like Willie's. 

 

Can a guy not like both?

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Can a guy not like both?

 

No according to my dad.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

McD is holding on Milano and Edmunds so McVay doesn't know how to prepare. Makes a huge difference. I bet they both play.

[Shaw66]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He moves like he has lead in his boots. It is the difference between he and Singletary. Neither is fast, but Singletary has fast feet. Moss looks the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man out of Ghostbusters lifting his legs up and putting them down again.

You know, I was beginning to wonder if I was the only person who thought this about Moss.  I thought he had some of the quickness and shiftiness that Singletary has, with a little more power.  But Singletary is just barely quick enough to make himself effective, and so far Moss has looked to me to be just short of being quick enough.  He doesn't out-quick anyone and he doesn't outpower anyone.   Maybe it's the blocking, maybe it's the scheme, maybe he hasn't adjusted yet, maybe it's a lot of things, but I don't think missing him for a week is a huge loss.  

 

Losing Knox hurts more - he HAS shown that his skills can make a difference on the field, but still, I'm not too concerned about it.  Receivers get open because of scheme - Knox isn't one to get open by using special separation skills.  He gets open because the the offense is attacking the called defense in a way that leaves an opening that the tight end runs to.  Knox is good at it, but Gilliam can do it well enough.  Will there be a drop off?  Sure, but not one that should matter all that much.   Plus, I think we'll see Davis on the field in some of the tight formations where we were seeing Knox in the slot or split out just a couple of yards.  Obviously, Davis isn't the blocking threat Knox is in the running game, but Knox's blocking isn't striking fear in the hearts of linebackers around the league, either. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

1 hour ago, T master said:

Not sure Moss will be missed a lot i think McD & company want him in to get as many reps as possible for them to see what he's got but i hope Knox can make it back soon i think he will be a bigger part of Dabols plan on offense .

 

 

Moss will be good once he starts hitting the openings the line is creating for him.  I have seen him run into traffic or cut back because he didn't see the hole a few times.  I agree regarding Knox. He is a definite match up problem for opposing Defenses, and will be a great one (in my opinion) once he develops some consistency.   

[Blokestradamus]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

No according to my dad.

 

Which one did he like?

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

McD is holding on Milano and Edmunds so McVay doesn't know how to prepare. Makes a huge difference. I bet they both play.

 

I heard Milano was full go....no red non-contact jersey.

4 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

Which one did he like?

 

He likes Trump.

[SWATeam]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I heard Milano was full go....no red non-contact jersey.

 

He likes Trump.

People were saying full go, but he was officially “limited”

 

[Process]

Rams weakness on D is their LBs. On offense they have Kupp and Higbee who can wreak havoc down the middle of the field.

 

Being down a RB, TE and potentially two starting LBs is certainly not ideal. 

[C.Biscuit97]

Maybe this is finally a game where they free Singletary.  

3 minutes ago, Process said:

Rams weakness on D is their LBs. On offense they have Kupp and Higbee who can wreak havoc down the middle of the field.

 

Being down a RB, TE and potentially two starting LBs is certainly not ideal. 

That said, it’s a rookie rb who really hasn’t done that much and a talented TE who hanging on to the ball.  Not ideal but it’s not like it’s Barkley or Kittle.  The LBs will be huge because the Rams definitely watch Gielski eat us alive last week.

[IDBillzFan]

23 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

McD is holding on Milano and Edmunds so McVay doesn't know how to prepare. Makes a huge difference. I bet they both play.

 

So McD is being douchy again? 

[Don Otreply]

28 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You don't like Boobie's, you like Willie's. 

Everyone loves boobies 😁👍

[hemma]

Moss' toe may have happened early last week or even in the Jets game, but keeps getting worse.

 

This medical condition is called 'Whoa Toe' and can affect quickness.

[LabattBlue]

I like how many have turned on Moss after just TWO games.  He went from being part of the dynamic duo for the next 5-6 years to being terrible in less than a span of a month. 
 

 

Keep up the good work...I guess someone has to be the whipping boy. 

[Mr. K]

Better get Jason Croom on the the phone. All kidding aside its time for Reggie G and Mr. Kroft to step up. I guess Lee Smith is going to be active on Sunday too.