Lamar Jackson pulled a Josh Allen and no one said a word.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

People haven't reacted to the play, that's the point. I didn't even know it happened until it was posted here. Allen has a pre-draft reputation that certain people will never get around so every dumb play he makes will be magnified a hundred times. It is what it is.

 

Well part of that is you don't follow a load of Baltimore twitter accounts and the other part is Q1, W1, blowout win. It is totally insignificant. 

 

The Allen one got attention because of when as much as because of who. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

5 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

A miss by 10 or 15 feet, it’s still a bad miss. There you go again talking out of your ass. 

How have his other throws been? He’s the best player in the league who has competed the no look pass many times. He even gets the benefit of the doubt on the no look pass 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

Allen in the 2nd half of a week 1 blowout missed one pass badly and it is the only play certain members of the media are posting. Like I said, some of these analysts will never get over it.

 

Conflation. Completely different point. The point this thread was trying to make is "same exact situation and nobody mentions it!"

 

The response to which is - it wasn't the same situation. Not even close. 

 

Do I think there are people out there guy in on Josh Allen? Yes. Do I think that is why the two failed laterals attracted different levels of attention? Of course it isn't.

[HappyDays]

17 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

If Josh puts up an MVP season they will treat him like favre and not nit pick everything. As is, he hasn’t proven them wrong yet, as much as we all think he’s taking the first steps in doing so. 

 

He has actually already proven the initial pre-draft opinion about him wrong. I say that as someone that was one of his biggest detractors. He is already a starting caliber QB, it's now just a matter of where his ceiling is. The way certain analysts talk about him you'd think he couldn't hit a pass to save his life. I guess I expect more from purported football experts.

Edited September 15, 2020 by HappyDays

[Gugny]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I like to talk football, not about other posters. If you have something to say to me put it in a PM. Nobody wants to read your opinion of other people on the internet.

 

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Who says I was talking about you? It was a comment on the fanbase. 

 

You mad, bros?

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:

We don't need to tear down Lamar's game to prop up Josh's.

 

 

Best post in the thread. But that is what we do around here. I don't know whether it is the small market thing or all the years of losing or whether it is more of a cultural Buffalo thing. But so many Bills fans have this ravenous paranoia about the team not getting the level of respect they believe they are due.

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

 

You mad, bros?

 

I ain't mad but a lot of Bills fans seem to be that more people are not tweeting that Lamar is the worstest. 

 

They should follow you Gug. You are the king of that bandwagon. 😁

[Mango]

5 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said:

Your statements are true, however I think that the sports media have determined that certain teams get treated differently than others. The Bills have a certain narrative that's been established while the Ravens have a different one. Another example is Cam Newton. Watch and see how differently they report on him this year. 

 

It's ok though, the Bills organization is mentally strong enough not to let this distract them.

It’s not a narrative it’s a commentary based on careers/history.

 

Lamar is the league MVP. Mahommes is the SB MVP and an absolute stud. Of course they get less criticism for bad throws compared to a guy who has never completed 60% of his passes in a single season at any level. Who also led an NFL offense to a whopping 19 points per game. 
 

If/when Allen can start to string together multiple dominant performances and bring his floor up, you will see him get more credit. Until then, that Houston lateral and missing Brown in the EZ wide open are just heaped on to a pile of 100 other bad throws, decisions, etc.

 

We all operate this way. The guys who make less mistakes/perform better at work get more slack when they make mistakes than the guys who seem to commit them regularly. I don’t really get the point. Events don’t happen in a vacuum. 

[transient]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

Brady threw into triple coverage and it looked obvious to me that it was a throwaway.

...which means it was a horrible decision by a 20 year veteran to throw the ball away on a 2 pt conversion... or it was just a terrible throw.

[Gugny]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I ain't mad but a lot of Bills fans seem to be that more people are not tweeting that Lamar is the worstest. 

 

They should follow you Gug. You are the king of that bandwagon. 😁

 

I have already admitted that I was wrong about Jackson, even though I still think it's a little early to crown him.  I'd like to see him/the Ravens win some playoff games first.  But I can definitely say that he's not a "bad QB," like I predicted he would be.   My prediction that Allen ends up with the better career still stands!

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

6 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

I saw that.

 

No one is saying anything because that game was a blowout.

so was the Bills game essentially 

[GoBills808]

 

[TheElectricCompany]

32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't know whether it is the small market thing or all the years of losing or whether it is more of a cultural Buffalo thing. But so many Bills fans have this ravenous paranoia about the team not getting the level of respect they believe they are due.

 

There is a Buffalo type/mindset...it's easy to see when you leave town, but hard to put into words. That's for another conversation.

Josh is showing improvement, and I think this will be best season yet. I want to see him square off against Mahomes or Jackson in January

 

Edited September 15, 2020 by TheElectricCompany

[QCity]

1 hour ago, Protocal69 said:

 

You should really learned the difference between FACT vs Opinion and stop critiquing people when its obvious that you do not have the intelligence to do.

 

Perhaps merely posting in this thread has lowered my intelligence. I guess it's just fashionable to be outraged these days.

[NewEra]

26 minutes ago, transient said:

...which means it was a horrible decision by a 20 year veteran to throw the ball away on a 2 pt conversion... or it was just a terrible throw.

Yes....over the course of playing football for 20 years, every QB will leave terrible plays on the field. The best aren’t scrutinized because the bring “being the best of the best” to the field every game.   They win championships and drub teams weekly.  They earned the right to not be trashed every time they make a terrible play. That’s life

Edited September 15, 2020 by NewEra

[FireChans]

7 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I think it has more to do with situational basis, but it's all idiotic anyways... Should allen have done it? No. But if Knox catches it and runs it down to the five, Allen is a hero. 

It wasn’t possible, the defenders were right there, that’s why Knox batted it out immediately. That’s what made the play so dumb.

[transient]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yes....over the course of playing football for 20 years, every QB will leave terrible plays on the field. The best aren’t scrutinized because the bring “being the best of the best” to the field every game.   They win championships and drub teams weekly.  They earned the right to not be trashed every time they make a terrible play. That’s life

 

I wasn't trashing Brady, I was pointing out that your dismissal as a "throwaway" of what was more likely just a really terrible pass in order to negate the comparison to Allen's clunker didn't actually fit the game narrative.  Thanks for the healthy serving of condescension in the reply, though. It went perfectly with the side of gratuitous TB12 ballwashing.

[Protocal69]

57 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Perhaps merely posting in this thread has lowered my intelligence. I guess it's just fashionable to be outraged these days.

People at the end of day have a right to their opinion. I just do not like when it goes past just someone stating said opinion to looking like they got an axe to grind with something or someone in the disguise of objectivity.

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, nucci said:

so many sensitive people around here. Bills won and Allen had a great game. Who cares what others think?

 

 

Better not wander into that 3rd (4th?) Bass/kick conspiracy thread...

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

He has actually already proven the initial pre-draft opinion about him wrong. I say that as someone that was one of his biggest detractors. He is already a starting caliber QB, it's now just a matter of where his ceiling is. The way certain analysts talk about him you'd think he couldn't hit a pass to save his life. I guess I expect more from purported football experts.

Do yourself a favor and look at what these guys were saying on April 26th 2018. Analysts and present company included. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I could care less if he gets critiqued.......it will keep the chip on his shoulder

Could you care less?

[Mr. WEO]

This thread is awesome!

 

OP:  Ingram was able to make the catch.....Edit:  he did not make the catch!

 

Lol

 

Anyway, maybe no one "said a word" because it was week 1 and , also.....it was in the setting of Jackson painting an 80% completion, 3 TD (no turnover) 11 YPA masterpiece.

 

Exactly what "words" was the OP expecting?  And from whom?  

Edited September 15, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[NoSaint]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

This thread is awesome!

 

OP:  Ingram was able to make the catch.....Edit:  he did not make the catch!

 

Lol

 

Anyway, maybe no one "said a word" because it was wet 1 and , also.....it was in the setting of Jackson painting an 80% completion, 3 TD (no turnover) 11 YPA masterpiece.

 

Exactly what "words" was the OP expecting?  And from whom?  

yea, that Lamar has earned more leash isn’t exactly breaking news to most. 
 

I’ve been a Lamar skeptic but the dude is still consistently doing it 

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, NoSaint said:

yea, that Lamar has earned more leash isn’t exactly breaking news to most. 
 

I’ve been a Lamar skeptic but the dude is still consistently doing it 

 

We were assured here last season that his game was impossible to sustain

[billsbackto81]

8 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I think it has more to do with situational basis, but it's all idiotic anyways... Should allen have done it? No. But if Knox catches it and runs it down to the five, Allen is a hero. 

This!

I've watched it numerous times and obviously Knox didn't expect that. If he stayed back he actually could've made a play on the ball. Instead when Josh was going down he ran to where the play was in the event in case the ball came out. It's actually what players are trained to do. Instead we have another GIF for haters to enjoy.

 

Also Lamar threw a terrible endzone pass to a wide open TE Andrews yesterday. Well off target over his head. Not as bad as Josh's but bad nonetheless. And he was flat footed in the pocket, not rolling to the left against his body. But because Andrews made a sensational leaping one handed grab it's no harm no foul. 

Edited September 15, 2020 by billsbackto81

[BobbyC81]

8 hours ago, MJS said:

The only thing I think needs mentioning between the two of them is everyone is worried sick about Allen getting hurt when running it but nobody seems to care if Jackson runs it a lot. Why is that? Let both of them do what they are good at.

Exactly.  Jackson is smaller with a thinner build.  Murray is tiny but seems to be thicker than Jackson.

[NewEra]

57 minutes ago, transient said:

 

I wasn't trashing Brady, I was pointing out that your dismissal as a "throwaway" of what was more likely just a really terrible pass in order to negate the comparison to Allen's clunker didn't actually fit the game narrative.  Thanks for the healthy serving of condescension in the reply, though. It went perfectly with the side of gratuitous TB12 ballwashing.

My reply, while quoting you, was aimed at the one that used that play as a example of the media/social media hating on Josh Allen while giving others a pass.  If admitting that a superstar has earned the right to not be flamed for every mistake they make  is “ball washing”, hand me the brush.  I’m not ashamed

[John from Riverside]

30 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Could you care less?

Pretty much

[NoSaint]

18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

We were assured here last season that his game was impossible to sustain

I tend not to push the chips in til these guys do it with the diminished roster around a franchise qb pay check but he’s checking a lot of boxes most weeks. Still would like to see some more pure qb games against top defenses but he’s earned not to be nit picked these days 

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I tend not to push the chips in til these guys do it with the diminished roster around a franchise qb pay check but he’s checking a lot of boxes most weeks. Still would like to see some more pure qb games against top defenses but he’s earned not to be nit picked these days 

 

 

He's steady so far.  It was the Browns...but the Bills couldn't spank them last year, so....

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Pretty much

So you could care less? How much less?

[C.Biscuit97]

What a weird thread

[John from Riverside]

5 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

So you could care less? How much less?

 

5 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

So you could care less? How much less?

Somewhere between This much and thiiiiiis much

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

He's steady so far.  It was the Browns...but the Bills couldn't spank them last year, so....

 

To be fair nor could Baltimore. The Browns were one of their 2 defeats in 2019. 

[ProcessAccepted]

15 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I ain't mad but a lot of Bills fans seem to be that more people are not tweeting that Lamar is the worstest. 

 

I think that's not entirely accurate. What people are saying is that when Lamar makes a bad play it's "move along there's nothing to see here." The MVP last year for me was a good selection, no problem with Lamar getting it. I think where the problem comes from and why people point out Lamar's mistakes is that is all that gets said about Josh. People are just saying hold on a minute, remember you were just roasting Josh the exact same thing.

 

There is bias in the league for certain teams. The guy they've tagged as wildly inaccurate just had a >71% completion rate with 312 yards passing. You never hear about the # of 4th quarter comebacks or 18 rushing touchdown. It is what is it. Personally I'm happy to have #17 and how his work effort and rate of improvement. Oh and yes, Lamar is great too.

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

 

I think that's not entirely accurate. What people are saying is that when Lamar makes a bad play it's "move along there's nothing to see here." The MVP last year for me was a good selection, no problem with Lamar getting it. I think where the problem comes from and why people point out Lamar's mistakes is that is all that gets said about Josh. People are just saying hold on a minute, remember you were just roasting Josh the exact same thing.

 

There is bias in the league for certain teams. The guy they've tagged as wildly inaccurate just had a >71% completion rate with 312 yards passing. You never hear about the # of 4th quarter comebacks or 18 rushing touchdown. It is what is it. Personally I'm happy to have #17 and how his work effort and rate of improvement. Oh and yes, Lamar is great too.

 

But the reason the Lamar failed lateral hasn't been mentioned and Josh's was has nothing to do with unfair treatment, or narrative. It is the context of the two are completely different. 

 

That is what is at dispute here. Once people start conflating that with "yea but this guy said that bad thing about Josh and he just had 300 yards" you are into a different conversation. But Bills fans need to get over this paranoia they have about their treatment by the media. Do other franchises get more benefit of the doubt? Yes. Because they have earned it. That has nothing to do with the laterals. Nothing at all. 

 

Bills fans need to learn how to be fans of a successful team. Because the Bills are finally good. 

[CBennett]

22 hours ago, H2o said:

I think the reason being is that the Ravens were demolishing the Browns and it wasn't during a Playoff game. 

This..if they had just lost a playoff game and EVERYONE saw this...same deal...he would have gotten a TON of heat...but instead they demolished a team in a opening game and overall it had ZERO effect on the outcome..same play but in 2 totally DIFFERENT circumstances.

 

Thats the difference and why little was said/

[ProcessAccepted]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But the reason the Lamar failed lateral hasn't been mentioned and Josh's was has nothing to do with unfair treatment, or narrative. It is the context of the two are completely different. 

 

That is what is at dispute here. Once people start conflating that with "yea but this guy said that bad thing about Josh and he just had 300 yards" you are into a different conversation. But Bills fans need to get over this paranoia they have about their treatment by the media. Do other franchises get more benefit of the doubt? Yes. Because they have earned it. That has nothing to do with the laterals. Nothing at all. 

 

Bills fans need to learn how to be fans of a successful team. Because the Bills are finally good. 

I don't disagree. It's just if you go on YouTube looking for post game stuff that all you hear from the established sources. I'm fine with people having a chip on their shoulder about it. I do think the bump in positive press the Browns got for picking Mayfield (year 1) was too quick of a transition regardless of context. I'm way more excited at where the Buffalo Bills than where the Browns are.. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

I don't disagree. It's just if you go on YouTube looking for post game stuff that all you hear from the established sources. I'm fine with people having a chip on their shoulder about it. I do think the bump in positive press the Browns got for picking Mayfield (year 1) was too quick of a transition regardless of context. I'm way more excited at where the Buffalo Bills than where the Browns are.. 

 

The bump they got for picking a rookie QB who went on to break the rookie TD record? You think if Allen had done that the press would have said it was a bad thing?

[NoSaint]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But the reason the Lamar failed lateral hasn't been mentioned and Josh's was has nothing to do with unfair treatment, or narrative. It is the context of the two are completely different. 

 

That is what is at dispute here. Once people start conflating that with "yea but this guy said that bad thing about Josh and he just had 300 yards" you are into a different conversation. But Bills fans need to get over this paranoia they have about their treatment by the media. Do other franchises get more benefit of the doubt? Yes. Because they have earned it. That has nothing to do with the laterals. Nothing at all. 

 

Bills fans need to learn how to be fans of a successful team. Because the Bills are finally good. 

 

we have seen time and time again that the media enjoys a good bills team.

[QCity]

36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

Bills fans need to learn how to be fans of a successful team. 

 

Are you telling me that scouring the internet for any criticism, then grouping up and attacking the author of said criticism on Twitter isn't going to propel this team to success?