dma0034 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Biden has this won. Senate has a better chance of swinging to the Dems than Trump has to win reelection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 If dems win election but republicans hold senate how does that effect the Dems ability to pack the court ? (I'm certainly not an expert in most of this stuff) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Process said: If dems win election but republicans hold senate how does that effect the Dems ability to pack the court ? (I'm certainly not an expert in most of this stuff) yes congress along with biden could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Penfield45 said: DNC got outsmarted by Trumps team once again. Had Trump handled the pandemic better its a non-contest Agreed. The Democrat elites need to come to grips with the fact that populism is what people from both parties want and they need to start catering more to their base, which is much farther to the left than where Biden ran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, nkreed said: Did Wisconsin's Secretary of State say that all votes have been tallied, except for a township of 300 ppl? He did. Biden has about a 20,000 lead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Agreed. The Democrat elites need to come to grips with the fact that populism is what people from both parties want and they need to start catering more to their base, which is much farther to the left than where Biden ran. The only benefit I see in them failing to do this would be a change to a Three Party System, which would help the voting process out IMMENSELY! (IMO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, nkreed said: The only benefit I see in them failing to do this would be a change to a Three Party System, which would help the voting process out IMMENSELY! (IMO) That's the obvious solution. Let the Dems and GOP cater to their most radical supporters and let someone else run a campaign straight down the middle on responsible spending and letting people do whatever the hell they want with social issues. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: It's funny they changed the confirmation rules got burned with 3 Trump justices now want to turn around and change the rules again. Kinda like the NFL dicking with wildcard teams in the playoff's. Just leave the rules alone and play by them. I guess the founding fathers screwed up by not specifying a number of justices. Dems never changed any confirmation rules for Supreme Court justices, the Republicans did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: It's funny they changed the confirmation rules got burned with 3 Trump justices now want to turn around and change the rules again. Kinda like the NFL dicking with wildcard teams in the playoff's. Just leave the rules alone and play by them. I guess the founding fathers screwed up by not specifying a number of justices. President Biden should go Coney Barrett and say he is an "originalist" too...if he feels uncomfortable with packing the cours, un-pack them...go back to the original six. Sorry, Neil, Brett and Amy, we no longer have need for your services... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aristocrat Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: the one thing going trumps way would be that the mail ins are already counted so he could in fact have an advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: I went down this rabbit hole and it looks like a lot of people are disagreeing with data orbital as 250k are maricopa and supposedly projected to lean towards Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Odds just shifted significantly for the election, AZ and NV in trumps favor. Still underdogs in all three, and even if he could win the two states I would think it's still a hurtle given he's a dog in PA. But it appears that's it's legitimately ridiculous for anyone to have AZ called dem right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, aristocrat said: the one thing going trumps way would be that the mail ins are already counted so he could in fact have an advantage. It's really odd because it seems like some sources believe the remaining votes are election day votes while others are saying it's mail in votes. I don't know how we can't at least know that information. The Associated Press for example (who called Arizona for Biden already) said they did so because the remaining Maricopa votes are mail-in ballots that are expected to skew heavily towards Biden. Not sure what the delay in Arizona is or when we'll start getting results, but if we can get the remaining Maricopa votes in, that should tell us whether or not Trump really might pull it out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, DCOrange said: It's really odd because it seems like some sources believe the remaining votes are election day votes while others are saying it's mail in votes. I don't know how we can't at least know that information. The Associated Press for example (who called Arizona for Biden already) said they did so because the remaining Maricopa votes are mail-in ballots that are expected to skew heavily towards Biden. Not sure what the delay in Arizona is or when we'll start getting results, but if we can get the remaining Maricopa votes in, that should tell us whether or not Trump really might pull it out there. Arizona is dumping the remaining results tonight at 9 pm. Nevada tomorrow morning. Michigan and Georgia should be done by tonight. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, DCOrange said: It's really odd because it seems like some sources believe the remaining votes are election day votes while others are saying it's mail in votes. I don't know how we can't at least know that information. The Associated Press for example (who called Arizona for Biden already) said they did so because the remaining Maricopa votes are mail-in ballots that are expected to skew heavily towards Biden. Not sure what the delay in Arizona is or when we'll start getting results, but if we can get the remaining Maricopa votes in, that should tell us whether or not Trump really might pull it out there. The info I've seen has said that the uncounted ballots are early ballots, which I could see people assuming are mail ballots but it was not specified. Who knows at this point 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, DCOrange said: It's really odd because it seems like some sources believe the remaining votes are election day votes while others are saying it's mail in votes. I don't know how we can't at least know that information. The Associated Press for example (who called Arizona for Biden already) said they did so because the remaining Maricopa votes are mail-in ballots that are expected to skew heavily towards Biden. Not sure what the delay in Arizona is or when we'll start getting results, but if we can get the remaining Maricopa votes in, that should tell us whether or not Trump really might pull it out there. yea i keep seeing it both ways. he's only down 8,000 votes in nevada and maybe 300k more to count? razor thin. do we know what counties the ballots are from there? if it's clark trump will lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Just now, aristocrat said: yea i keep seeing it both ways. he's only down 8,000 votes in nevada and maybe 300k more to count? razor thin. do we know what counties the ballots are from there? if it's clark trump will lose. Most are early ballots from Clark County. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: yea i keep seeing it both ways. he's only down 8,000 votes in nevada and maybe 300k more to count? razor thin. do we know what counties the ballots are from there? if it's clark trump will lose. The majority of remaining votes in NV are Clark County. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, aristocrat said: yea i keep seeing it both ways. he's only down 8,000 votes in nevada and maybe 300k more to count? razor thin. do we know what counties the ballots are from there? if it's clark trump will lose. 270towin has current odds on each outstanding state. Trump is favored in Alaska, Georgia, North Carolina, and Arizona which would put him at 259. Of the 4 remaining (Pennsylvania, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan) his best odds are with Pennsylvania at 30.4% which would seal it for him. Even if he eeks out Nevada, he still needs one other of PA, WI, or MI plus all the ones he's favored in to get over the hump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/1/2020 at 7:38 AM, Tiberius said: Just a note, the polls from NC look great for Biden, and that is a spike to the heart of the devil Trump Results Spread Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden NY Times/Siena* Biden 49, Trump 43 Biden +6 Florida: Trump vs. Biden St. Pete Polls Biden 49, Trump 48 Biden +1 Florida: Trump vs. Biden NY Times/Siena* Biden 47, Trump 44 Biden +3 Florida: Trump vs. Biden ABC News/Wash Post* Biden 48, Trump 50 Trump +2 Wisconsin: Trump vs. Biden NY Times/Siena* Biden 52, Trump 41 Biden +11 Arizona: Trump vs. Biden NY Times/Siena* Biden 49, Trump 43 Biden +6 Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden ABC News/Wash Post* Biden 51, Trump 44 Biden +7 New Mexico: Trump vs. Biden Albuquerque Journal Biden 54, Trump 42 Biden +12 Arizona Senate - McSally vs. Kelly NY Times/Siena Kelly 50, McSally 43 Kelly +7 New Mexico Senate - Ronchetti vs. Lujan Albuquerque Journal* Lujan 52, Ronchetti 44 Lujan +8 Those polls were off by quite a bit. Biden +11 in Wisconsin? He's leading by 20,000 votes and the state hasn't been called. Florida? Pennsylvania Biden +7? Were they rolling dice to get their numbers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: 270towin has current odds on each outstanding state. Trump is favored in Alaska, Georgia, North Carolina, and Arizona which would put him at 259. Of the 4 remaining (Pennsylvania, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan) his best odds are with Pennsylvania at 30.4% which would seal it for him. Even if he eeks out Nevada, he still needs one other of PA, WI, or MI plus all the ones he's favored in to get over the hump. wow you're right. if he takes zona holy ***** tomorrow is gonna be a bananas day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, snafu said: Those polls were off by quite a bit. Biden +11 in Wisconsin? He's leading by 20,000 votes and the state hasn't been called. Florida? Pennsylvania Biden +7? Were they rolling dice to get their numbers? Wisconsin was just called. Only 300 votes not processed. Trump lost that one. What's next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: Let the Dems and GOP cater to their most radical supporters and let someone else run a campaign straight down the middle on responsible spending and letting people do whatever the hell they want with social issues. Meet the Libertarian Party - socially liberal and fiscally conservative! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Plano said: Wisconsin was just called. Only 300 votes not processed. Trump lost that one. What's next? Michigan also seems like it's going Biden. Only Dem strongholds with vote remaining. If Arizona goes Dem tonight it's over. Edited November 4, 2020 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Plano said: Wisconsin was just called. Only 300 votes not processed. Trump lost that one. What's next? Who called it? I don't see it on AP. What's next? Biden President after some legal B.S. moves from Republicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, snafu said: Who called it? I don't see it on AP. What's next? Biden President after some legal B.S. moves from Republicans. CNN, according to the shoutbox. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: CNN, according to the shoutbox. AP just did, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Trump's asking for a Wisconson recount. He's down about 20,000 and when they did a recount in 2016 there were plus 131 for Trump on the recount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, Plano said: Wisconsin was just called. Only 300 votes not processed. Trump lost that one. What's next? BS, both Wisconsin and Michigan miraculously found over 130,000 votes each at 4am nearly 100% of said ballots, all of them were Biden votes, yeah I don't think so. This obvious ballot fraud/tampering will not go unchallenged. Trump will win Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania and when it's done and said Michigan and Wisconsin will be red also. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Big Gun said: BS, both Wisconsin and Michigan miraculously found over 130,000 votes each at 4am nearly 100% of said ballots, all of them were Biden votes, yeah I don't think so. This obvious ballot fraud/tampering will not go unchallenged. Trump will win Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania and when it's done and said Michigan and Wisconsin will be red also. Nah, Michigan was an error and it was corrected at 5:14 am 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Big Gun said: BS, both Wisconsin and Michigan miraculously found over 130,000 votes each at 4am nearly 100% of said ballots, all of them were Biden votes, yeah I don't think so. This obvious ballot fraud/tampering will not go unchallenged. link??? (because this is not true) Edited November 4, 2020 by Crayola64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Big Gun said: BS, both Wisconsin and Michigan miraculously found over 130,000 votes each at 4am nearly 100% of said ballots, all of them were Biden votes, yeah I don't think so. This obvious ballot fraud/tampering will not go unchallenged. Trump will win Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania and when it's done and said Michigan and Wisconsin will be red also. Fake news. The guy who claimed this about Michigan retracted what he said after being shown it was wrong. And they didn't "find" any ballots. They've been sitting at polling sites waiting to be counted. The rules, as dictated by the Republicans at the state level was that mail in ballots couldn't be counted until the in person ballots were all recorded. As a result, there were huge collections of Dem votes added late into the night, which was expected because all polling said the Dems were going to overwhelmingly vote by mail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: link??? (because this is not true) all over the news everywhere open your ears and listen to something other than main stream media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, Big Gun said: BS, both Wisconsin and Michigan miraculously found over 130,000 votes each at 4am nearly 100% of said ballots, all of them were Biden votes, yeah I don't think so. This obvious ballot fraud/tampering will not go unchallenged. Trump will win Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania and when it's done and said Michigan and Wisconsin will be red also. cry more and also punch yourself for spreading lies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: the one thing going trumps way would be that the mail ins are already counted so he could in fact have an advantage. Are these votes still OK to count? Just not the ones in Michigan and Pennsylvania? Asking for a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Plano said: cry more and also punch yourself for spreading lies ABC Site took Arizona off "Biden". 17 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Trump's asking for a Wisconson recount. He's down about 20,000 and when they did a recount in 2016 there were plus 131 for Trump on the recount. I hear you, when it is said and done, Wisconsin will stay blue, but this year can't compare to 2016, just based on logistics of early and mail-in votes. 20,000 is a lot to overcome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share Posted November 4, 2020 37 minutes ago, snafu said: Those polls were off by quite a bit. Biden +11 in Wisconsin? He's leading by 20,000 votes and the state hasn't been called. Florida? Pennsylvania Biden +7? Were they rolling dice to get their numbers? For sure there is a problem with the polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 polls are not wrong. they asked questions, people answered, they reported it. what is wrong is extrapolating with any certainty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, snafu said: ABC Site took Arizona off "Biden". I hear you, when it is said and done, Wisconsin will stay blue, but this year can't compare to 2016, just based on logistics of early and mail-in votes. 20,000 is a lot to overcome. I've found that the AP Map has been the most accurate thus far. How about you? I also found that Fox News had really good coverage last night, compared between a few others, CNN, MSNBC, ABC etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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