Another Bills reporter trying to make himself the story

[GunnerBill]

33 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

To be fair, he was first put on the spot by a reporter. And you could arguably say the same thing about any athlete who voices any thoughts/opinions as to issues outside of their professions--and I'm not saying that's a bad thing mind you, just that when he prefaced what he said with, "I think..." it immediately becomes clear that's an opinion coming. In his case yes, faith-based according to what he said. A free society must be able to engage itself with opinions of all kinds. I respect your right to have one, as much as I know that you do for anyone else posting here.        

 

Sure. And I respect and defend his right to have one too. But when he uses it to answer a question like this then he has to acknowledge that people who don't share his world view are going to perceive that as a cop out. 

[SCBills]

It’s a shame that BLM, the organization, used that phrase because I believe that we truly need to say “Black Lives Matter”.   The movement is justified.  
 

However, BLM, the organization is a political movement, not a social one - they provide cover to those who want to push back on a lot of what has, justifiably, been brought to light in terms of racial injustice.  
 

It’s a conflation between a movement and a political organization, and it’s unfortunate. 

[FireChans]

4 hours ago, Buftex said:

So FireChans, you are playing along with making him the story?

Yeah, when I post that Hitler was a bad guy, I'm basically giving him free publicity huh

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Yeah, when I post that Hitler was a bad guy, I'm basically giving him free publicity huh

 

Ja

[GunnerBill]

33 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

Actually people are, but by a very small amount, not the wide margin you imagine.  A big part of your relationship with God is how you express it through your love of people.

 

He's also mentioned he's started to see things in a new light with all the conversations he's had and perhaps he'd like to do more listening and gathering of information instead of  opinionating.  What's wrong with that? 

 

I don't have a relationship with God. And it isn't my job to understand the basis for Jake's. 

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Quit putting all "people of color" in a box.  Not every African American believes in these ideas.  Not even close.

Would you like to know what the black cop at my church thinks of BLM?  My last response was pretty tame considered to what he would say.

 

I don't need any news station to tell me what BLM believes.  It's on their website.  

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

 

This was exactly my original point, and why civil discourse has literally become impossible.

If you believe taking the police out of minority communities is going to save black lives, I think your absolutely and positively nuts.  It goes against common sense, and every imaginable crime statistic the FBI can assemble. 

 

 

I have no idea what you are talking about.  It’s like you are purposely missing the point.  I have never gone to a website to get my information about BLM.  Most people I know are just about raising awareness to issues that are affecting people of color.  The far majority of people think it is idiotic to defund the police but rather reform and train better and hold bad cops accountable . 
 

why is racial equality a thing some people try so hard to fight? 

[MJS]

4 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

*****! We need Football way more than I thought we did!

 

 I don't. None of it. That insane crap is the true root of ALL evil. The most sublime part being one doesn’t even have to believe. Just say you do and half the people forgive anything you say or do. Ridiculous. Sky fairies... ?‍♂️ YEEEESH!

 

When does the season start?

Can you see why it might be insensitive and bigoted to say that? You are saying that people's religion is "insane" and the "root of all evil". I think that's wildly inappropriate and intolerant.

[GunnerBill]

34 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

 

This is the new normal.  If I am in a crowded room I just mention the G-word and voila.... lots of personal space.

 

I'd have no problem with the G word. My best friend is a devout as they come. It is when people immediately reach for it when faced with serious questions about how society operates. When that happens I reserve the right to question motives.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

Can you see why it might be insensitive and bigoted to say that? You are saying that people's religion is "insane" and the "root of all evil". I think that's wildly inappropriate and intolerant.

I mean a lot of people have killed people because of religion.  There are a lot of fake religious people.  Why are guys like Osmond becoming rich off God?

 

and I love God but for some people, it absolutely makes them crazy.  

[GaryPinC]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't have a relationship with God. And it isn't my job to understand the basis for Jake's. 

Sure.  You are making a big deal about 1. God ------------------->  2. People and I am just trying to help you understand that's really not how it works for most of us who are religious, I feel it is a misconception on your part.   You generally seem open minded and have been respectful and that is always worth a shot to increase understanding.

[IDBillzFan]

5 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

The most sublime part being one doesn’t even have to believe. Just say you do and half the people forgive anything you say or do. Ridiculous. Sky fairies... ?‍♂️ YEEEESH!

 

We'll probably get this thread moved, but what you wrote is mostly untrue. You DO need to believe, with all your heart and all your soul. Romans 10:9 says "if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

 

A true Christian knows that lying to people and saying you believe in order to receive their forgiveness doesn't escape what God knows to truly be in your heart.

 

Anyway...Go Bills. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

Can you see why it might be insensitive and bigoted to say that? You are saying that people's religion is "insane" and the "root of all evil". I think that's wildly inappropriate and intolerant.

 

I am entitled to my view on someone's religion. But they are also entitled to their belief. However, when it gets thrust into a debate such as this by that individual then questions will be asked about how appropriate that is. 

[MJS]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean a lot of people have killed people because of religion.  There are a lot of fake religious people.  Why are guys like Osmond becoming rich off God?

 

and I love God but for some people, it absolutely makes them crazy.  

People kill people for lots of reasons, including religion. But 99% of people aren't crazy zealots. We don't need to throw everyone into the same bucket and make blanketed, bigoted remarks about huge groups of people.

[Green Lightning]

4 hours ago, Dragoon said:

Im sick of cancel culture and we all need to stand up to it. 

+1. Let's all take purity tests, and when we all fail,  STFU.

[IDBillzFan]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd have no problem with the G word. My best friend is a devout as they come. It is when people immediately reach for it when faced with serious questions about how society operates. When that happens I reserve the right to question motives.

 

Your best friend will no doubt tell you that all true believers are to immediately turn to God first for everything...good and bad, wins and losses, joys and sufferings. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

Sure.  You are making a big deal about 1. God ------------------->  2. People and I am just trying to help you understand that's really not how it works for most of us who are religious, I feel it is a misconception on your part.   You generally seem open minded and have been respectful and that is always worth a shot to increase understanding.

 

I get it. I do, and I appreciate your explanation. But it isn't my job to interpret his religion when he thrusts it into the public discourse. 

[MJS]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

I am entitled to my view on someone's religion. But they are also entitled to their belief. However, when it gets thrust into a debate such as this by that individual then questions will be asked about how appropriate that is. 

People having differing views are great. But saying someone's belief system is "insane" and the "root of all evil" crosses a line. That is as bigoted as bigotry gets.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, IDBillzFan said:

 

Your best friend will no doubt tell you that all true believers are to immediately turn to God first for everything...good and bad, wins and losses, joys and sufferings. 

 

Fine. But then don't expect everyone else to just accept that is the answer. In this context it is a cop out. 

1 minute ago, MJS said:

People having differing views are great. But saying someone's belief system is "insane" and the "root of all evil" crosses a line. That is as bigoted as bigotry gets.

 

I think "root of all evil" is unfair. But it was Jake Fromm who put God in this conversation. Not Chandler..

[MJS]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think "root of all evil" is unfair. But it was Jake Fromm who put God in this conversation. Not Chandler..

Ok, so if someone mentions anything that gives us the right to say whatever we want about it? If someone brings up BLM that means people are allowed to make racist, bigoted, and insensitive remarks about black people and they are justified?

[GunnerBill]

Just now, MJS said:

Ok, so if someone mentions anything that gives us the right to say whatever we want about it? If someone brings up BLM that means people are allowed to make racist, bigoted, and insensitive remarks about black people and they are justified?

 

No I didn't say that. Indeed, I said the opposite. "Root of all evil" is in my view an inappropriate thing to say. 

[Dragoon]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

 

This morning, I was listening to a talk show.  The two hosts were suggesting this country has reached a tipping point, where we are completely beyond civil discourse.  The two political/cultural sides are so far apart, it's hard to believe we can ever find common ground.  

 

I mean... we have reached the place where phrases like "All Lives Matter" and "Love God, Love People" are considered hateful and disrespectful.  

 

 

I agree with the radio hosts. I believe bad things are a comin. 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He literally said only elite whites should be able to buy guns and there has been a whole social movement going on.

 

You realize he doesn't actually hold that opinion, right? He was joking with a friend. I have made worse jokes than that. I guarantee every person in this thread could lose their job over something they've said in private at one point or another.

 

This is where people have a legitimate gripe with the way media reports things. Everyone reported the story as "Fromm says only white people should have guns." That is total nonsense. In context he was jokingly referring to himself as an elite white guy. I hate that I even have to explain this. I feel bad for Fromm. He didn't do anything wrong. Someone petty decided to try to ruin his career. That is 100 times worse than what he did.

Edited August 7, 2020 by HappyDays

[Dragoon]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Who is getting canceled?  A fifth round pick with a weak arm is goOmg to camp after saying elite whites are the only ones who Should have guns.  He gave a generic apology and literally nothing Of consequence happen to him.  

What consequence would you have from

him? Your statement kinda seems like virtue signaling to me. 
 

 

[mjt328]

10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I have no idea what you are talking about.  It’s like you are purposely missing the point.  I have never gone to a website to get my information about BLM.  Most people I know are just about raising awareness to issues that are affecting people of color.  The far majority of people think it is idiotic to defund the police but rather reform and train better and hold bad cops accountable . 
 

why is racial equality a thing some people try so hard to fight? 

 

Unbelievable. 

 

The website link I posted is the OFFICIAL MISSION STATEMENT for Black Lives Matter.  It is not just some website.  It is the official BLM website.

You are blindly supporting an organization without reading what it believes.

If you think it is idiotic to de-fund the police (we finally agree), then you are disagreeing with the very organization that you DEMAND people agree with!!!!!!!!!

 

I'm 100% for racial equality.  I do not believe BLM stands for racial equality.  I actually believe their ideas are damaging and destructive to the black community.

- I believe that in order to save more black lives, we need to stand-up for police who are doing their jobs right.  Not demonize them and defund them.

- I believe that in order to save more black lives, we need to take drug dealers and criminals off the street.  Not make it easier for them to commit crimes.

- I believe that in order to save more black lives, we need to promote the nuclear family and fatherhood.

- I believe that in order to save more black lives, we need to promote traditional Christian values, reject Marxism and socialism, and reject this idea that minorities cannot succeed in American society.

 

All of these ideas are completely opposite of BLM.

 

 

[Jauronimo]

16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Sure. And I respect and defend his right to have one too. But when he uses it to answer a question like this then he has to acknowledge that people who don't share his world view are going to perceive that as a cop out. 

I am getting concerned that those who DO share Fromm's worldview (or what they think his worldview is based on his brief comments) cannot admit he copped out and even after he said he wasn't going to answer the question.  They have equated any questioning of his response to an attack on his religion.  If you say anything that can be construed as scripture I guess we all lose our right to criticize lest commit heresy. 

[flomoe]

4 hours ago, eball said:

Eh, I think Fromm’s response was questionable also. Why not just say we need to love all people equally? He makes it sound as though the only people capable of this have to be Jesus freaks first. 

Loving people equally as a response didn’t work out so well for Brees. He’s still apologizing because the world has turned upside down and backwards

[Jauronimo]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

You realize he doesn't actually hold that opinion, right? He was joking with a friend. I have made worse jokes than that. I guarantee every person in this thread could lose their job over something they've said in private at one point or another.

 

This is where people have a legitimate gripe with the way media reports things. Everyone reported the story as "Fromm says only white people should have guns." That is total nonsense. In context he was jokingly referring to himself as an elite white guy. I hate that I even have to explain this. I feel bad for Fromm. He didn't do anything wrong. Someone petty decided to try to ruin his career. That is 100 times worse than what he did.

If my texts were revealed to the public I would jobless, homeless, and likely deported.

[Dragoon]

Just now, flomoe said:

Loving people equally as a response didn’t work out so well for Brees. He’s still apologizing because the world has turned upside down and backwards

Brees is a coward for apologizing. Shoulda said “suck my footballs” and his merchandise sales woulda gone through the roof. 

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

If my texts were revealed to the public I would jobless, homeless, and likely deported.

Me too. That’s why when it comes to this crap, I AM SPARTACUS! You wanna come after somebody, come after me. 

[Chandler#81]

 

 

[Jauronimo]

5 minutes ago, flomoe said:

Loving people equally as a response didn’t work out so well for Brees. He’s still apologizing because the world has turned upside down and backwards

Brees dodged a question and then wrapped himself in the flag.  Similarly to the Fromm situation, people were quick to change the story and focus on any criticism of Brees' comments as anti-flag and anti-american rather than accept that people were dissatisfied with him for avoiding the real question.  

 

There is a power in deflecting and then waving the flag or your religion.  

Edited August 7, 2020 by Jauronimo

[TwistofFate]

Leave the kid alone already.  It's done, over with, and everyone has moved on...except this sleazy reporter. 

[RaoulDuke79]

1 minute ago, TwistofFate said:

Leave the kid alone already.  It's done, over with, and everyone has moved on...except this sleazy reporter. 

There's definitely an agenda.

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Brees dodged a question and then wrapped himself in the flag.  Similarly to the Fromm situation, people were quick to label any criticism of Brees' comments as anti-flag and anti-american.  

 

There is a power in deflecting and then waving the flag or your religion.  

If I was in the public spotlight I would certainly deflect any question that has anything to do with race, religion, politics, etc. And I'm sure I would be attacked for that, but oh well. It's not the world's business what my personal opinions are on those things.

[Buftex]

31 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yeah, when I post that Hitler was a bad guy, I'm basically giving him free publicity huh

No...I would have figured Hitler out for myself.  I never would have seen the tweet of this "NFL Reporter" if you hadn't posted it...I suspect others wouldn't have either.  No big deal, and sorry, i wasn't trying to criticize you...just in this day and age, it is the re-tweets and shares that cause silly things like this to blow up. It's a lesson I have to remind myself of sometimes too.  

[Bangarang]

MLJ is usually a solid reporter so I’m not sure why he’s trying to stoke the fire again.

Edited August 7, 2020 by Bangarang

[Sig1Hunter]

11 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

If my texts were revealed to the public I would jobless, homeless, and likely deported.

You aren’t a citizen??

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

If I was in the public spotlight I would certainly deflect any question that has anything to do with race, religion, politics, etc. And I'm sure I would be attacked for that, but oh well. It's not the world's business what my personal opinions are on those things.

 

Completely agree. Which is yet another reason why I, like you, would not choose to hide behind that if in the public eye.

[Buftex]

14 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Unbelievable. 

 

The website link I posted is the OFFICIAL MISSION STATEMENT for Black Lives Matter.  It is not just some website.  It is the official BLM website.

You are blindly supporting an organization without reading what it believes.

If you think it is idiotic to de-fund the police (we finally agree), then you are disagreeing with the very organization that you DEMAND people agree with!!!!!!!!!

 

I'm 100% for racial equality.  I do not believe BLM stands for racial equality.  I actually believe their ideas are damaging and destructive to the black community.

- I believe that in order to save more black lives, we need to stand-up for police who are doing their jobs right.  Not demonize them and defund them.

- I believe that in order to save more black lives, we need to take drug dealers and criminals off the street.  Not make it easier for them to commit crimes.

- I believe that in order to save more black lives, we need to promote the nuclear family and fatherhood.

- I believe that in order to save more black lives, we need to promote traditional Christian values, reject Marxism and socialism, and reject this idea that minorities cannot succeed in American society.

 

All of these ideas are completely opposite of BLM.

 

 

I think the term "de-fund the police" is a terrible choice of messaging...but I don't think it means what most think it means.

[RaoulDuke79]

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

If I was in the public spotlight I would certainly deflect any question that has anything to do with race, religion, politics, etc. And I'm sure I would be attacked for that, but oh well. It's not the world's business what my personal opinions are on those things.

You got that right. Suddenly the robot Belichick interviews make more sense.

[Poleshifter]

4 hours ago, eball said:

Eh, I think Fromm’s response was questionable also. Why not just say we need to love all people equally? He makes it sound as though the only people capable of this have to be Jesus freaks first. 

Good God, you mean because Fromm failed to use the word "equally" you are still going to give him bull$$it for his remarks?

 

eball, you have a weird interpretation of words.