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5 minutes ago, Process said:

2 first round picks + for a safety is absolutely absurd

 

Seattle should be loading up around Wilson while he is still in his prime to go for another SB run. How about they actually give him a decent OL for once?

 

A S is not going to move the needle for them I dont care how good he is. 

 

2 second round picks+ for a safety in the last year of his contract would still be absurd. Especially one that was asking to be the highest paid player on the team (more than Mosley's $17M/yr). Try negotiating that next contract after all the leverage he has now. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, njbuff said:

The Jets are clueless when it comes to drafting anyways, so Seattle won't pay that heavy of a price off the surface.

 

But on the surface...............

 

How the F do you give up two first rounders for a freaking safety. It's not that Adams is Ronnie Lott in his prime or something.

He’s elite, the best safety in football. He’s good in coverage and in the box. You can build your entire defense around him. He gave up 4.5 yards per target and had 47 QB pressures. Adams is different. He’s not getting nearly enough credit on here for how good he really is. The Jets obviously got a big return but that’s the cost for a superstar. 

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:lol: Stupid trade by Seattle to give up that much for Adams. Nice haul by the Jets though, but if they miss on the draft picks they're useless. It weakens that defense this year for sure though, which helps us in return. 

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Jets made out like bandits. Adams is great but .... TWO career interceptions / disgruntled / looking for a brinks truck / final year of rookie deal. 

 

silver lining 1 - clearly jets are worse in the short term and lose another year when Darnold is signed for cheap. And JA / Diggs says thanks to Joe Douglas

 

silver lining 2 - Gase is firmly in control for the next few years since Jets are in rebuilding mode

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For those saying that this is a stupid trade for the Seahawks... I'm shocked.

 

Jamal Adams was drafted 6th overall and actually lived up to the hype.

You're shocked that the 6th overall pick is worth two late first round picks and a third?

 

It's a fair trade for both sides and I'm happy to see Adams gone from the division.

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3 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

For those saying that this is a stupid trade for the Seahawks... I'm shocked.

 

Jamal Adams was drafted 6th overall and actually lived up to the hype.

You're shocked that the 6th overall pick is worth two late first round picks and a third?

 

It's a fair trade for both sides and I'm happy to see Adams gone from the division.

It's a ton for a safety no matter how good

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6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s elite, the best safety in football. He’s good in coverage and in the box. You can build your entire defense around him. He gave up 4.5 yards per target and had 47 QB pressures. Adams is different. He’s not getting nearly enough credit on here for how good he really is. The Jets obviously got a big return but that’s the cost for a superstar. 

 

I don't know Kirby, a safety doesn't move the needle that much.

 

Make no question about it, he will help Seattle big time, but is it enough to get them over the top? And at their cost?

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Found a great article if you want to see just how dysfunctional the Jets organization has become:

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jamal-adams-trade-joe-douglas-contract-extension-20200724-vc6zwwpmjrepjii67hojt2t5ri-story.html

 

Honestly, it reminds me of the past 20 years as a Bills fan before McDermott and Beane got here.

If you're ever feeling like you "want a change" and don't like our front office, try to remember how different it was before they got here.

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5 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:


Interesting...

Bills/Jets - Split 

 

Jets lost to

Patriots (x2), Browns, Eagles, Ravens

Bills lost to

Patriots (x2), Browns, Eagles, Ravens

 

Jets beat

Giants, Dolphins, Dallas, Washington, Steelers, AFC WEST OPPONENT

Bills beat

Giants, Dolphins, Dallas, Washington, Steelers, AFC WEST OPPONENT


Buffalo was able to separate over beating Dolphins, Bengals, AFC SOUTH OPPONENT.

 

Jets lost to Dolphins, Bengals, AFC SOUTH OPPONENT.

 

 


Interesting information here.  Of course the Bills lost to the Jets playing backups but the two teams look closer that most Bills fans realize.  Almost every NFL game seems to come down to a just a few plays that separate the winners and losers.  

8 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Adams leaving is good for us and Gase is still there so that’s good for us too. What part of this is terrible?


Sarcasm was intended.  

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2 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:


Interesting information here.  Of course the Bills lost to the Jets playing backups but the two teams look closer that most Bills fans realize.  Almost every NFL game seems to come down to a just a few plays that separate the winners and losers.  


Just a few plays...

 

in the 3 games difference between Buffalo beating Dolphins, Bengals, Titans.

 

- Fitz threw a goal line INT

- Dalton threw a game ending INT on potential game winning drive

- Titans had 2 Touchdowns called back and 4 missed field goals.

 

7 plays difference between 10-6 and 7-9.  

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20 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

They might want to take into account Metcalf/Lockett/Olsen...

Metcalf and Lockett combined for right around 2,000 yards and 17 TDs. I don’t think Seattle is even a little concerned about their weapons if that’s what you are implying. If not, I apologize for missing the point.

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58 minutes ago, FluffHead said:
Jets get a haul in this deal.  I would not give up that much for a safety 

 

 

 

 

WOW!  Amazing move by the Jets!  

 

Seattle is crazy giving up that kind of value for a Safety.  WTF Pete?? lol

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16 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

I don't know Kirby, a safety doesn't move the needle that much.

 

Make no question about it, he will help Seattle big time, but is it enough to get them over the top? And at their cost?

Maybe

 

Mathieu moves the needle in KC. In today’s “hybrid” NFL (and NBA) versatility is king. It allows teams to give multiple looks without having to go to small or big. It used to be “you do this” or “you do that“ and teams could adjust based on who was out there. Adams can play in the box as a high end LB or in coverage as a high end safety. He’s not “in the box” or “ballhawk.” He’s both. Versatility is king in 2020. 
 

On a side note that’s one of the most underrated aspects of the Bills D. Hyde and Poyer are completely interchangeable. 

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2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Maybe

 

Mathieu moves the needle in KC. In today’s “hybrid” NFL (and NBA) versatility is king. It allows teams to give multiple looks without having to go to small or big. It used to be “you do this” or “you do that“ and teams could adjust based on who was out there. Adams can play in the box as a high end LB or in coverage as a high end safety. He’s not “in the box” or “ballhawk.” He’s both. Versatility is king in 2020. 
 

On a side note that’s one of the most underrated aspects of the Bills D. Hyde and Poyer are completely interchangeable. 

Adams is also a superstar. Were the Seahawks going to draft a superstar next year at pick 27? Wilson isn’t old but he may not play til 40.

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7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Maybe

 

Mathieu moves the needle in KC. In today’s “hybrid” NFL (and NBA) versatility is king. It allows teams to give multiple looks without having to go to small or big. It used to be “you do this” or “you do that“ and teams could adjust based on who was out there. Adams can play in the box as a high end LB or in coverage as a high end safety. He’s not “in the box” or “ballhawk.” He’s both. Versatility is king in 2020. 
 

On a side note that’s one of the most underrated aspects of the Bills D. Hyde and Poyer are completely interchangeable. 

 

Yes, when they are tackling well. ?

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9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Adams is also a superstar. Were the Seahawks going to draft a superstar next year at pick 27? Wilson isn’t old but he may not play til 40.

Based on the draft value chart if you combine all of the picks that Seattle gave up it is about the equivalent of the 8th overall pick (assuming they pick where they did this year). If you drafted Jamal Adams at 8 overall you’d pop champagne.

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3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Based on the draft value chart if you combine all of the picks that Seattle gave up it is about the equivalent of the 8th overall pick (assuming they pick where they did this year). If you drafted Jamal Adams at 8 overall you’d pop champagne.

What about if you drafted him at 6?

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The more I think about it, the more I see it as a good trade for both teams.

 

For the Jets, they get two 1sts and a replacement safety in exchange for a player that clearly wasn’t going to re-sign with them.

 

For the Seahawks, they give up essentially two late 1sts — one of which is in what will surely be a bizarre draft next year — for an elite defensive player whose leadership and work ethic will be huge for their young, rebuilt defense.

 

The Jets needed to get rid of a guy that had become a headache for them (by their own doing), the Hawks needed to strike now in their championship window and bolster a defensive unit that sees the Rams, Cards, and 49ers twice each season.

 

Win-win.

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Just now, Logic said:

The more I think about it, the more I see it as a good trade for both teams.

 

For the Jets, they get two 1sts and a replacement safety in exchange for a player that clearly wasn’t going to re-sign with them.

 

For the Seahawks, they give up essentially two late 1sts — one of which is in what will surely be a bizarre draft next year — for an elite defensive player whose leadership and work ethic will be huge for their young, rebuilt defense.

 

The Jets needed to get rid of a guy that had become a headache for them (by their own doing), the Hawks needed to strike now in their championship window and bolster a defensive unit that sees the Rams, Cards, and 49ers twice each season.

 

Win-win.

This is exactly my take. Good post.

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20 minutes ago, Logic said:

The more I think about it, the more I see it as a good trade for both teams.

 

For the Jets, they get two 1sts and a replacement safety in exchange for a player that clearly wasn’t going to re-sign with them.

 

For the Seahawks, they give up essentially two late 1sts — one of which is in what will surely be a bizarre draft next year — for an elite defensive player whose leadership and work ethic will be huge for their young, rebuilt defense.

 

The Jets needed to get rid of a guy that had become a headache for them (by their own doing), the Hawks needed to strike now in their championship window and bolster a defensive unit that sees the Rams, Cards, and 49ers twice each season.

 

Win-win.

 

 

Whose what?

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44 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

That’s a ridiculously weak argument. 

Like I’ve said... the Bills had a ridiculously easy schedule last season and beat no one.

Defense rests?

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Metcalf and Lockett combined for right around 2,000 yards and 17 TDs. I don’t think Seattle is even a little concerned about their weapons if that’s what you are implying. If not, I apologize for missing the point.

No, more that they pale in comparison to KC which was the team the post I responded to mentioned.

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18 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Defense rests?

No, more that they pale in comparison to KC which was the team the post I responded to mentioned.

I don’t disagree there. The top of their depth chart is good. Their depth isn’t even okay. That changes drastically though if they add AB and he’s semi-coherent (which is unlikely).

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2 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:


Just a few plays...

 

in the 3 games difference between Buffalo beating Dolphins, Bengals, Titans.

 

- Fitz threw a goal line INT

- Dalton threw a game ending INT on potential game winning drive

- Titans had 2 Touchdowns called back and 4 missed field goals.

 

7 plays difference between 10-6 and 7-9.  

 

Now do three-plays difference between 10-6 and 13-3.

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6 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Now do three-plays difference between 10-6 and 13-3.

Definitely harder to in Buffalos case.  Considering...

 

Hausch makes that kick in Cleveland it only goes to OT

same with Allen hitting the Touchdowns against the Ravens or Patriots only guarantee Overtime.

 

so that’s about 20-30 more plays needed to get buffalo to 13-3.  Scoring in those overtime’s and or stopping the opponent from also scoring.

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2 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Definitely harder to in Buffalos case.  Considering...

 

Hausch makes that kick in Cleveland it only goes to OT

same with Allen hitting the Touchdowns against the Ravens or Patriots only guarantee Overtime.

 

so that’s about 20-30 more plays needed to get buffalo to 13-3.  Scoring in those overtime’s and or stopping the opponent from also scoring.

 

That's why I figured. 

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11 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Now do three-plays difference between 10-6 and 13-3.

 

Just now, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Definitely harder to in Buffalos case.  Considering...

 

Hausch makes that kick in Cleveland it only goes to OT

same with Allen hitting the Touchdowns against the Ravens or Patriots only guarantee Overtime.

 

so that’s about 20-30 more plays needed to get buffalo to 13-3.  Scoring in those overtime’s and or stopping the opponent from also scoring.

Ravens TD on busted coverage

 

and lmfao we lost the Texans game on a fluke bad blindside block call

 

 

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Just now, ScottLaw said:

You realize you can do that to every single team in the league?

 

Thats like saying if Pat Mahomes wasn’t good the Chiefs wouldn’t have scored so many touchdowns.??

Go back and read what we were talking about. No need to apologize after either...maybe just think before typing.

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On 7/25/2020 at 6:25 PM, ScottLaw said:

That’s a ridiculously weak argument. 

Like I’ve said... the Bills had a ridiculously easy schedule last season and beat no one.

We need to be scoring in the high 20's every week.  We do that we should be in the 12-4 range when the dust settles.  With the roster we have that is doable.  But the big ? is still our leader Josh Allen.  He has to make more plays every week.  Simple as that.  

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